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06-14-2018 , 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
H3. You flop nothing 3 way on a board that smashes their flatting ranges, which should mean a simple xf, yet as usual you seem to think its a great spot to try and bluff and deservedly punt your stack off. WP lolz. Fold pre also. Is it really that hard to xf flops?
Lol what hands are smashing that board? Hero has way more aa kk ak aq aj and more a8s 88, getting all the chips in here is extremely incentivised, and hero had good backdoors, this is standard play
06-14-2018 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerforumposter
Lol what hands are smashing that board? Hero has way more aa kk ak aq aj and more a8s 88, getting all the chips in here is extremely incentivised, and hero had good backdoors, this is standard play
All the Kx Ax combos that flat on bu and bb which is exactly what bu had. Hero has more nutted hands but in this spot thats not relevant which is why gto wise its 100% flop check, so that should tell you how horrible cbetting 3 way was. Smart players pick optimal spots to bluff, and this was not it.
06-14-2018 , 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JYamada
And the best players in the world consider Juan pastor a fishreg (not a troll and this is coming from a top hsnl reg not me) due to his weird limping strat which could lead to really weird unorthodox lines postflop..seen him really chop up some hands from friends that have played with him..i think u should ditch this limping strategy especially considering the high rake that a lot of sites implement..just go for the raise man..why not give yourself a chance to just take down the pot preflop rather than playing oop and not have a really defined range..gl and c u at the tables
Dont think he worries about being called a "fishreg" when he is beating 500z for 5evbb/100
06-14-2018 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
All the Kx Ax combos that flat on bu and bb which is exactly what bu had. Hero has more nutted hands but in this spot thats not relevant which is why gto wise its 100% flop check, so that should tell you how horrible cbetting 3 way was. Smart players pick optimal spots to bluff, and this was not it.
So if its not gto its terrible? My mind has been blown ty
06-14-2018 , 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by someonegood
Dont think he worries about being called a "fishreg" when he is beating 500z for 5evbb/100
Never mind, Ymada wanted to say he knows some great players. ^^
06-14-2018 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerforumposter
So if its not gto its terrible? My mind has been blown ty
Considering your a rapidesh fanboy I doubt it takes much to blow your mind. If its not gto , you must think its exploitative to be bluffing multi way there with garbage equity. lolz
06-14-2018 , 06:50 AM
H3. Horrible

Blocking a 9 is a good thing for river follow through and unblocking a Jack/queen is also preferred because AQ/AJ are the high frequency turn calls/river folds to the overbets. You should be giving up flop with this garbage 3way
giving up river with everything except for 89/9T suited and JT suited combos without spades on the river. If you are a real hc gto fool you are obetting 22 and using some combos of that for river follow through instead of jts. on the river this is already 10 bluff combos and you have around 18 value shoving all boats and quads. 35% bluffs is already slightly too much as your 55-99 combos aren't the nuts vs his ''blufcatching'' range

You cant make these kind of range plays if your nut combos are so diluted by your opening range containing J7s lol. vs 2 people just check fold flop.

Last edited by yadrooolahCOGD; 06-14-2018 at 06:55 AM.
06-14-2018 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerforumposter
Lol what hands are smashing that board? Hero has way more aa kk ak aq aj and more a8s 88, getting all the chips in here is extremely incentivised, and hero had good backdoors, this is standard play

You are right hero can go crazy on this board and actually this board is the worst for ip and bb vs co so donnow what mirage talking about. But if he is bluffing this combo he is way overbluffing. Especially on river.
06-14-2018 , 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerforumposter
So if its not gto its terrible? My mind has been blown ty
GTO wise its one of the only 100% cbet boards oop. This is vs a single player tho...
06-14-2018 , 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by yadrooolahCOGD
GTO wise its one of the only 100% cbet boards oop. This is vs a single player tho...
Snowie mixes like 40% bet/check 25% sizing 3 way here

Edit: it prefers 50% size though and checking j7s

Last edited by pokerforumposter; 06-14-2018 at 07:23 AM.
06-14-2018 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JYamada
And the best players in the world consider Juan pastor a fishreg (not a troll and this is coming from a top hsnl reg not me) due to his weird limping strat which could lead to really weird unorthodox lines postflop..seen him really chop up some hands from friends that have played with him..i think u should ditch this limping strategy especially considering the high rake that a lot of sites implement..just go for the raise man..why not give yourself a chance to just take down the pot preflop rather than playing oop and not have a really defined range..gl and c u at the tables
His winrate at 500z is saying something different and especially his positional winrates from UTG/MP. But maybe you have Otb and Linus as friends...
06-14-2018 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
All the Kx Ax combos that flat on bu and bb which is exactly what bu had. Hero has more nutted hands but in this spot thats not relevant which is why gto wise its 100% flop check, so that should tell you how horrible cbetting 3 way was. Smart players pick optimal spots to bluff, and this was not it.
stop pretending like you have any clue what GTO is for god sake
06-14-2018 , 09:19 AM
I love this thread so much

vamoooooooo
06-14-2018 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by JYamada
And the best players in the world consider Juan pastor a fishreg (not a troll and this is coming from a top hsnl reg not me) due to his weird limping strat which could lead to really weird unorthodox lines postflop..seen him really chop up some hands from friends that have played with him..i think u should ditch this limping strategy especially considering the high rake that a lot of sites implement..just go for the raise man..why not give yourself a chance to just take down the pot preflop rather than playing oop and not have a really defined range..gl and c u at the tables
I see a lot of potential in the limping strat, its very strong imo. I dont expect it to be more effective vs good players(hs regs, as an example), but overrealize vs bad players.

So far I lost 5 bi in 3k hands with that strat, but its mostly from tilt and ******ed plays at 50z, need to control tilt a bit more to apply that strat. Tbh, in poker even if you make an ugly play that makes you look like a fish, it doesnt matter, the only important thing is if youre making money from that play.

Gl, see you at the tables, like your playstyle a lot.
06-14-2018 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by yadrooolahCOGD
GTO wise its one of the only 100% cbet boards oop. This is vs a single player tho...
its 100% flop check in gto+ with J7, which i do run some hands with when i'm curious so no idea what you are on about actually.

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You are right hero can go crazy on this board and actually this board is the worst for ip and bb vs co so donnow what mirage talking about. But if he is bluffing this combo he is way overbluffing. Especially on river.
The worst based on what? blind theory or actual practical ranges? BB and BU have Kx Ax all day there, and the fact he showed up with K9 supports this.
06-14-2018 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Kiljusieppo
H3

I would look to block the 9 and not at first place run this at nl50. Q9hh, J9hh likely way more effective combos although likely you can go abit wider than that. Dont think there is a mistake in that hand
It was an explo play, was doing it 100% vs bluffs, dont expect a weak player to defend enough TP OTT and coubterfeited 2p OTR to make my bluffs -EV


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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
Yeah that hand made me wonder how he's beating 200z? And this limping stuff just seems wtf bad.
That limping strat is just gold, man, if there were a FR ZOOM anonymous pool going on I think it could be possible to have winrates as big as 10-15bb/100, maybe even 20, given how much dead money people put after we limp, like a reg isolates with ATo, fish/regfish overcall with a lot of crap, making the squeeze insanely profitable.

Just mt theory though, in 6-max we have less room to profit from that, also on non-anonymous sites it seems way worse strat, but could see it happening.
06-14-2018 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
That limping strat is just gold, man
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
So far I lost 5 bi in 3k hands with that strat
lul
06-14-2018 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by yadrooolahCOGD
You are right hero can go crazy on this board and actually this board is the worst for ip and bb vs co so donnow what mirage talking about. But if he is bluffing this combo he is way overbluffing. Especially on river.
Have you thought about the possibility that I want to overbluff in this spot vs this exact opponent? I dont want to make his bluffcatchers breakeven, because my read was.that he wouldnt call with bluffcatchers, so I wont have 99/88 in that range. Im betting AK for a smaller sizing, trying to get calls from his TP and maybe raises from his FHs, maximizing the profit from that hand by getting exactly what they want to play us off with TP while getting all the money from k8/k9 at the same time.
06-14-2018 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
lul
Theres variance involved and I played a sub-optimal strat on BTN/CO/SB on 50z,definitely way looser than I should, and people stationed me way more than I expected. Will tigthen up a bit in there. But will play only next week, on the weeked is 200z time! Vaaaaamooooooo
06-14-2018 , 12:18 PM
Im glad poker isn't dead
06-14-2018 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
its 100% flop check in gto+ with J7, which i do run some hands with when i'm curious so no idea what you are on about actually.



The worst based on what? blind theory or actual practical ranges? BB and BU have Kx Ax all day there, and the fact he showed up with K9 supports this.
Idk what you smoking.I could go into details but i'm busy working on my button limping strategy which will revolutionize the game...
06-14-2018 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by yadrooolahCOGD
Im glad poker isn't dead
why do you think it's a bad play? Do you call A9 in there vs an unknown OTR?

His FH combos: 99, 88, K8, K9 = 18
His 3-pair combos: A9, A8, 98 = 27

18+27 = 45
27/45 = 60%
he needs to fold 60% for my play to be +EV, and I'm not even considering here some random TP, pair+flush draw hands that will fold the river.
06-14-2018 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Have you thought about the possibility that I want to overbluff in this spot vs this exact opponent? I dont want to make his bluffcatchers breakeven, because my read was.that he wouldnt call with bluffcatchers, so I wont have 99/88 in that range. Im betting AK for a smaller sizing, trying to get calls from his TP and maybe raises from his FHs, maximizing the profit from that hand by getting exactly what they want to play us off with TP while getting all the money from k8/k9 at the same time.
Sounds good man.I can get behind it vs 1 player but vs 2 it's a little too action hero mode imo.

Keep VAMO alive!

Peace
06-14-2018 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
why do you think it's a bad play? Do you call A9 in there vs an unknown OTR?

His FH combos: 99, 88, K8, K9 = 18
His 3-pair combos: A9, A8, 98 = 27

18+27 = 45
27/45 = 60%
he needs to fold 60% for my play to be +EV, and I'm not even considering here some random TP, pair+flush draw hands that will fold the river.
Naa I wasn't even talking about the hand but the fact people are actually trying to tell me the reason why this is bad is that the btn and bb have a lot of aces and Ks in range. Actually I feel like it can be good if you know villain is overcaling turn to fold river with most Ax, but just think itis a flop cf or fold pre.

VAMOOOOO
06-14-2018 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by yadrooolahCOGD
Sounds good man.I can get behind it vs 1 player but vs 2 it's a little too action hero mode imo.

Keep VAMO alive!

Peace
there's only 1 player OTT

      
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