fold, MP raises to 2 BB, CO raises to 7.5 BB, Hero raises to 20 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 12.5 BB
Flop:(43.5 BB, 2 players) 4 3 T CO checks, Hero bets 9 BB, CO raises to 71.13 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 62.13 BB
Turn:(185.75 BB, 2 players) Q
River:(185.75 BB, 2 players) J
H5: This reg is overbluffing soooo much if he is bluffing that, also I think he goes smaller with Kx or just x/c with those, such an easy spot to call OTR.
Turn:(67.9 BB, 3 players) 4 SB checks, Hero bets 77.38 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 54.54 BB and is all-in, SB calls 77.38 BB
River:(277.19 BB, 3 players) Q
H7: good fold? Imo pot sized bets OTR are very strong, but I've seen some bluffs so far. Population overfloats vs the small sizing too which makes me wanna bluffcatch more, but meh.
H8: same thing with the pot size thing, decided to call because my blockers were good and I think villain wouldn't valuebet AK for that sizing even though he should, so if he has bluffs for that sizing he would overbluff. Is this any good or should I just fold?
B3: Massive overbluff by me vs 100% overfold by villain lol, the funny thing was that he was probably induce betting with the blockers but didn't have the balls to call the 3x pot haha vaaaaamo!
B4: this one hurts my eyes so much, misread the positions pre, obv a fold pre. Would you ship OTF? tbh I think it might be the best option after we put the money pre just because some whales rarely might show up in this spot with garbage.
sizing tells are pretty reliable on iggy, don't have to make sick explo folds based on sizing alone but there's no harm in adjusting your calling range a bit when you see it.
Always calling. How can you think about folding? lmao
Cuz deviationzzzzz. Lulzzzz
Calling isnt like super high EV but folding is just pretty bad, especially when you bet < 1/2 pot and are inducing more spaz.
Rapid what's your graph look like at 200z iggy so far?
And idk why you are jumping straight into 200z on a different site. Sounds like a recipe for disaster, even if you were very good it'd be pretty wise to dabble for a while at 25z and 50z to at least get a feel of the pool
Calling isnt like super high EV but folding is just pretty bad, especially when you bet < 1/2 pot and are inducing more spaz.
Rapid what's your graph look like at 200z iggy so far?
And idk why you are jumping straight into 200z on a different site. Sounds like a recipe for disaster, even if you were very good it'd be pretty wise to dabble for a while at 25z and 50z to at least get a feel of the pool
I've played 10k hands of 50 zone before that, so far I'm running badly, but owning the pool really hard, 52.5 wwsf and 55 wsd so far and 28 wtsd. So far I'm down like 15 bi in there over 10k hands I think.
I've played 200z on stars over 90k hands in the toughest lineups it has to offer(mornings on weekdays) and 100z over almost 200k hands and didn't lose, the player pool at bodog is a joke compared to both, not sure why would it be a recipe for disaster.
The fold in there was bad indeed, it was one of those spots that I folded vs nits on stars with reads but can't fold ever vs pop on bodog.
Btw, you guys look only the bad folds but most of you would get stacked really hard by at least 2 good folds I've made in there and those are losing insane amounts compared to how much the AA call is making on average.
Last edited by Rapidesh123; 03-15-2020 at 12:11 PM.
which ones are the good folds that you made but we all get stacked by?
I don't know how you play, but most of those guys criticizing my plays would lose money on H1, B1 and B2
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Originally Posted by RyanWCollins
WWSF better indicator of owning the pool than the actual win rate?
a high wwsf and wsd combined means I'm making people fold better hands in a lot of spots they shouldn't and it's a very good indicative that I'm owning the player pool in those spots unless I'm using some very huge spews and overbets which I'm not(only in some few spots).
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
it's a flop you want to check back a lot vs BB btw, especially with Aces, as played you gotta call the raise
Good point, yeah, it's a x back with AA/KK at a very high frequency on that texture, but do you think that strat is better than to just bet and get value vs population?
Maybe x back is better vs those nick howard bots that will stab a lot when we do it, will consider doing it.
I don't know how you play, but most of those guys criticizing my plays would lose money on H1, B1 and B2
I'm not criticising your plays in those hands here, I like the B2 fold but anyone can 3b/f QQ and when you finally run into AA say "Look, I make amazing folds!"
Good point, yeah, it's a x back with AA/KK at a very high frequency on that texture, but do you think that strat is better than to just bet and get value vs population?
Maybe x back is better vs those nick howard bots that will stab a lot when we do it, will consider doing it.
yeah I believe it's better vs pretty much everyone
I've played 10k hands of 50 zone before that, so far I'm running badly, but owning the pool really hard, 52.5 wwsf and 55 wsd so far and 28 wtsd. So far I'm down like 15 bi in there over 10k hands I think.
I've played 200z on stars over 90k hands in the toughest lineups it has to offer(mornings on weekdays) and 100z over almost 200k hands and didn't lose, the player pool at bodog is a joke compared to both, not sure why would it be a recipe for disaster.
The fold in there was bad indeed, it was one of those spots that I folded vs nits on stars with reads but can't fold ever vs pop on bodog.
Btw, you guys look only the bad folds but most of you would get stacked really hard by at least 2 good folds I've made in there and those are losing insane amounts compared to how much the AA call is making on average.
I explained to you why it's a disaster. You're not accustomed to the pool at iggy. So you're going to make a lot of suboptimal plays and assuming you even win at 200z, your winrate would be far lower than if you played a while at lower stakes to get a feel for the pool.
Dropping 15BI at 50z sounds like you probably cant beat the pool atm and you havent adjusted, ot you're underestimating the pool
Idk why everyone masturbates to the stars pool, but playing at stars doesnt make you special or better than everyone else. It's pretty fishy there and the rake is pretty low. You think 200z on iggy is a joke but it isnt, as of the past couple years. Sure there are a lot of crazy fish and whales, but there are less of them now. And the regs have gotten much better than they used to be, and if youre just walking in thinking it's gonna be a walk in the park and just yolo 200 cuz "lol iggy" youre asking for a lot of trouble
And even if stars were worth something jerking off to, 90k hands at 200z and breaking even at 200k hands is nothing. Honestly ive been trying to give you solid advice for iggy cuz i know the pool well but your arrogance is insufferable and also absurd, probably going to stop
I don't know how you play, but most of those guys criticizing my plays would lose money on H1, B1 and B2
a high wwsf and wsd combined means I'm making people fold better hands in a lot of spots they shouldn't and it's a very good indicative that I'm owning the player pool in those spots unless I'm using some very huge spews and overbets which I'm not(only in some few spots).
Good point, yeah, it's a x back with AA/KK at a very high frequency on that texture, but do you think that strat is better than to just bet and get value vs population?
Maybe x back is better vs those nick howard bots that will stab a lot when we do it, will consider doing it.
Or because you have a small sample size and your WWSF hasnt truly converged, or it means youre just massively spewing against people who dont like to fold.... or both. Dude 10k hands is nothing and this is what regfish say to make themselves feel better about dropping 15BI in 10k hands. That is not normal at all. Ive played 5nl-200nl on iggy for probably a million hands and dropped that much probably just once at 200 on my biggest downer
lol 52 wwsf against players who can't fold 3rd pair to all ins. Good luck playing like that in the long run, I notice you haven't mentioned your all in ev or shown graphs for iggy. As Minatorr said, iggy pools play quite unique, and its dangerous to think its easy game just because you see whales doing wild plays. I said about 1 year ago if you ever came to zone you would get raped.