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Nah, it's a good simplification, it loses a very small amount of EV vs pio, it's easier to play and an automatic exploit vs people who stab too much. Thought you were already doing it.

You're not the only one who does this, and no it's not good.

09-03-2019 , 12:36 PM

#7352

Rapidesh123

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH

Rapid is a nice guy, and he posts on my thread and helped me a lot. I´m also aware of the huge number of trolls here and how annoying it is, but sometimes I don´t understand why he´s so defensive. Like, if he thinks he´s perfect and don´t want any criticism, why posting hands?

I don't think my plays are perfect, that's the way I discuss: I post my arguments defending my plays, if someone comes with a better argument I will change my mind and learn with it.

It looks I'm stubborn and think I'm never wrong, but I'm challenging people to prove me wrong. Ofc it goes badly when people say "that's bad" and write nothing else to make the discussion richer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clanty

This thread needs mirage back, then it's 5 stars

RIP mirage

09-03-2019 , 12:50 PM

#7353

Rapidesh123

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bbissick

You're not the only one who does this, and no it's not good.

Could you elaborate on that? Why do you think it isn't a good strat? Sure that I allow smart opponents that know what I'm doing to range x back with minimal EV loss. but I'm fine with that, I don't expect to outplay smart opponents anyways.

As an example, if I'm SB and you are BB and I range x otf and you counter that by range x back, who do you think is winning in that trade? There's an old teaching in chess that says: "whenever you're playing vs a stronger opponent, simplify as much as you can". If you're playing vs a chessmaster a draw is a victory.

09-03-2019 , 01:16 PM

#7354

PokerPhilosopher

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clanty

This thread needs mirage back, then it's 5 stars

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarbageReg (aka mirage)

lol. This thread continues to inspire. Poker is far from dead, there will never be a shortage of idiots.

I did some detective work in [Edit] Fazendeiro's [/Edit] thread. You're welcome.

09-03-2019 , 01:17 PM

#7355

tgiggity

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

As an example, if I'm SB and you are BB and I range x otf and you counter that by range x back, who do you think is winning in that trade? There's an old teaching in chess that says: "whenever you're playing vs a stronger opponent, simplify as much as you can". If you're playing vs a chessmaster a draw is a victory.

why would you counter a range check with a range check?

09-03-2019 , 01:37 PM

#7356

domir

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 383

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

Nah, it's a good simplification, it loses a very small amount of EV vs pio, it's easier to play and an automatic exploit vs people who stab too much. Thought you were already doing it.

Range check on a board where you should cbet almost range is losing a lot of EV vs pio. You should range cbet J94 bvb, not check.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tgiggity

why would you counter a range check with a range check?

You should bet v little vs much stronger range in theory if the stronger range fails to find bets

09-03-2019 , 02:17 PM

#7357

JoseMourinho

Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 847

Range checking is fine, because people play so absurdly bad against it compared to playing vs range cbet.

09-03-2019 , 02:29 PM

#7358

FazendeiroBH

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

Most of the time, ppl seem to be challenging your assumptions about the pool, not the plays per se. Since no one will share their db with you for obvious reasons, the discussion will always be a simple good play vs bad play.

09-03-2019 , 03:07 PM

#7359

Calm Down

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

Nah, it's a good simplification, it loses a very small amount of EV vs pio, it's easier to play and an automatic exploit vs people who stab too much. Thought you were already doing it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

I don't think my plays are perfect, that's the way I discuss: I post my arguments defending my plays, if someone comes with a better argument I will change my mind and learn with it.

Go eat a dick, you never do this. It always goes like this,

X: Why'd you do that? That's bad. Here's why.

You: No it's actually good.

09-03-2019 , 03:11 PM

#7360

AlwaysFolding

Urban Pharmer

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has EAD been activated in this thread? Calm down, right now!

09-03-2019 , 03:25 PM

#7361

pokerforumposter

adept

Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 856

Pretty sure expanding on your thought process =/= claiming you are in the right. It's way higher ev than saying nothing and getting zero feedback on how you think.

09-03-2019 , 03:27 PM

#7362

Rapidesh123

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerPhilosopher

I did some detective work in [Edit] Fazendeiro's [/Edit] thread. You're welcome.

I thought he was too polite to be mirage, maybe he is holding back haha

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calm Down

Prove it. What are ev differences overall across a large subset of flops when SB checks range and when SB can bet small, bet big and check?

Are the ev differences same for many different flop categories?

Go eat a dick, you never do this. It always goes like this,

X: Why'd you do that? That's bad. Here's why.

You: No it's actually good.

if you don't believe me then look for the truth by yourself, ofc there are some textures which I think range x is a bad idea and vs some opponents too, but it's up to you to figure it out.

You are free to make some research in this thread, you will find out that I changed my mind a lot and even said mirage was right and I was wrong. It's easier to remember the times I don't change my mind because most of the time people don't show arguments. They just call me bad, so I don't change my mind.

09-03-2019 , 03:29 PM

#7363

Rapidesh123

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AlwaysFolding

has EAD been activated in this thread? Calm down, right now!

Looool

EAD OP!

Spoiler:

09-03-2019 , 04:13 PM

#7364

PlasticElephant

Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 2,307

Seems like people are very angry in the thread and very sure about things that aren't black or white.

PIO copier vs Nick Howard'er: There are people crushing highstakes who are PIO copiers. There are people crushing up to midstakes who are pure mass data explo strategy tweakers. Both work, (although I argue nick howard breaks down in small pools of good regs) just because you follow one route doesn't mean the other one sucks.

Rangechecking: might be good, might be bad. Definitely bad if you post that you are doing it when your username is the same as your 2+2 name though

09-03-2019 , 04:42 PM

#7365

JedMosely

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Hey guys, this is exactly how I play the most common spot in poker

Spoiler:

09-03-2019 , 04:55 PM

#7366

FazendeiroBH

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

I thought he was too polite to be mirage, maybe he is holding back haha.

Both mirage and garbage seem to hate you more than everyone, but mirage was the funny one

09-03-2019 , 06:22 PM

#7367

BERRI SOUR

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"I would rather have LinusLLove in every table I play instead of having to pay an extra 2bb/100 rake fwiw" is top pg&c content

09-03-2019 , 06:31 PM

#7368

meale

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Quote:

There are people crushing up to midstakes who are pure mass data explo strategy tweakers. Both work

There's a reason the midstakes crushers are EXPLO guys and the highstakes guys are PIO guys. Here we have rapi who is doing it backwards, being a PIO guy at low stakes.

09-03-2019 , 06:41 PM

#7369

angeles

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Quote:

Originally Posted by meale

There's a reason the midstakes crushers are EXPLO guys and the highstakes guys are PIO guys. Here we have rapi who is doing it backwards, being a PIO guy at low stakes.

Yeah 100%. The closer and closer your opposition gets to equilibrium the less likely it is that your human/explo strat is netting more ev than a pio-based one. No surprise why it works like that and why there are clearly better tools for the micro stakes than pio.

09-03-2019 , 07:15 PM

#7370

pontylad

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Quote:

Originally Posted by angeles

Yeah 100%. The closer and closer your opposition gets to equilibrium the less likely it is that your human/explo strat is netting more ev than a pio-based one. No surprise why it works like that and why there are clearly better tools for the micro stakes than pio.

Like a fully functional brain.

09-03-2019 , 07:17 PM

#7371

djz

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Quote:

The greatest tool of all is the one right between your ears. Shame so many players haven't looked into filling that vacuum yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by meale

There's a reason the midstakes crushers are EXPLO guys and the highstakes guys are PIO guys. Here we have rapi who is doing it backwards, being a PIO guy at low stakes.

If Rapi is a Pio guy at micros Llinus is a dnegs of nosebleeds 6max online.

edit: **** beaten the joke gj pontylad that was funny. congrats on beating me to it

09-03-2019 , 08:25 PM

#7372

angeles

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lol too true

09-03-2019 , 08:31 PM

#7373

Rapidesh123

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PlasticElephant

This +10000

And I don't mind giving people free info about that, some might think the hand ends when they realize I range check when it's where the hand starts