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08-02-2019 , 12:23 PM

#7251

Knoblis14

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 105

better question is what u have on that QJTxx board BTNvBB ?

08-02-2019 , 01:01 PM

#7252

bbissick

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 1,282

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

Really? With the 9 otr I don't see many villains valuebetting Qx/kk/AA, so that was the main reason I called

You have a lot of TP's in your range, in general people under bluff when trips is a very relevant part of your range

08-02-2019 , 07:56 PM

#7253

Rapidesh123

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 8,688

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knoblis14

better question is what u have on that QJTxx board BTNvBB ?

I was buttonclicking at max speed vs you in there, did you have AK? You have 70 wwsf and 70 wsd in my sample, so tilting lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbissick

You have a lot of TP's in your range, in general people under bluff when trips is a very relevant part of your range

It makes sense, tbh I always overfolded in that spot but decided to call in there recently, even if he bluffs all his gutshots he will probably have enough bluffing combos, but he will have to be bluffing with a lot of them too, also he has few offsuited broadways in there pre-flop.

08-02-2019 , 08:28 PM

#7254

Stroggoz

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 227

i wouldn't have guessed that board was underbluffed, very interesting. I also think it's an easy fold with 88.

08-02-2019 , 10:02 PM

#7255

Rapidesh123

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 8,688

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stroggoz

i wouldn't have guessed that board was underbluffed, very interesting. I also think it's an easy fold with 88.

88 is a better call than all Qx if villain is valuebetting trips+

08-03-2019 , 01:54 AM

#7256

Knoblis14

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 105

I was buttonclicking at max speed vs you in there, did you have AK? You have 70 wwsf and 70 wsd in my sample, so tilting lol

lol now i know why iam loosing, no i have way better hand i turned quads.
Sorry that i sunrun vs u.

08-03-2019 , 10:03 AM

#7257

baannii4

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 632

yeah agree h3 is severely underbluffed ez fold

same with h1

quitting poker/stressful things while attempting to quit smoking is the only reasonable thing i've ever seen you post on this website, gl.

08-03-2019 , 05:32 PM

#7258

TakeItiletyou

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 652

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

Results

I decided to just quit smoking after that. Obv I had plans to already quit that ****, but doing it is another thing, our brains get so addicted to nicotine that it's very hard to quit it, it's more addictive than cocaine, right?

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Nicotine gum did wonders for me and am a guy who thought i will never quit smoking. Have been without that **** for 28 month.

08-03-2019 , 05:49 PM

#7259

Fishtankz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 6,410

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knoblis14

better question is what u have on that QJTxx board BTNvBB ?

hand history for this one?

08-04-2019 , 03:14 AM

#7260

Knoblis14

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 105

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $104.10 (104.1 bb)
BB: $100 (100 bb)
UTG: $205.15 (205.2 bb)
MP: $222.15 (222.2 bb)
CO: $100 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $102.27 (102.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T

3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, SB folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($5.50) Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.72, BB calls $1.72

Turn: ($8.94) T

(2 players)
BB bets $2.12, Hero raises to $12.05, BB raises to $36, Hero calls $23.95

River: ($80.94) 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $62.05 and is all-in, BB folds

Spoiler:

08-04-2019 , 05:51 AM

#7261

mrno1324

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 3,055

Isn’t QJT a quintessential big polarised cbet board where you push nut advantage and bluff aggressively because opponent can’t raise you?

08-05-2019 , 06:05 PM

#7262

Knoblis14

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 105

who knows iam fun player

08-06-2019 , 08:00 AM

#7263

ZKesic

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 2,108

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knoblis14

who knows iam fun player

Betting small with a big part of our range is ok there vs pretty much anyone. Our range isn't really all that polarized on that board and if we intentionally polarize ourselves too much on the flop, our checking range becomes way too weak and exploitable.

08-06-2019 , 08:19 AM

#7264

RyanWCollins

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 231

Are there actually boards SRP btn v BB in which larger sizing than 33% actually yields significantly more EV in equilibrium?

08-06-2019 , 08:26 AM

#7265

Kangal_

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,912

define significantly.

IMO yes there are.

08-06-2019 , 08:29 AM

#7266

Calm Down

veteran

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 2,043

yes

08-06-2019 , 08:41 AM

#7267

Xenoblade

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 4,217

if you don't overbet flop with AK on a board like AK6 BTNvsBB you're making a mistake

08-06-2019 , 10:03 AM

#7268

RyanWCollins

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 231

Cheers guys, only compared 33 vs 75 before without seeing big differences but didn't expect overbets to differ so much. Pretty costly mistake indeed

08-06-2019 , 02:15 PM

#7269

Rapidesh123

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 8,688

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenoblade

if you don't overbet flop with AK on a board like AK6 BTNvsBB you're making a mistake

I don't agree with that, imo it's fine to range w 33% as long as you are 2x potting most turns.

08-06-2019 , 02:18 PM

#7270

Xenoblade

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 4,217

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

I don't agree with that, imo it's fine to range w 33% as long as you are 2x potting most turns.

plug it in pio you’ll see for yourself, otherwise we could argue any sizing is fine on flop on any texture

08-06-2019 , 03:14 PM

#7271

Rapidesh123

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenoblade

plug it in pio you’ll see for yourself, otherwise we could argue any sizing is fine on flop on any texture

I haven't sim that, gonna take a look at it

08-06-2019 , 03:24 PM

#7272

AlwaysFolding

Urban Pharmer

Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 19,980

Still watching, still vamoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

08-06-2019 , 04:07 PM

#7273

Calm Down

veteran

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 2,043

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

I don't agree with that, imo it's fine to range w 33% as long as you are 2x potting most turns.

Alright rapi, assuming equilibrium defending ranges for one of 2x, 2.5x, or 3x btn 40% rfi (in a high rake environment like the games you play), what is difference in EV for btn cbetting range for 33% or using a mixed strategy of checking, betting 33% and overbetting?

You say its fine sooo how much EV is btn giving up? You can choose whichever rfi sizing and you can change 40% open to something else if you want to.

08-06-2019 , 04:17 PM

#7274

tgiggity

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,795

is 40% rfi otb actually standard? I see it thrown around a lot but it's hard for me to come up with a button opening range that contains less than 50% of hands.

08-06-2019 , 04:32 PM

#7275

mrno1324

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 3,055

Quote:

Originally Posted by tgiggity

is 40% rfi otb actually standard? I see it thrown around a lot but it's hard for me to come up with a button opening range that contains less than 50% of hands.

Exclude offsuit trash like 87o or K8o

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