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04-01-2019 , 06:27 PM
Strong ending, may it continue <3
04-01-2019 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Pakichu777
I don't really understand H3:

We XR to represent a K, and we have decent blockers and some equity vs 99 etc, that part is fine.

But then after we narrow down his range a ton, we still feel like we should call down?

When you make exploitative adjustments, remember that you then shouldn't talk yourself into some random reasoning to justify further play in the hand.
so do you suggest folding everything after he calls the x/r?
He should have some Ax with a spade floating flop, maybe a flush draw, some hand he is turning into a bluff or just a random spazz, if he is 3-betting K6o he could easily go nuts in there. I'll obv not fight that much OTT vs him, but with that hand I just have to defend.
04-01-2019 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
4bet/fold with entire range? you mean you remove the calling option? that seems to be a mistake unless 3bet sizing is way too large
not saying 4b or fold is the best strat but it can't be that bad. monker basically plays this way with some calls mixed in. yeah the larger the sizing the more u want to do this
04-01-2019 , 08:15 PM
VAMOOOOOO
04-02-2019 , 01:12 AM
H1: Unnecessary at your stakes but whatever nb for image

H3: One thing I see a lot of is everyone justifying plays based on whatever they can think of - blockers, "reasoning", etc. Most of these regs are just talking nonsense; they have literally zero idea how little their reasoning matters in these situations. It’s really easy to justify just about anything in poker, you can always say “it’s not that bad because I block xy and unblock spades and I think he’s doing this with xx”….when in reality you need to think about it in different terms. Here, after you show flop aggression, the likelihood of him turning hands that you beat into bluffs is much smaller than the likelihood that he has you beat, and this is an easy river fold.

H4: I have some friends I can ask about this who used to shortstack full time but I am almost sure this is slightly loose for 43bbs. Will get back to you on this. It’s not as bad as people prob think but we want to have like QJs+ i imagine

H5: I imagine if your flop c/b range is constructed well here you can either check or bet this flop, check is fine. and we talked about it b4 but turn raise is good, yeah river good fold obv, wp by him if he has QJ or QT but we can only call NF+ here

H6: good shove

H8: If read is solid vry good river fold and one I think a lot of regs don’t make

Last edited by Oladipo; 04-02-2019 at 01:36 AM.
04-02-2019 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Oladipo
H1: Unnecessary at your stakes but whatever nb for image

H3: One thing I see a lot of is everyone justifying plays based on whatever they can think of - blockers, "reasoning", etc. Most of these regs are just talking nonsense; they have literally zero idea how little their reasoning matters in these situations. It’s really easy to justify just about anything in poker, you can always say “it’s not that bad because I block xy and unblock spades and I think he’s doing this with xx”….when in reality you need to think about it in different terms. Here, after you show flop aggression, the likelihood of him turning hands that you beat into bluffs is much smaller than the likelihood that he has you beat, and this is an easy river fold.

H4: I have some friends I can ask about this who used to shortstack full time but I am almost sure this is slightly loose for 43bbs. Will get back to you on this. It’s not as bad as people prob think but we want to have like QJs+ i imagine

H5: I imagine if your flop c/b range is constructed well here you can either check or bet this flop, check is fine. and we talked about it b4 but turn raise is good, yeah river good fold obv, wp by him if he has QJ or QT but we can only call NF+ here

H6: good shove

H8: If read is solid vry good river fold and one I think a lot of regs don’t make
Thanks for the feedback, man! Didn't think QJ would be a fold, will keep it in mind. I see people defending weird floats vs my x/r otf, but maybe it's just me overthinking.

But it makes sense that villain has few natural bluffs and people just jam FDs otf, he gotta be floating really wide in there for my call to be good.

My thought process was that I had a good bluffcatcher with good blockers and I couldn't fold that b vs b when my read was that he was too loose pre.
04-02-2019 , 04:38 AM
Re: H3. I definitely have seen the type of villain who you have to call down against with literally anything. Someone who merely 3bets K5o does not even put him in that category of player though.

I think it's an understandable call in-game when you aren't playing A+ because we tend to remember all the spots where we correctly called down here vs. actual crazy players, but I think it's also a massive losing play to continue on the turn from a weak read.

Re: H6. Snowie (dated, but still value) also value 4bets JJ 100% MP v CO, which is noteworthy because Snowie is pretty linear and almost always mixes the "borderline" hands even at something like 95/5, which suggests that JJ is just too strong here.

From CO's perspective he 3bets roughly A2s-A5s, ATs+, AQo+, 88+, then calls roughly AJs+, TT-KK, and half of AK, folds everything worse, and jams all AA, the other half of AK then a bit of KK, QQ. So it seems that we do get a somewhat painful loss vs. the jamming part of his range by flatting, but it's really painful for him to fold so many Axs (and AQo!!) hands in position.
04-02-2019 , 06:48 AM
The question in H8 is not whether we should call/fold, but why we would be playing in games where fold is even a consideration vs a relatively unknown? For me in the games I play in it would be the quickest snap of all time and I'd expect to see any Kx, ******ed bluffs & even as far as a semi bluff that now has SD going for thin value like QTo. Yet on Stars apparently guys only show up with KJ, K8 & 88 here which is probably true tbh, so leave quickly.

Seriously why do some of you guys worship Stars so much? If I could share/save HH's I could show endless examples of us calling being good in this spot.

Software > Money?
04-02-2019 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by samcx
The question in H8 is not whether we should call/fold, but why we would be playing in games where fold is even a consideration vs a relatively unknown? For me in the games I play in it would be the quickest snap of all time and I'd expect to see any Kx, ******ed bluffs & even as far as a semi bluff that now has SD going for thin value like QTo. Yet on Stars apparently guys only show up with KJ, K8 & 88 here which is probably true tbh, so leave quickly.

Seriously why do some of you guys worship Stars so much? If I could share/save HH's I could show endless examples of us calling being good in this spot.

Software > Money?
Well, if I know he never has a bluff there and he will always pay me off when I have KQ, how could it be bad to have someone like that at the table? Specially when he is overfolding on all streets, not 3-betting enough, letting me realize lots of equity. That guy is easily beatable by a good winrate if you know what you're doing.

I would be way more upset if he turned QT into a bluff otr, that would be an indicator that the games were bad.
04-02-2019 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Well, if I know he never has a bluff there and he will always pay me off when I have KQ, how could it be bad to have someone like that at the table? Specially when he is overfolding on all streets, not 3-betting enough, letting me realize lots of equity. That guy is easily beatable by a good winrate if you know what you're doing.
Not as good winrate as stacking his K5s in spots like that though. But that seldom happens on Stars. So I guess it's a good disciplined fold.

Anyhow Rapi you explained why you play on Stars as it's not about the money for you and you enjoy the Strategy side of the game & the challenge which is fine if that's what you want to do but others who've played on Stars since they started ignore the fact that there are tons of other softer games to play in and where you'll get better rewards as well and any inferior software to Stars takes a few days at most to get used too.
04-02-2019 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by samcx
Not as good winrate as stacking his K5s in spots like that though. But that seldom happens on Stars. So I guess it's a good disciplined fold.

Anyhow Rapi you explained why you play on Stars as it's not about the money for you and you enjoy the Strategy side of the game & the challenge which is fine if that's what you want to do but others who've played on Stars since they started ignore the fact that there are tons of other softer games to play in and where you'll get better rewards as well and any inferior software to Stars takes a few days at most to get used too.
You're underestimating how many whales there are on stars, I post ******ed plays here all the time. I wouldn't be surprised if the only games better than stars would be on ignition. Obv the majority of bad players are huge nits, bur there are lots os spazz fish and massive stations out there.
04-02-2019 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
You're underestimating how many whales there are on stars, I post ******ed plays here all the time. I wouldn't be surprised if the only games better than stars would be on ignition. Obv the majority of bad players are huge nits, bur there are lots os spazz fish and massive stations out there.
If there are so many whales and spazz fish like you claim, your winrate should be sky high. Easily double digits.
04-02-2019 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
If there are so many whales and spazz fish like you claim, your winrate should be sky high. Easily double digits.
Nobody in the games I play have a double digit winrate. Also zoom allows you to play more volume and whales' money go out of their rolls faster.
04-02-2019 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
I wouldn't be surprised if the only games better than stars would be on ignition.
lol. Where do you think all the Asian whales play btw?
04-02-2019 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by samcx
lol. Where do you think all the Asian whales play btw?
Those asian sites look like a scam, saw koatrinh (kanaxis here on 2p2) playing 50z/100z after I heard he was playing chinese apps, my guess is that those sites stole his roll because he isn't a losing player and isn't a degen.

Also heard the rake in those games is insanely high and there are lots of shortstackers that increase the impact of rake/reduce winrates. On top of that software is garbage.

Party is full of regs/bots/software is ****. Imo the only options are ignition/stars/run it once. If RIO had zoom I would seriously consider grinding there.

I like also knowing people's sn, it makes the experience more fun for me. Also I think you get better faster in sn games because you can't get away with many bull**** plays. If USA comes back to online poker and ignitiom dies I'm pretty sure all regs that stayed on stars will make a killing vs those new players that are used to playing anonymous and can keep printing like crazy without putting many study hours.
04-02-2019 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Those asian sites look like a scam, saw koatrinh (kanaxis here on 2p2) playing 50z/100z after I heard he was playing chinese apps, my guess is that those sites stole his roll because he isn't a losing player and isn't a degen.
It's fine to guess and ponder, but why do you have to post it publicly without any sort of evidence? Have some respect. I can't be the only one that gets tilted by these things you say.
04-02-2019 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Also heard the rake in those games is insanely high and there are lots of shortstackers that increase the impact of rake/reduce winrates. On top of that software is garbage.
I can assure you that all 3 of those points are untrue for the most part. I say for the most part because there's one site I know of where you can buy-in 50bbs but most are 100bb min and 400bb max.

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I can't be the only one that gets tilted by these things you say.
You're not.
04-02-2019 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Clanty
It's fine to guess and ponder, but why do you have to post it publicly without any sort of evidence? Have some respect. I can't be the only one that gets tilted by these things you say.
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Originally Posted by .isolated
I can assure you that all 3 of those points are untrue for the most part. I say for the most part because there's one site I know of where you can buy-in 50bbs but most are 100bb min and 400bb max.

You're not.
I'm sorry, I don't filter much before posting, didn't think it was a big deal but yeah, gotta think more about stuff like that before posting.
04-02-2019 , 02:35 PM
omfg hi gl rapid
04-02-2019 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Those asian sites look like a scam, saw koatrinh (kanaxis here on 2p2) playing 50z/100z after I heard he was playing chinese apps, my guess is that those sites stole his roll because he isn't a losing player and isn't a degen.
Site I play on the currency used is South Korean Won and it isn't an app. The software is solid but has a couple of bugs, is it Shady? Probably a little but I'm getting paid as is so I'm going to keep playing on there.

Stuff like this happens all the time:

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MCDwan: calls xxx
rotcv5161: folds
LIVDx: checks
*** FLOP *** [8s 2c Ks] (Total Pot: xxx.x 2 Players)
LIVDx: checks
MCDwan: checks
*** TURN *** [8s 2c Ks] [Qc] (Total Pot: xxx.x 2 Players)
LIVDx: checks
MCDwan: checks
*** RIVER *** [8s 2c Ks Qc] [3s] (Total Pot: xxx.x 2 Players)
LIVDx: checks
MCDwan: folds
LIVDx collected xxx.x from pot

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Just a small example of what these guys do. They do the same thing in 3bp's OTR OOP if their draw didn't get there, just snap open fold.

How often do you see this on Stars? In fact does Stars even allow that?

Last edited by samcx; 04-02-2019 at 03:02 PM.
04-02-2019 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Those asian sites look like a scam, saw koatrinh (kanaxis here on 2p2) playing 50z/100z after I heard he was playing chinese apps, my guess is that those sites stole his roll because he isn't a losing player and isn't a degen.
Isnt it possible his skill just deteriorated because of playing these easy apps and just wants to start off at 100z to regain said skill or confidence?
04-02-2019 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by samcx
Site I play on the currency used is South Korean Won and it isn't an app. The software is solid but has a couple of bugs, is it Shady? Probably a little but I'm getting paid as is so I'm going to keep playing on there. <snip>
At this point I'm sure Stars has some dirt on Rapid that keeps him from moving his money off of the site.
04-02-2019 , 03:27 PM
H8 my decision would be call or raise, never folding lol
04-02-2019 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JoseMourinho
Isnt it possible his skill just deteriorated because of playing these easy apps and just wants to start off at 100z to regain said skill or confidence?
It's possible that the apps were offline, he was recording a coaching video, even that he was tired of bumhunting and decided to click some buttons for fun with good poker software.

I should quit making big assumptions based on limited info both in life and poker, you guys are right.
04-02-2019 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
H8 my decision would be call or raise, never folding lol
Vs the crazy people you play and no hud I would think the same, but that guy played really tight and passive.

      
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