H1: vaaaaaaamo!!! Quite loose pre, but reg was overfolding to 3-bets, also OTT he is in a ****ty spot, fish could have trips or FH already and I'm looking super strong. Fish could have some garbage floats there too, he is the one that I think that is more likely to call a jam in there
Turn:(79.37 BB, 3 players) 3
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets 87.67 BB and is all-in, fold, fold
Hero wins 77.99 BB
H2: vs reg with 12% x/r, passive OTT but active OTR. I usually fold these, but this combo is so insane, if I folded this, my calling range OTR would be only FHs+. For some people it's a super std call ofc, but meh, calling is so tough for me. He wasn't super nitty or bluffy, kinda in the middle. Should I fold this? Villain has very low FE on this board
River:(69.98 BB, 2 players) 6 BB bets 73.86 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 68.85 BB and is all-in
Spoiler:
BB shows 9 9 (Full House, Nines full of Kings)
(Pre 52%, Flop 97%, Turn 84%) Hero shows Q K (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 48%, Flop 3%, Turn 16%) BB wins 206.31 BB
H3: vs unknown, OTR I tanked so much, meh. Std call, right? What if he jammed? After my play money studies, I should be calling way faster here, whenever the board gets super scary people end up bluffing a lot with donkbets
H4: vs good reg, trappy! haha! Should he bet the river? I don't know what to do in his shoes, so I mix checking and betting depending on villain's tendencies
H5: vs reg, wp? Quite annoying to see a x/r, vs that should I call or jam? I feel some people are capable of spazzing a bit in there and folding to a jam. Vs that strat, I should check back like crazy, right?
H6: vs same reg I 2x overbet bluff river some pages ago and he snap called me. OTT his barreling range is super strong or super weak, because he isn't valuebetting many overpairs in there, right? Thought AK was ok because it blocked a ton of AJ/some KJ he could have and none of his bluffs. OTR it's better to just give up, at the time it looked like a good river for me, but his calling range has a lot of FDs too, right?
Sorry for the delay. Was busy finishing 3rd in the 100K high roller on ignition.
H1. terrible pre flop, but at least you found the balls to jam turn. Glad your finally listening to me.
H2. the same old garbage cbet sizing but river was ok.
H3. overbet turn, make him put all his crappy money in to see a river. Your doing standard sizings vs a ss ******.
H4. Should bet turn or river.
H5. You should be raising flop huge not calling with 6 high in a 3bet pot. If your not raising that hand wtf are you raising? You put yourself in an awful spot and were deservedly owned. Your turn sizing was lolz as well.
H6. The good old 'easy fold on the turn because I have nothing, so lets just spaz like a ****** and get owned'.
Your best played hand was when you got stacked with KQ.
If QJ villain is a rec you might as well go pot or slightly bigger again on the turn. He's not folding two pair with a flush draw on board. River tank is silly, never fold the straight vs a rec at that price.
QQ is very standard, not trappy at all. You should check a fair bit of Kx on the turn though and if you don't, he should bet since you'll have fewer river valuebets for him to raise. But standard by both as played.
65dd is just a turn call. His play is very non standard, he wants to bet flop bigger with this part of his range and certainly not check turn. So either he is clicking btns or he is specifically assuming that you will go overboard with the protection betting on turn, making this a very good exploit. The only urgent get in on turn on your part is J9s.
how should villain split his flop cbet sizing for the AJ hand?
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Originally Posted by SalmoTrutta
If QJ villain is a rec you might as well go pot or slightly bigger again on the turn. He's not folding two pair with a flush draw on board. River tank is silly, never fold the straight vs a rec at that price.
QQ is very standard, not trappy at all. You should check a fair bit of Kx on the turn though and if you don't, he should bet since you'll have fewer river valuebets for him to raise. But standard by both as played.
65dd is just a turn call. His play is very non standard, he wants to bet flop bigger with this part of his range and certainly not check turn. So either he is clicking btns or he is specifically assuming that you will go overboard with the protection betting on turn, making this a very good exploit. The only urgent get in on turn on your part is J9s.
If QJ villain is a rec you might as well go pot or slightly bigger again on the turn. He's not folding two pair with a flush draw on board. River tank is silly, never fold the straight vs a rec at that price.
QQ is very standard, not trappy at all. You should check a fair bit of Kx on the turn though and if you don't, he should bet since you'll have fewer river valuebets for him to raise. But standard by both as played.
65dd is just a turn call. His play is very non standard, he wants to bet flop bigger with this part of his range and certainly not check turn. So either he is clicking btns or he is specifically assuming that you will go overboard with the protection betting on turn, making this a very good exploit. The only urgent get in on turn on your part is J9s.
Iyeah, I thought about just jamming turn, Im kinda rusty when playing vs whales, forgot all the tricks lol. On the QQ hand I said villain was trappy, not me. It was going to be nasty to face a x/r lol
Iyeah, I thought about just jamming turn, Im kinda rusty when playing vs whales, forgot all the tricks lol. On the QQ hand I said villain was trappy, not me. It was going to be nasty to face a x/r lol
Only jam if you have some good info that he's likely to call. He has a lot of "easy" calls vs pot that has close to no equity, so you don't want to risk blowing that whole category off.
Yeah I was referring to villain. It's pretty standard, not an explo trap or anything.
how should villain split his flop cbet sizing for the AJ hand?
You don't have to split but it should be pretty obvious that QQ, KK, AA, AJ, KJ have different needs compared to JJ, TT, AK for instance. You gain a few % of EV by splitting so it's not huge but I'd assume the better 200z regs do in the more straight forward spots such as this one. I could be wrong though.
Are you moving up to where they respect your raises?
Get some coaching with brokenstars and go to 200 zone, vaaaaamo
12k.! I satellited in from my poker points. Turned out I was also an MTT crusher and didn't even realize. I still hate mtts but would always recommend sometimes playing some casually on the side of your main grind for the chance of a big score.
Coaching from Brokenstars? Would mess up my game. I'm not enough of a degen to just jump up to the bigger games so hes safe for now.
12k.! I satellited in from my poker points. Turned out I was also an MTT crusher and didn't even realize. I still hate mtts but would always recommend sometimes playing some casually on the side of your main grind for the chance of a big score.
Coaching from Brokenstars? Would mess up my game. I'm not enough of a degen to just jump up to the bigger games so hes safe for now.
Lol, brokenstars should make a coaching package for you: 10 sessions, from nitfish to crusher.
Not kidding, man, try some coaching sessions with him, your game will improve a lot and maybe you can start beating 200. Gotta try to move up and improve, from your HH analysis its clear that you have major leaks in your game. Take that chance the poker gods gave you and try to make something good from it.
you know you could just peel turn with AK on 36JJ, if you somehow decide to get fancy and bluffraise because you feel you can't call profitably and villain is overfolding turn then by all mean go for it but the river bluff is just a punt
you know you could just peel turn with AK on 36JJ, if you somehow decide to get fancy and bluffraise because you feel you can't call profitably and villain is overfolding turn then by all mean go for it but the river bluff is just a punt
Didnt even think about calling, it looks good, thanks. And yeah, river is terrible.
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$4k is more than enough imo
Really? 20 bi looks so low to me. My bankroll went from 5k to 12k to 6k since I took shots at 200z. Ive played 50z with 14-20 bi over 100k hands lol, it was a nightmare for the mental game, every BI lost used to hurt a lot.
Lol, brokenstars should make a coaching package for you: 10 sessions, from nitfish to crusher.
Not kidding, man, try some coaching sessions with him, your game will improve a lot and maybe you can start beating 200. Gotta try to move up and improve, from your HH analysis its clear that you have major leaks in your game. Take that chance the poker gods gave you and try to make something good from it.
Stop forcing that dog**** coaching on people. You got it and you’re still horrendous.
Also his HH analysis is horrible but it’s almost always better than the way you played the hands.
Played a lot today, tons of unfoldem lol. It's funny to see how I was playing 3-handed/HU(without unfold dynamics, they only start at 4+ players), I was really impressed at how annoying I looked at the table, always putting pressure and with a wild image. Stuff that we don't see much because of ZOOM, we just look like nits all the time haha(but what if we're nits all the time anyways?).
Here are some zoom hands, can't find a way to link unfoldem ones
H1: vs reg that hates to fold vs me, decided to jam because wtf am I'm bluffing with there OTR lol. My QT always play like that and I thought he was calling AQ OTT, he loves to float. wp?
River:(57.79 BB, 2 players) 3 Hero bets 79.04 BB and is all-in, fold
Hero wins 56.42 BB
H2: vs reg I have marked as a whale, OTR vs a nit, it's a fold, right? It's kinda sick, because huge nits will always play KK that way and probably nothing else? Maybe tilted people. But vs that guy I just can't fold, he has done so much ******ed stuff to me that he probably can spazz out with a lot of things in there
fold, fold, CO raises to 2.7 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO calls 7.3 BB
Flop:(21 BB, 2 players) T 9 J Hero checks, CO bets 6.59 BB, Hero calls 6.59 BB
Turn:(34.17 BB, 2 players) A Hero bets 10.86 BB, CO calls 10.86 BB
River:(55.89 BB, 2 players) T Hero bets 18.06 BB, CO raises to 86.03 BB, fold
CO wins 90.63 BB
H4: vs reg that loves to fold flops, I seriously think flop is a fold, he has a 1/26 raise cbet in my sample lol. His river play is bad, but I can't blame him because I do it as well, it's one of my big leaks, but I'm at least bluffing haha
River:(33.08 BB, 2 players) A
SB bets 22.66 BB and is all-in, fold
SB wins 31.71 BB
H6: vs trappy reg, should I call river? Vs him, my best strat is to check most of my range back OTF, right? He is giving us so much EV by trapping so much, so better to check and realize? If he leads turn, should I expect him to be bluff heavy because I saw this check?
H8: vs reg that said I was ******ed in the chat a lot of times, lol. I thought I was looking so strong with the 4-bet, so good to get it in that well, specially vs that guy >D
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, BB calls 9 BB, Hero raises to 27 BB, SB raises to 114.38 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 73 BB and is all-in
Flop:(210 BB, 2 players) 2 9 5
Turn:(210 BB, 2 players) 7
River:(210 BB, 2 players) A Players agreed to run it twice.
Btw, had some new insights in unfoldem: while playing postflop, its good to pay attention at the unfold pot. People usually get it in there with any pair/decent draws, so by looking at how the action is going there, we get info on how the board is blocked.
As an example: lets say we have AA and board is 5566, if 4 people went into the unfold pot, its way less likely villain will have a 5x or 6x. There are probably one 5 and one 6 left in the deck. Now if nobody went in for the unfold pot, villains range is way stronger.
In gto unfoldem, the more people got in for the unfold pot, the range which has more overpairs get stronger, so we should apply way more pressure. As an exploit we could get away with way more bluffs when people unfold a lot. But it creates a weird meta going on, where the other guy will know that too and will have to defend lighter, because with more unfolds going on, his SDV is moved more towards the top of his range(if he has 66% less sets and 50% less TP, then his midpairs are way higher in his range).
Quite weird stuff, but I dont expect people to use that info atm, most people are still making a lot of mistakes in that game to be expected that they will take that into consideration.
If 500 unfold starts running I will definitely give it a try, feel Im a very strong player in that game specially 4-handed(one scenario where winrates possible become as high as possible imo, maybe 7-max-8-max but games rarely get that big at 100 and 200)
Btw, its fun to see some regs giving a try, play 3 orbits and think "wtf am I doing here?" and quit lol. Saw one guy yesterday playing a seriously gto unfoldem strat too lol. So people are improving, if more people start playing better at that game it can start to be unbeatable very fast because of the rake.
Last edited by Rapidesh123; 08-07-2018 at 10:58 AM.