There is no way someone can play as well on-stream as they do off. There are many distractions from chat, OBS, embarrassment, etc.

Just because you don't see what someone is doing or how it's advanced doesn't mean there is a lot behind it. Is like going to a concert and being like "umm I don't get it all he did was hit his hands on the piano keys nothing special I can do that" when the guy probably spent hundreds of hours preparing. Also there is a lot more to something than saying you can do it as opposed to actually performing at a high level. Like, I can play Metallica solos on guitar in my room really well and if I practiced enough I could do them mistake free but I am a million miles from being able to play them for 80k people at that level. Or 100 people.

And maybe you can understand what is going on a Llinus hand railbirding (or reading it slowly with infinite time to think), with zero pressure, no stack at risk, no good opponents at table but that is really far from sitting at table with really good players in real time. It gets in your head a bit. It even gets in OP's head massively which can be seen by how much he misplays against perceived regs/nits/fish. One of the hardest things about online poker is the timebank. Game would be super easy without it.

Also you won't see any graphs of someone beating nl50 for 20bb++/100 over a decent sample because they will just move up through stakes really fast. There would be no reason for them to keep playing nl50 when that kind of WR means they can beat nl200 for 7bb/100 probably.

man the top 50nl regs will for sure be winning 6bb, and possibly even slightly higher
i am kinda shocked ppl don't think a top 10 player in the world (let alone a good z500 reg) will do better lol


5 average 50nl regs (lets say 2-3bb winners) + any good 25/50+ reg the 25/50 reg will prob win at min 5bb, probably even more, even with 50nl rake, imagine now if there are actually recs. in that line up instead............

and yea what djz said, u wont see these graphs cause ppl crushing that hard will just move up fast. altho at pretty much every stake there are a few br nits/ppl who are adverse who just crush their stake when they could easily move up for a huge winrate and a smexy graph.
2nl you can prob win literally 40bb/100 or something ridic

+1

'for sure' means nothing without any evidence. You're just speculating. I would be very surprised to see 6bb+ over 500k sample. Prob is a few but they could be statistical sun runners.

I think that the best 50z reg might actually be making more money at 50z than OTB or Llinus would be, since he knows how to exploit the pool close to perfection.

There are people beating 200z and 500z on stars for >6bb/100...the rake is not that strong you are just bad sorry. I have seen 500k hand graphs of this.
This is a pretty well-known HS player on stars...I editted out his name cause idk how public it is but he is a pretty well-known guy. It's $320k in profit there is quite a bit of nl10k in there. Here is his 500z graph: but why would he keep grinding that when he can move up and have the big blind be equal to 20bb in his normal game with a similar winrate?

I watched some super BR nit German streamer mass-table nl4 on twitch and he said his WR was like 30bb/100 (I think there was a graph; I don't remember). He was playing awful and making infinite mistakes too.

Also winrates aren't cut in half as you move up in stakes so there is really no reason to not move up unless risk averse/BR nit/not playing poker for the money.

Admitting to yourself you suck and there are people much better at something than you is an important first step to improving. And once you are at a high level you have to keep working extremely hard or others pass you. Look at how hard Tom Brady works despite being 42, made hundreds of millions, and winning six Superbowls (despite losing two to the Giants).

ITT lots of delusional grinders hardstuck at stake.

Looool

Wait, he's folding 74% to a 3bet?

I'm pretty sure in PT it means all 3 bets, even if you're not the one who opened

plz stop posting my graphs in public forums @djz

yea.

lol i didn't even look for this on purpose but just happened to find this

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...7&postcount=56

also im sure many ppl would happily bet if you posted to xbook at 6bb/100

You just said the magic word. Rake which you higher stakes guys underestimate. You are playing a totally different game paying 3bb rake vs 9bb at 50z, that difference far outweighs the skill gap between the players. I know this is hard to swallow and probably blows your mind but its true. 500z bum hunting paying 3bb rake is easy game in 2019. Sorry but I'm not impressed.

oneselfishguy is an outlier, who is running well and playing well, and hes still not close to 10bb.

+1000

HS regs spend their time studying how to play well vs other very strong players, they don't have the time to find all the different sizing tells/exploits they could use against all types of random people that play at lower stakes.

As an example, at 200z I got used to defending properly vs overbets ott and at 50z most of the pool never do those as a bluff; and if they do it's with a very strong draw, so I started making mistakes in a spot I didn't do before.

Sure that they already know a lot of exploits vs the regular fish/bad reg, but a HS reg wouldn't be the biggest winner of a smaller stake right away.

I will post my lifetime 50z graph at the end of the month, avoiding looking at results.

Move down to where they respect your raises I guess.

Just stfu you have never beat 200z for a reasonable sample and you never will.

Here's a crazy thought, maybe the reason guys are playing HS is because they actually knew how to exploit people at low stakes... which is something rapi and others stuck at 50nl haven't learnt...

If they could exploit the pool 'close to perfection' they wouldn't be at 50 NL.

It doesn't even have to be LLinus or OTB, a good MS reg would be able to win more fairly easily imo.

The fact that anyone is convincing themselves otherwise is nuts.

You don't think that there are some people in this world who are satisfied with only making $100/hr and don't feel the need to just keep moving up endlessly?

The good old 20bb winrate. No we dont think that.

think you mean day?

I think that most normal people have a point at which they stop moving up.

For some people it's when they're making $200/hr at 500nl.
For some people it's when they're making $100/hr at 200nl.
For some people it's when they're making $50/hr at 50nl.

Imagine you're from an EU country in which the average pay is $5/hr. Wouldn't you be more than happy to just keep grinding 50nl stress free?

Moving up comes with risks and higher variance, which a lot of people just prefer not to deal with.

This

So many reg posters on here (presumably plenty of intelligence - maybe less life experience??) struggle with the idea that a lot of people log on to play online poker for many different reasons and motivations, but the vast majority share one fundamental need.

It's nice to win.

Once you've ticked that box, and the winnings satisfy whatever the money goal is, plenty of folk just gonna wallow happy in the comfort zone.

That's life people. Not for everyone, sure, but good enough for many.

Are micro players itt really trying to convince themselves theyre close to otb’s level? Nice humility guys.

Fwiw i think i could get a 9-10bb+ wr at 50z nowadays and redbaron would just eat me for breakfast. You guys just dont realize how easy it is to exploit the **** out of 50 weakregs.

Also if that changes anything I know a 200z player who had 8-9bb wr at 100z over large sample.

Easier to blame it all on the external factors like rake & run good than look at yourself and realise you got major leaks in your game. It makes a little sense given the ego and **** some of these posters give to others about each others game in these pgc threads.

Has otb won a single hand against OP? No, and that speaks volume.