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i mean, keep this last post at least pls, and if the mods could delete the graph and the names i mentioned would apreciate

xo

damnit, almost had some drama ��

Interesting that both guys have problems with someone else, they thought they have found each other and, yet, each of them picked the wrong guy it seems

well, Martim is a name of Portuguese origin 'son of mars' , there were only 3 Martim's when i was born , and its still confused today by 'Martin' even in Portugal, as many people straight away start speaking in english , as i could easily pass as a foreign by looks and height




in 1881 was the first time the name was used , as a surname in the UK, guess he found one of those 36

big coincidences happen


Edit: actually wrong about this , it was first used in 1147 as a first name , to a royalty guy named 'Martim Moniz' in Portugual , but seems like it wasn't used further for a long time after

To all procrastinators reading this thread

were you born in 1800?

ganha juizo

Rapi you got some serious flaws in your logic. A 2bb winner playing 200k hands a month is NOT better than a 5bb winner playing 50k hands a month. The 5bb winner is a better player period. Sure, if the 2bb winner really wants to 4 table zoom for 200 hours a month (unsustainable) then he will technically win more money. But the 5bb winner will arguably be much better off overall cause he plays less hours per month and has time for other things like a life/studying so he can be an 8bb crusher. His sessions will also be much less stressful than the 2bb winner cause he will have fewer and less severe downswings.

How many monthly graphs have you seen with 200k hands a month? Have you even played more than 100k hands in a month recently? Last month you didn't even hit 50k.

not to mention the most fun poker is fewer tables with max focus, ideally at higher stakes

These are both personal takes. The 5bb/100 is not the better player and fewer tables/lower volume is not necessarily more fun. Just opinions.

I totally agree!

If I had to 4 table NLH, I'd die of boredom. And if I had half of my bankroll on the table, the stress of it would make the game anything but fun.

Yeah we had a similar discussion and I was at the time advocating lower tables for higher stakes but after thinking about it -> there’s really a lot more to consider and I think it comes down to personal goals, aspirations, etc. Although I do think most players are erring towards recreational even some regs so for me it’s likely more would say less tables is more enjoyable and posting big winrate graphs is more fun/satisfying

The better poker professional is the one who makes more money, it's simple as that. Obviously there are many other variables to take into account, like burnout, social life, exercise and study to improve and make more in the future. But in the end, who manages to make more money is the best professional.

It took me a long time to learn this

I prefer playing less tables with more focus, I believe it's the fastest way to get better in the game and move up. It's easy to lose yourself in the grind and auto pilot most of the time when playing high volume.

It's not about necessarily less tables. It's about less hours spent grinding. The 5bb winner can CHOOSE to play more hands per month and easily make more money. The 2bb winner does not have that option. The 2bb winner is probably so burnt out from the volume that he won't have much time to study and stop being a marginal winner. And like I said, there's other indirect benefits about spending less time grinding to win slightly less money. Time is also money. I fact, I will argue that time is worth way more than money.

While I agree that from a short term financial POV the better poker pro is the one who makes more money, your example is ridiculous. Better off using 3bb and 100k hands vs 5bb and 50k hands to prove your point. 200k hands per month is ridiculous. And this example is ESPECIALLY ridiculous coming from you. I've been following this thread on and off for years and from what I hear your own volume is laughable. You've been roasted many times ITT for your lack of volume and I don't recall ever even seeing a month where you had a graph with more than 50 or 60k hands.

Are you "full time"? Or do you have a part time job. Cost of living must be low in Brazil. Not saying this to be a d1ck, just curious.

Higher winrate (assuming your standard deviation does not have to dramatically increase to achieve it, which I don't think should ever be expected) means less risk of ruin, you can use more "aggressive" BRM schemes, move up faster having to play less hands in the process, withdraw more to living expenses, less psychological stress...

Same reasoning for staying away from zoom and zoom-like formats.

He lives at home with his parents, I think this arrangement will lower personal expenses no matter where you live.

why would you try to get better when you've let us know that you are already super good? Just move up and earn more?

Looked at Rapi's stats on Statname and couldn't find anything atrocious, actually seems quite solid even though his wr is still a bit far from the top ones.

Definitely a work ethics problem going on regarding the volume, putting bluntly, Rapi is just lazy.

Good news, people, got promoted this month! getting new material to study, the new coaches are beyond insane, like legit legends lol, it's going to be very good to study with those sickos. Will keep studying with the micro study group. Tbh that study group helped me to put so many hours of study that I would never have put otherwise.

As I was explaining to one new coach why my volume was low, I said to him that I didn't have a routine, then I've created a routine for me, with time to exercise, cook, study, play, sleep a lot and also some free time too. I believe that it will be easier to focus now that I have every hour of the week planned out. Will also skip some days off, will rest only 1 day every week.


Of course it was an insane example, don't take it literally, try to get the idea of what I was saying.
I'm a full time player that played mostly part time it will change, my volume is going up, the best thing that happened to me was to join metagame.

I said I was a decent player, not a garbage reg like people were saying at any opportunity they could. In poker you have to always improve or you will get left behind.

I still have a lot of leaks and I'm still too defensive and go to theory when I should choose the exploit, but in higher stakes this habit will help me more, so I'm fine with losing a bit of winrate to keep playing some spots more theoretically sound to keep sharp.

I live in my parents' house with my brother, I'm very fortunate, really grateful to have a nice place to live in a very good part of the city, got a car I can drive, everything is close and it's somewhat calm here (although it's getting more crowded year after year). So cost of living is low for me, will use that to my advantage and save a lot. Learned how to save money in the recent months.

May results

Made around 1.5k, it was good, but my work ethic was garbage this month, ran good, but I got this leak that whenever I book a decent win in a day (in BB), I want to quit, I have 0 clue on how to deal with that. Always played more while losing too. I believe that if I manage to follow the routine I've planned, I will end up playing a fixed amount of hours, then it will be fine. But I've decided to change my routine a bit: will take 2 days off per week, at least in the beginning I got to do that, will respect those days off a lot and specially the days of work.

Learning a lot, at least my study hours went up a lot this month, studying new strats, also started studying in a new study group, got 2 going on. The new coaches are insane too, really happy to be in the team, I believe that it's only a matter of time that I will be playing nl200. Also I'm going to start upgrading my grind setup, tbh I've got one of the worst setups I've had in my life lol, my setup is pretty garbage and 0 professional, I can't play more than 4 stars tables, got a big TV that I use as a monitor, but resolution is low. This month will buy the monitor, then I plan to buy a table, any ideas on good tables to grind? I don't mind paying a lot for something that will last many years and that can have its height adjusted. After that will buy a second monitor for the lobbies, I believe after that I will be in a very good setup, since my chair is very good (despite being cheap).

Will start playing also on a new site next month, people say that games in there are good, sadly there are few tables going on in there, but it's ok, need to play on a second site and make more hands/hour.

Graph:




Some hands

H1: When I see this one I remember that scarface part of the movie where Tony Montana says "you're ****ing with me? You're ****ing with the best?! I'M TONY MONTANA!!!" haha vamooooooo

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 171.68 BB
UTG: 103.68 BB
CO: 95.5 BB
BTN: 102 BB
SB: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q A

fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, CO calls 8 BB

Flop: (22.5 BB, 2 players) 5 6 5
Hero bets 5.34 BB, CO calls 5.34 BB

Turn: (33.18 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, CO bets 19 BB, Hero calls 19 BB

River: (71.18 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, CO bets 60.16 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 60.16 BB




H2: bold

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 159.52 BB
Hero (SB): 156.96 BB
BB: 125.68 BB
UTG: 116.32 BB
MP: 140.08 BB
CO: 56.24 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T T

fold, MP raises to 2.52 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, BB raises to 24 BB, fold, Hero calls 13 BB

Flop: (50.52 BB, 2 players) 4 4 3
Hero checks, BB bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

Turn: (74.52 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BB checks

River: (74.52 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 36 BB, BB raises to 89.68 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 53.68 BB



H3: vamooooooo!

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 172.08 BB
BTN: 87.44 BB
SB: 75.24 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 176.6 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.32 BB, SB calls 1.92 BB, fold

Flop: (7.96 BB, 3 players) 4 9 3
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 3 BB, SB raises to 9.8 BB, Hero raises to 24 BB, fold, SB raises to 72.92 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 48.92 BB

Turn: (156.8 BB, 2 players) 5

River: (156.8 BB, 2 players) 4



H4: vs reg that has been running very well vs me

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 100 BB
BB: 157.32 BB
UTG: 101.16 BB
MP: 130.68 BB
CO: 104 BB
Hero (BTN): 169.16 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 4 A

fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, SB calls 3.6 BB, fold, MP calls 3 BB

Flop: (13 BB, 3 players) K Q 4
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets 3.12 BB, SB raises to 12.44 BB, fold, Hero calls 9.32 BB

Turn: (37.88 BB, 2 players) J
SB checks, Hero bets 22 BB, SB calls 22 BB

River: (81.88 BB, 2 players) 8
SB checks, Hero bets 130.72 BB and is all-in, SB calls 61.56 BB and is all-in



H5: one of the sickest bluffs of my life

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 120.04 BB
CO: 105.84 BB
BTN: 188.2 BB
SB: 71.56 BB
Hero (BB): 110.2 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, UTG calls 7 BB

Flop: (18.4 BB, 2 players) 6 2 9
Hero bets 4.4 BB, UTG calls 4.4 BB

Turn: (27.2 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, UTG bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

River: (53.2 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, UTG bets 38.12 BB, Hero raises to 83.8 BB and is all-in, fold



Bonus hand lol





vamooooooooo

need a good psychological coach for winners tilt , the same way you need it for big losing sessions,

every poker player will have it at some point

Welcome to the club!

I've be thinking a lot about it, and it is something I struggle. I don't know how the massgrinders really do it, how the can pull the motivation to grind for hours every single day, especially the ones who can do it regardless of the result. Unless motivation is not really the answer, and relying on motivation, or motivation alone, might be hurting us instead of helping. My view on motivation is that it's caused by our brains anticipating a certain reward, a certain high. If you get a high when you book, and see, a winning session, as I do, I think we have a possible logical explanation on why you can't play much volume.

One logical step, if what I said above makes sense, is to instill in you the discipline to not look at results, to make the biggest possible effort to completely dettach from your cashier and your graphs for as long as possible.

Maybe reframing the why you play online poker might also be a solution. Instill a sense of duty, instead of working for gratification.

But I don't know, maybe the brains of the guys who made it in poker while putting a lot of volume for years did it because they are wired differently, and they don't get any high off of short term results, but only by reaching the glorious end.

Or maybe we do have two (or more) subtypes, and all those ways work similarly well for the different brain wirings. I don't know, but I'm sure we are not the only people who suffer from this type of problem, and figuring it out would be helpful to a lot more players.

Here's an old school quote which really hit home for me:

it's very simple. It's the deep fear that you'll lose money.

If you do not need to have results, your mind will let you play at any time. Booking sessions/finishing early/etc all roots down to that. Even living in your mom's basement, somewhere in your brain, you have a deep fear of losing money and not being able to make it as a pro. If you had a big boy income from a job, you'd play all your free time.

Anyone whos done poker or trading for decade+ and gotten a good job can back me up on this. Some minds are weaker, i personally was just like that even if at the time i did not know it was because of that fear.

hmm for me I’d say it probably factors in, this fear of loss thing, but moreso than anything it’s the fear of feeling like crap for the rest of the day, no matter how much money I’ve made from poker, everytime I have a losing session or several in a row, I feel angry, stressed out etc. sometimes I just book the win to have a good day

it’s weak mental game probably but like I can lose waaaay more from stocks or from crypto and I won’t feel a thing

I could play starcraft or chess and lose a bunch of games and feel the exact same way as having a losing session in poker

Exactly. Poker players have ridiculously short term memory. You could be on the sun run of your life and then a couple bad sessions could ruin your mood or at least be very irritating. Not putting in volume is your subconscious trying to protect you from those negative feelings even though it's really dumb. But where do those negative feelings come from? My guess is that it is a deep rooted fear that you can't "make it". Which is why Xeno can lose piles trading and not care but that doesn't apply to poker. Could be wrong though.

Here's a mental trick that could help. Has anyone seen the show "Band of Brothers"? Amazing mini-series about the last year of WW2. If those brave men were out there dying, why are you allowing yourself to be upset if you have a few bad sessions? Just soldier on.

"The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function: without mercy, without compassion, without remorse. All war depends upon it." - Ronald Spiers