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12-07-2021 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by yasuo
I would jam or fold. Don't like calling as I am not sure if villain has enough bluffs unless we have a read that he 3bets very wide
He just put half his stack in otr, is there fold equity? I mean it's 200 plo, no one will ever have enough bluffs in every spot so not sure if that's enough of a reason to fold hero's specific hand. Sure, he could 3b wider, they're 200bb eff. Also don’t think jam accomplishes much. All his value hands that decided to take this line will call, and all of his bluffs will fold.

Last edited by Feno1; 12-07-2021 at 04:01 AM. Reason: edit
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12-07-2021 , 10:36 AM
I jammed.

River: (74 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BB bets 73 BB, Hero raises to 223.85 BB, fold

Hero wins 369.85 BB

It's just such a weird spot; like a situation you almost never find yourself in in midstakes PLO when holding the nut blocker. Three streets non nuts value or non nut blocker bluffs are very rare.

My decision was based on this hand vs the same opponent; villain really do like to attack a lot, he is very, very aggressive:

PartyGaming - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 158.99 BB
SB: 28.2 BB
BB: 310.37 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q A J 8

Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 3 Q 2
BB checks, Hero bets 5.42 BB, BB calls 5.42 BB

Turn: (18.33 BB, 2 players) 8
BB checks, Hero bets 16 BB, BB raises to 48.94 BB, Hero calls 32.94 BB

River: (116.21 BB, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets 101.14 BB, fold

Hero wins 216.35 BB

I don't think flop and turn are up for discussion. Call, call should be the GTO approach. River I prefer jamming. I would rather call with high flushes and in general hands that don't block the nut ´A. As for the jam; I can't remember who said it, but these spots where you are objectively just ****ed when villain (in this case hero) jams, are over-folded on lower stakes, even getting something like 5 to 1, bc the dynamic usually doesn't warrant bluffs in these type of spots, and you just never see them. (just remember never to do it vs someone who is even mildly tilting) Also, I have to have bluffs (right?) and I can't see this not going into that category.
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12-08-2021 , 04:08 AM
re AQJ8: villain's turn play is kinda sus, his raising range should almost always contain Ac? and you're trying to fold out weaker flush with your river close to pot bet or is this some kind of razer thin value?
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12-08-2021 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by yasuo
re AQJ8: villain's turn play is kinda sus, his raising range should almost always contain Ac? and you're trying to fold out weaker flush with your river close to pot bet or is this some kind of razer thin value?
Yea, river jam is pretty ambitious. Also if he was bluffing and is giving up, what is the point of turning a hand that has so much sdv into a bluff? Also, I wonder how often a villain who took this line folds a flush otr.

Last edited by Feno1; 12-08-2021 at 07:06 AM. Reason: Edit
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12-08-2021 , 06:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lol47
I jammed.

River: (74 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BB bets 73 BB, Hero raises to 223.85 BB, fold

Hero wins 369.85 BB

It's just such a weird spot; like a situation you almost never find yourself in in midstakes PLO when holding the nut blocker. Three streets non nuts value or non nut blocker bluffs are very rare.

My decision was based on this hand vs the same opponent; villain really do like to attack a lot, he is very, very aggressive:

PartyGaming - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 158.99 BB
SB: 28.2 BB
BB: 310.37 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q A J 8

Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 3 Q 2
BB checks, Hero bets 5.42 BB, BB calls 5.42 BB

Turn: (18.33 BB, 2 players) 8
BB checks, Hero bets 16 BB, BB raises to 48.94 BB, Hero calls 32.94 BB

River: (116.21 BB, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets 101.14 BB, fold

Hero wins 216.35 BB

I don't think flop and turn are up for discussion. Call, call should be the GTO approach. River I prefer jamming. I would rather call with high flushes and in general hands that don't block the nut ´A. As for the jam; I can't remember who said it, but these spots where you are objectively just ****ed when villain (in this case hero) jams, are over-folded on lower stakes, even getting something like 5 to 1, bc the dynamic usually doesn't warrant bluffs in these type of spots, and you just never see them. (just remember never to do it vs someone who is even mildly tilting) Also, I have to have bluffs (right?) and I can't see this not going into that category.
Idk if solver always double barrels turn when we have top 2 esp for a large sizing. Small sizing makes sense bc you can still deny equity vs hands like 45x, not like you ever get a flush to fold either whether you go big or small. Yea, no clue lol. I doubt even you’re 100% sure if large sizing is the play, or if you’re even supposed to double barrel at high freq when turning top 2 w/ nut blocker, btn vs bb at 160bb effective in a srp.

Last edited by Feno1; 12-08-2021 at 07:01 AM. Reason: In depth
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12-08-2021 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Feno1
I don’t think solver always stabs turns ip
I am talking about the AAA5 hand. Sorry if that was confusing
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12-08-2021 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by lol47
I am talking about the AAA5 hand. Sorry if that was confusing
Ah, okay. I was editing my comment to make it more in depth but that makes sense lol. GL this week dude ��

Last edited by Feno1; 12-08-2021 at 07:17 AM.
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12-10-2021 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by yasuo
re AQJ8: villain's turn play is kinda sus, his raising range should almost always contain Ac? and you're trying to fold out weaker flush with your river close to pot bet or is this some kind of razer thin value?
I wouldn't call his turn play sus, I would call it straight up terrible.

When this guy checks he always c/f's, so I dno really, I just fired; might have some showdown value, def not a thin valuebet though
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12-10-2021 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Feno1
Ah, okay. I was editing my comment to make it more in depth but that makes sense lol. GL this week dude ��
Thx buddy!

Hand of the month so far

PartyGaming - $5 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 105.6 BB
CO: 209.27 BB
BTN: 216.75 BB
Hero (SB): 232.63 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 Q J T

fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, BTN calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) A Q K
Hero bets 8.4 BB, BTN calls 8.4 BB

Turn: (37.8 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 29.6 BB, BTN raises to 126.2 BB, Hero raises to 214.23 BB, fold

Hero wins 377.83 BB

What on earth
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12-10-2021 , 10:02 AM
JJxx or TTxx with terrible bet sizing obv. nice gift!
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12-10-2021 , 02:32 PM
Challenge is officially completed:





Have been running like a god in all ins these past days which has helped push me over the line. I'm going to Norway with my family for the holidays so from the 19th and the rest of the year I won't be playing at all.

I'll keep updating the thread, but I might also make a new one for next year when I'm going pro. Dunno yet. Thanks to everyone who has contributed and discussed hands with me. Been a pleasure! <3
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12-10-2021 , 02:46 PM
excellent job!

please provide some photos of norway whilst you're there. beautiful country!
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12-11-2021 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MastaAces
excellent job!

please provide some photos of norway whilst you're there. beautiful country!
Thanks mate!

I'll be pretty much off the grid but might find the time for some photos!

Oh yeah, amazing country. We go there every year for christmas, we don't really do christmas, just relaxing; one of my favourite times of the year!

Might do a write up with tips and tricks for beating plo200 if the interest is there. Would probably be focused on player pool and exploitative stategies. We always do a lot of GTO talk, but the bulk of the money you'll make comes from deploying a solid exploitative strategy vs the seemingly endless plethora of incredibly bad players. Like you can't imagine how bad even some regulars are. And they won't go away. I guess rakeback and whales keep them slightly winning, but it has honestly been a shock to me.

Also, I've learned so much myself (and about myself). After taking a good and solid luck on my own game, primarily correcting PF mistakes, my winrate has gone significantly up, which should be apparent from the graph ~150k hands. Would estimate it to be around 7-8 as of now. The main take away for me has been: no you can't justify a 12% 3bet percentage with a significant edge postflop, it just doesn't work that way, especially not when 4-5-6 tabling fast forward. Stick with GTO ranges , it works! There are plenty of other substantial things I've learned but as said, I'll do a write up if the interest is there.

Great holidays to everyone out there <3
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12-11-2021 , 05:46 PM
big congrats, a write-up would be cool if you want.

Enjoy the break
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12-12-2021 , 04:09 AM
Looking forward to your Write-up and have fun in norway
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12-12-2021 , 11:37 AM
Hoping for a write up. Congrats on hitting your goal!
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12-13-2021 , 07:31 AM
Please don't do a write up and give away all the secrets I play in almost the same games - 50plo, 100plo and small amount 200plo FF PP quite often because they are very fun (I am literally terrible). I would be interesed in paying for coaching if that is something you would consider?

Congratulations with your success and have a great holiday season and Christmas / New Year.
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12-14-2021 , 12:50 PM
What a beast.
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12-14-2021 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by lol47
Thanks mate!

I'll be pretty much off the grid but might find the time for some photos!

Oh yeah, amazing country. We go there every year for christmas, we don't really do christmas, just relaxing; one of my favourite times of the year!

Might do a write up with tips and tricks for beating plo200 if the interest is there. Would probably be focused on player pool and exploitative stategies. We always do a lot of GTO talk, but the bulk of the money you'll make comes from deploying a solid exploitative strategy vs the seemingly endless plethora of incredibly bad players. Like you can't imagine how bad even some regulars are. And they won't go away. I guess rakeback and whales keep them slightly winning, but it has honestly been a shock to me.

Also, I've learned so much myself (and about myself). After taking a good and solid luck on my own game, primarily correcting PF mistakes, my winrate has gone significantly up, which should be apparent from the graph ~150k hands. Would estimate it to be around 7-8 as of now. The main take away for me has been: no you can't justify a 12% 3bet percentage with a significant edge postflop, it just doesn't work that way, especially not when 4-5-6 tabling fast forward. Stick with GTO ranges , it works! There are plenty of other substantial things I've learned but as said, I'll do a write up if the interest is there.

Great holidays to everyone out there <3
as a fellow Scandinavian, i can understand it being one of your favorite times of the year. enjoy!

greatly looking forward to your write-up. thanks in advance!
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12-24-2021 , 03:44 PM
Hey man,

Great to see you achieved your goals. Here’s to a big 2022 and hope the run as a Pro goes well for you.

Would be keen on your thoughts of exploits etc for the pools you’ve been playing. Although I appreciate you may not want to list it on here as it’s obviously working very well for you.

Anyway have a nice Xmas and new year with your family . Look forward to hearing more from you in the new year
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01-29-2022 , 12:31 AM
how's it going? i was really looking forward to your write-up! is it on its way? peace from sweden.
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04-19-2022 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MastaAces
how's it going? i was really looking forward to your write-up! is it on its way? peace from sweden.
Sorry I never got back to this thread dude. Life happened and kinda forgot about it. Still on it. Had a 200k break even stretch that made me question my sanity, lol. At 4,88bb/100 (4,89 evbb), 700k hands, 6-tabling, - so everything is fine and life is good. Might make a new thread primarily focusing on posting HH's for discussion and my journey as a pro

Last edited by lol47; 04-19-2022 at 02:29 PM.
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05-26-2022 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by lol47
Sorry I never got back to this thread dude. Life happened and kinda forgot about it. Still on it. Had a 200k break even stretch that made me question my sanity, lol. At 4,88bb/100 (4,89 evbb), 700k hands, 6-tabling, - so everything is fine and life is good. Might make a new thread primarily focusing on posting HH's for discussion and my journey as a pro
Good idea! Would def follow the journey
Friendly reminder - Write up plz
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05-26-2022 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by lol47
Sorry I never got back to this thread dude. Life happened and kinda forgot about it. Still on it. Had a 200k break even stretch that made me question my sanity, lol. At 4,88bb/100 (4,89 evbb), 700k hands, 6-tabling, - so everything is fine and life is good. Might make a new thread primarily focusing on posting HH's for discussion and my journey as a pro
rough stretch but you seem to be making great time in the marathon that is poker!

new thread +1

kom igen!! snälla lycka till oavsett!
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11-12-2022 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MastaAces
rough stretch but you seem to be making great time in the marathon that is poker!

new thread +1

kom igen!! snälla lycka till oavsett!
haha takk!!

close to one million hands deep since the start of this challenge

poker has been nice to me lately, running very good, also played my a-game continuously which is obv good. took a near three month summer break and getting back to the game has been a bit rough, motivation was down to almost zero at one point during the 100k+ hands break even stretch; however, grinding through it has been good for my mental game

bonus info:

176k$ of rake paid, 20% back
playing 33/25 3b 10 4b 7,3, 4 and 5 handed mostly



some deep hans from yesterdays session

PartyGaming - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 115.57 BB
SB: 94.78 BB
Hero (BB): 344.05 BB
CO: 208.37 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A T A K

CO raises to 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 14.5 BB, CO calls 11 BB, BTN calls 11 BB

Flop: (44 BB, 3 players) J 9 Q
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (44 BB, 3 players) 6
Hero checks, CO bets 26.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 26.5 BB

River: (97 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, CO bets 48 BB, Hero raises to 240 BB, CO calls 119.37 BB

Hero shows A T A K (Straight, King High)
(Pre 56%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
CO mucks 8 4 5 7 (Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 44%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 503.37 BB


PartyGaming - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 387.11 BB
SB: 69.08 BB
Hero (BB): 578.92 BB
CO: 106.17 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A Q 5

fold, BTN raises to 3.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, BTN raises to 33.5 BB, Hero raises to 101 BB, BTN calls 67.5 BB

Flop: (202.5 BB, 2 players) J T 4
Hero bets 201.5 BB, BTN raises to 286.11 BB, Hero calls 84.61 BB

Turn: (774.71 BB, 2 players) 6

River: (774.71 BB, 2 players) J

BTN mucks 3 K K 5 (Flush, King High)
(Pre 25%, Flop 6%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows A A Q 5 (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 75%, Flop 94%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 773.71 BB


PartyGaming - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 298.05 BB
SB: 361.32 BB
Hero (BB): 307.58 BB
UTG: 205.91 BB
CO: 141.89 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J 9 8 J

UTG raises to 3.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 3.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 14.5 BB, UTG raises to 47.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 33 BB

Flop: (99 BB, 2 players) 5 T Q
Hero checks, UTG bets 22 BB, Hero calls 22 BB

Turn: (143 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, UTG bets 44 BB, Hero calls 44 BB

River: (231 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, UTG bets 92.41 BB, Hero calls 92.41 BB

Hero shows J 9 8 J (Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 41%, Flop 96%, Turn 100%)
UTG mucks A Q K A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 59%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 414.32 BB

dunno about the last one preflop, might be spew, don't think it is, haven't checked

instead of a write up I'll do some points on mistakes I see regs making all the ****ing time, followed by some points on the necessity of exploitative play vs bad players (instead of burning money playing 'gto'). i'll come through on my promise this time but it will have to wait bc i'm about to be out the door. for a concert. also, it will not be highly advanced, mainly because it doesn't have to be. the mistakes that people make are very basic (though they seem totally unaware) + don't want to give too much away
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