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11-29-2021 , 04:41 AM
Thanks for the analysis 👍
I was also thinking that his bet sizing was telling Full House or random hand (drawy) that tries to get the 3bettor off AAxx Hands.

1st hand I would fold (maybe in better Rake structure PLO 200/500 + it is a 3bet?)

2nd hand i would think maybe is the real bottom of RFI Range UTG but it may also be AK78 ss. So it would depend on villains that sit behind me if I would Open.
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11-29-2021 , 05:44 AM
Quote:
Button opens to 3,5bb and you hold AQ72ds suited to the A and the Q in SB. Your action?

I'm going to fold just because the side cards are so bad.

Quote:
You hold Ak76ss suited to the A UTG.
fold
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11-29-2021 , 08:06 AM
Fold first open second. Btw OP do you mainly grind the party games? I’m under the impression that party is quite bot heavy.

The hand analysis is really cool
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11-29-2021 , 03:48 PM
Yup. You guys pretty much got it.

First one is a fold:



Second one is a mix raise call / raise fold:



The rake structure is PLO200 btw
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11-29-2021 , 04:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yasuo
Fold first open second. Btw OP do you mainly grind the party games? I’m under the impression that party is quite bot heavy.

The hand analysis is really cool
Exclusively Party. Or "Danske Spil" which is a danish site operating on the Party client. It's the only way for me to get any sort of rakeback. Stars doesn't offer rakeback to danish players, neither does anyone else. When going pro next year I might be forced to put in some volume on Stars though (or move out of the country).

I haven't noticed any bots at PLO200. Most regs are chatty. I'm sure there are some, yet I have no way of finding out due to Party anonymizing HH's. There are NO player's who play close to GTO pre which should be fairly easy to program; also, I have seen basically all the regs tilt in some sort of way, so if there are bots they aren't frequently active and neither do they seem to be any good. Some regs do seem to play almost always at the same time, which had me a bit concerned for a while, but that might also just be bc the pool only run (with more than 20 players) for maybe like 3 or 4 hours a day. The biggest threat to PLO isn't as much good programmed bots as it is bots (or players) who share hole cards.
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11-29-2021 , 04:07 PM
Still a station

PartyGaming - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 109.53 BB
SB: 238.7 BB
BB: 69.86 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 T 7 Q

Hero raises to 3.5 BB, SB raises to 11.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 8 BB

Flop: (24 BB, 2 players) 2 Q 6
SB bets 6.67 BB, Hero calls 6.67 BB

Turn: (37.34 BB, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (37.34 BB, 2 players) 5
SB bets 18.17 BB, Hero calls 18.17 BB

Hero shows 8 T 7 Q (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 54%, Flop 86%, Turn 93%)
SB mucks 8 J 7 9 (High Card, King)
(Pre 46%, Flop 14%, Turn 8%)
Hero wins 72.68 BB

Will post new quiz hands later
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11-29-2021 , 06:14 PM
Stunning sequence of hands to end of the day (all played within 100 hands lol)

PartyGaming - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 188.01 BB
Hero (SB): 205.12 BB
BB: 231.96 BB
UTG: 96.5 BB
CO: 413.99 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T J 9 9

UTG raises to 3.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold

Flop: (8 BB, 2 players) 9 A T
Hero checks, UTG bets 5.7 BB, Hero raises to 24.7 BB, UTG calls 19 BB

Turn: (57.4 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 55.9 BB, UTG calls 55.9 BB

River: (169.2 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 121.02 BB, UTG calls 12.4 BB

Hero shows T J 9 9 (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 49%, Flop 63%, Turn 75%)
UTG shows 2 K Q 4 (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 51%, Flop 37%, Turn 25%)
Hero wins 108.62 BB
UTG wins 192.5 BB

PartyGaming - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 122.9 BB
SB: 100.5 BB
BB: 88.64 BB
UTG: 208.8 BB
CO: 72.2 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J A 4

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, SB calls 3 BB, BB raises to 14 BB, Hero raises to 45.5 BB, fold, BB calls 31.5 BB

Flop: (94.5 BB, 2 players) 2 5 J
BB bets 43.14 BB, Hero calls 43.14 BB

Turn: (180.78 BB, 2 players) T

River: (180.78 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero mucks J J A 4 (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 59%, Flop 83%, Turn 58%)
BB shows 7 9 A 8 (Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 41%, Flop 17%, Turn 43%)
BB wins 179.28 BB

PartyGaming - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 124.37 BB
SB: 131.37 BB
BB: 530.53 BB
Hero (UTG): 238.11 BB
CO: 126.69 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A 9 2

Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, BTN raises to 12 BB, fold, BB raises to 40 BB, Hero raises to 132.5 BB, BTN calls 112.37 BB, BB calls 92.5 BB

Flop: (389.87 BB, 3 players) 4 5 7
BB bets 388.37 BB, Hero calls 105.61 BB

Turn: (601.09 BB, 3 players) J

River: (601.09 BB, 3 players) 8

BTN shows 8 6 7 K (Straight, Eight High)

Main Pot [373.61 BB]: (Pre 22%, Flop 82%, Turn 100%)

BB shows 8 K A J (Two Pair, Jacks and Eights)

Main Pot [373.61 BB]: (Pre 29%, Flop 12%, Turn 0%)
Side Pot#1 [227.48 BB]: (Pre 33%, Flop 15%, Turn 17%)

Hero mucks A A 9 2 (One Pair, Aces)

Main Pot [373.61 BB]: (Pre 49%, Flop 6%, Turn 0%)
Side Pot#1 [227.48 BB]: (Pre 67%, Flop 85%, Turn 83%)

BTN wins 372.11 BB
BB wins 510.24 BB

PartyGaming - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 131.27 BB
SB: 579.48 BB
BB: 96.5 BB
UTG: 100 BB
Hero (CO): 237.46 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q 4 A A

fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, BTN raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 37.5 BB, BTN calls 25.5 BB

Flop: (76.5 BB, 2 players) T 7 3
Hero bets 75 BB, BTN raises to 93.77 BB, Hero calls 18.77 BB

Turn: (264.03 BB, 2 players) K

River: (264.03 BB, 2 players) Q

BTN shows A K 7 4 (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens)
(Pre 28%, Flop 26%, Turn 60%)
Hero mucks Q 4 A A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 72%, Flop 74%, Turn 40%)
BTN wins 262.53 BB

PartyGaming - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 321.25 BB
BB: 116.8 BB
UTG: 529.96 BB
CO: 130.26 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 A 6 5

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) A A 9
BB checks, Hero bets 3.71 BB, BB raises to 14.61 BB, Hero calls 10.9 BB

Turn: (36.71 BB, 2 players) 5
BB bets 26.41 BB, Hero raises to 81.9 BB, BB calls 55.49 BB

River: (200.5 BB, 2 players) 6

Hero mucks 7 A 6 5 (Full House, Aces full of Sixes)
(Pre 40%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
BB shows 9 Q J A (Full House, Aces full of Nines)
(Pre 60%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
BB wins 199 BB

PartyGaming - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 123.11 BB
SB: 311.36 BB
BB: 116.51 BB
Hero (UTG): 381.5 BB
CO: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A 2 7

Hero raises to 3.5 BB, CO raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 37.5 BB, CO calls 25.5 BB

Flop: (76.5 BB, 2 players) K 4 J
Hero bets 75 BB, CO calls 62.5 BB

Turn: (201.5 BB, 2 players) 3

River: (201.5 BB, 2 players) T

Hero shows A A 2 7 (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 57%, Flop 58%, Turn 73%)
CO shows 8 T 6 K (Two Pair, Kings and Tens)
(Pre 43%, Flop 42%, Turn 28%)
Hero wins 12.5 BB
CO wins 200 BB

What's weird is that Pokertracker counts the aa92ds hand as a 100% EV loss? Oh well
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11-29-2021 , 06:25 PM
Quiz for tomorrow:

BTN opens to 3,5bb. You have JJ85ds suited to the jacks in SB. Your action?

MP opens to 3,5bb. You have QQ98 suited to the 9 in CO. Your action?

You open JJ107ss suited to the 10 in CO. BTN 3bets. Your action?

Night night
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11-29-2021 , 11:35 PM
TJ99: I prefer blocking or checking river. villain's range is very high flush heavy
A765: it's actually pretty gross vs c/r on the flop. 99% of the time we're drawing dead or vs better trips

preflop quiz: fold first, call second, third one feels like a very marginal peel
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11-30-2021 , 01:17 AM
Quote:
What's weird is that Pokertracker counts the aa92ds hand as a 100% EV loss? Oh well
yah it will do that even if there is just a few bb left to be bet on the flop. its dumb.
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11-30-2021 , 02:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yasuo
TJ99: I prefer blocking or checking river. villain's range is very high flush heavy
A765: it's actually pretty gross vs c/r on the flop. 99% of the time we're drawing dead or vs better trips

preflop quiz: fold first, call second, third one feels like a very marginal peel
10J99. Think you missed that villain has 12bb left on the river.

A765, ye agree, might even just be a call on the turn. Way ahead or dead scenario.
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11-30-2021 , 02:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
yah it will do that even if there is just a few bb left to be bet on the flop. its dumb.
Ye saw that when googling the issue. That makes evbb wildy unreliable. Like you can run like **** in three way pots and plummet your evbb. Take this hand e.g., I get a full buy in in with 85% in the side pot and looses and the evbb shows 100% ev loss bc I flopped dead in the side pot.
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11-30-2021 , 02:42 AM
Brutal stretch ��
For the Quiz I would go with H1: Fold, H2: fold, H3 call (jjt6 i would fold)
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11-30-2021 , 12:19 PM
Hi, great thread. My life opened up a bit and thinking of making a similar run at PLO100. I'm curious how many hours a week you are able to dedicate to playing? Or better yet do you know how many hours you have logged? Hourly BB/$?
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11-30-2021 , 01:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottrist
Hi, great thread. My life opened up a bit and thinking of making a similar run at PLO100. I'm curious how many hours a week you are able to dedicate to playing? Or better yet do you know how many hours you have logged? Hourly BB/$?
Hey man. Thanks! Right now around 20 hours and way less than that if I have plans in the weekend. I work a full time job and workout and cook every single day, so after that there isn't really much time for poker.

420 hours since may 30th. My hourly is 140$ (including 20% rakeback) mainly 6-tabling PLO200 FF (98% of total volume)
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11-30-2021 , 03:50 PM
Quiz results:

JJ85ds is a fold



QQ98ss to the 9 is a fold



JJ107ss to the 10 is a call albeit a close one



One of you nailed it. I didn't think JJ85ds was a fold, however the more I think about it the more I understand why.
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11-30-2021 , 03:55 PM
Also, I hate that the colours in Matrix for Raise Call and Call Call are almost identical. Dunno if it's just me but I literally can't tell the difference.
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11-30-2021 , 08:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lol47
Hey man. Thanks! Right now around 20 hours and way less than that if I have plans in the weekend. I work a full time job and workout and cook every single day, so after that there isn't really much time for poker.

420 hours since may 30th. My hourly is 140$ (including 20% rakeback) mainly 6-tabling PLO200 FF (98% of total volume)
Hey thanks for the response. Awesome results!
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12-06-2021 , 07:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lol47
Exclusively Party. Or "Danske Spil" which is a danish site operating on the Party client. It's the only way for me to get any sort of rakeback. Stars doesn't offer rakeback to danish players, neither does anyone else. When going pro next year I might be forced to put in some volume on Stars though (or move out of the country).

I haven't noticed any bots at PLO200. Most regs are chatty. I'm sure there are some, yet I have no way of finding out due to Party anonymizing HH's. There are NO player's who play close to GTO pre which should be fairly easy to program; also, I have seen basically all the regs tilt in some sort of way, so if there are bots they aren't frequently active and neither do they seem to be any good. Some regs do seem to play almost always at the same time, which had me a bit concerned for a while, but that might also just be bc the pool only run (with more than 20 players) for maybe like 3 or 4 hours a day. The biggest threat to PLO isn't as much good programmed bots as it is bots (or players) who share hole cards.

and any reason for not grinding PS/GG/apps?
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12-06-2021 , 07:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yasuo
and any reason for not grinding PS/GG/apps?
GG doesn't accept danish players. Apps I would have to pay income tax which would be between 37-50% (the same goes for GG if they accepted danish players without obtaining a danish license).

Pokerstars doesn't offer rakeback or any form of bonuses for danish players. E.g. in the 5m$ tourney yesterday the 20k$ bounty on pro's didn't apply to the danish market.
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12-06-2021 , 06:18 PM
So I haven't been that active simply bc I haven't played. Life got in the way. Played today though and ran very good.

Also I played an interesting hand last week that I forgot to post:

Villain is decent reg

PartyGaming - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 47.9 BB
Hero (SB): 260.85 BB
BB: 180.33 BB
CO: 224.07 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A 5 A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 4 A J
Hero checks, BB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Turn: (30 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BB bets 22 BB, Hero calls 22 BB

River: (74 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BB bets 73 BB,

You?

Last edited by lol47; 12-06-2021 at 06:25 PM.
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12-07-2021 , 03:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lol47
So I haven't been that active simply bc I haven't played. Life got in the way. Played today though and ran very good.

Also I played an interesting hand last week that I forgot to post:

Villain is decent reg

PartyGaming - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 47.9 BB
Hero (SB): 260.85 BB
BB: 180.33 BB
CO: 224.07 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A 5 A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 4 A J
Hero checks, BB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Turn: (30 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BB bets 22 BB, Hero calls 22 BB

River: (74 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BB bets 73 BB,

You?
Probably lean call, but not sure. I guess if reg is willing to go for 3 streets w/ lower flushes, call obv becomes worse (doubt he's doing this without at least 2nd nut flush, do regs now adays go for 3 streets w T-Q high flushes at 200bb in 3b pots? probably not. I mean if we're going to ever call w/ top set here, I feel like your hand that blocks nut flush and unblocks his bluffs (hands like KQTx w/ a club) is a good hand to call down with.

Last edited by Feno1; 12-07-2021 at 03:10 AM. Reason: more info
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12-07-2021 , 03:14 AM
I would jam or fold. Don't like calling as I am not sure if villain has enough bluffs unless we have a read that he 3bets very wide
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12-07-2021 , 03:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lol47
So I haven't been that active simply bc I haven't played. Life got in the way. Played today though and ran very good.

Also I played an interesting hand last week that I forgot to post:

Villain is decent reg

PartyGaming - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 47.9 BB
Hero (SB): 260.85 BB
BB: 180.33 BB
CO: 224.07 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A 5 A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 4 A J
Hero checks, BB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Turn: (30 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BB bets 22 BB, Hero calls 22 BB

River: (74 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BB bets 73 BB,

You?
Actually, hand is kind of annoying lol. He can have a ton of 2nd-4th nut flushes as well, a bunch of ds KQT combos that go for 3. Although to be fair, when he pots river I feel like it's a bluff given our blockers, or always 2nd nut flush (I honestly don't see a 200 reg potting a ten high flush for value here). I think I would pot in his shoes otr w/ 2nd nuts, esp if I don't block any pairs. So, what you end up doing? What's your thought process on this hand?
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