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06-13-2010 , 08:53 AM
Ok, the following chart is for the 7th June until present day. The graph is for the month so far.





I'm not going to go into too much depth about hands I played. There is one that I would like to touch on though. I playedi t about 10 mins ago and once I realised how bad I played it (on showdown), I had to finish my session because I hated it.

Full Tilt Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $6.20
SB: $6.29
Hero (BB): $14.32
UTG: $4.98
MP: $7.63
CO: $13.57

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with K A
2 folds, CO raises to $0.40, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.40, CO raises to $2.60, Hero calls $1.20

Flop: ($5.25) K 4 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30

Turn: ($7.85) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.60, Hero raises to $5.50, CO calls $3.90

River: ($18.85) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Final Pot: $18.85
Hero shows K A
CO shows A A
CO wins $17.60
(Rake: $1.25)



Pre-flop, I like my play because so often I'm against AA/KK. I decide to call to evaluate the flop. I'd rather have flopped nothing...

There's absolutely no need for me to raise the Turn. I raised to try and get it in vs QQc, but this was beyond ******ed. A player is almost certainly going to try and get to showdown with that hand on this board. It'll cost me just $1.30 to see the River and maybe get to showdown. Folding is maybe the best option too. I let myself get suckered in by the small bets, all the time whilst thinking "AA with the Ace of Clubs makes sense here". Stupid.

I was slightly on tilt for the whole session, because I just couldn't get anything going. I was going for three streets of value in some spots against some fish, and couldn't believe the times I lost the pot because they'd caught a set on the Turn on an overcard board, or where a tight player would probably be more likely to have JJ/QQ in a 3bet pot on a 2-3-5-6-6 board than the 33 he actually did have. Lost $25 today but feel kinda unlucky to have been down that much. The AK hand above perhaps justifies it, though.
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06-14-2010 , 04:41 AM
Wow. That's all I can say about one session this morning and my two from yesterday. Lost around 7 buy-ins total in a complete trainwreck of a sample.

Cannot win with sets, flushes or with 50% shots preflop. Have had passive idiots call my big raises with junk like 95hh and then flop gin on a Q-9-9 flop. Had aggressive nuts 3betting me all over the place, and when I finally trapped them preflop with AA, they nail a two outer on the Turn with just a flopped pair. I'll make a post with HHs later, but I'll probably post it in BBV and link here to keep the thread reasonably clean.

Pretty much even for the last 20k hands now. It's feeling kind of brutal, and I can't help but think I'm doing something wrong. Review, revise, repeat is all I can do. Can't wait til the 1st of July when I'll get some free CR time.
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06-14-2010 , 04:56 AM
I am sorry to say, but you need to work alot on your game. You need to be more agressive and take down more pots w/o showdown. Go to strategy forums and start viewing hands and reading some articles you may find there.
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06-14-2010 , 05:00 AM
Username - I appreciate the input. I presume your analysis comes from my chart and graph above?
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06-14-2010 , 05:42 AM
Yes, your nonshowdown winning are very bad, it means that you give up pots very easilly and you are basicly out of the hand w/o nuts or close to it. You need to strenght that up
in order to start winning. Those small pots in poker you give are the ones that makes your profit in the long run, try to work on that and good luck.
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06-14-2010 , 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by gguk2008
Full Tilt Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $6.20
SB: $6.29
Hero (BB): $14.32
UTG: $4.98
MP: $7.63
CO: $13.57

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with K A
2 folds, CO raises to $0.40, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.40, CO raises to $2.60, Hero calls $1.20

Flop: ($5.25) K 4 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30

Turn: ($7.85) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.60, Hero raises to $5.50, CO calls $3.90

River: ($18.85) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Final Pot: $18.85
Hero shows K A
CO shows A A
CO wins $17.60
(Rake: $1.25)



Pre-flop, I like my play because so often I'm against AA/KK. I decide to call to evaluate the flop. I'd rather have flopped nothing...

There's absolutely no need for me to raise the Turn. I raised to try and get it in vs QQc, but this was beyond ******ed. A player is almost certainly going to try and get to showdown with that hand on this board. It'll cost me just $1.30 to see the River and maybe get to showdown. Folding is maybe the best option too. I let myself get suckered in by the small bets, all the time whilst thinking "AA with the Ace of Clubs makes sense here". Stupid.

I was slightly on tilt for the whole session, because I just couldn't get anything going. I was going for three streets of value in some spots against some fish, and couldn't believe the times I lost the pot because they'd caught a set on the Turn on an overcard board, or where a tight player would probably be more likely to have JJ/QQ in a 3bet pot on a 2-3-5-6-6 board than the 33 he actually did have. Lost $25 today but feel kinda unlucky to have been down that much. The AK hand above perhaps justifies it, though.
If your so often again AA/KK just fold, you are at a distinct disadvantage. Also never flat a 4bet unless very deep and especially if you are OOP its just spewing money.

In this case its either fold or 5bet shove. Calling the 4bet will be a massive leak.
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06-21-2010 , 03:18 AM
Just to let you all know, the grind is going great so far. I'm up 18 buy-ins over around 27,000 hands. This leaves me a little off my 8BB/100 pace, but I'm at around 6.7 and that's not too shabby. I'll be moving up as soon as I'm up over 20 buy-ins.

I'm almost entirely playing 12 tables at a time. It's not too difficult at all! I've tightened up a lot and - per advice in this thread - started being much more aggressive. There's still much room for improvement, though.

I'll post a graph/chart soon.
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06-21-2010 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Username^^
I am sorry to say, but you need to work alot on your game. You need to be more agressive and take down more pots w/o showdown. Go to strategy forums and start viewing hands and reading some articles you may find there.
His red line doesn't matter if he's winning. It's not a leak. With that said, he's not winning and his game has leaks beyond being more aggressive.

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Originally Posted by Viva La Crayon
If your so often again AA/KK just fold, you are at a distinct disadvantage. Also never flat a 4bet unless very deep and especially if you are OOP its just spewing money.

In this case its either fold or 5bet shove. Calling the 4bet will be a massive leak.
+1. Especially at low stakes where nobody is 4betting light your either flipping against QQ or your stomped. His range is mega-polarized. This is Fold>Shove>Call.
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06-21-2010 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by InFlamesWeTrust
His red line doesn't matter if he's winning. It's not a leak. With that said, he's not winning and his game has leaks beyond being more aggressive.



+1. Especially at low stakes where nobody is 4betting light your either flipping against QQ or your stomped. His range is mega-polarized. This is Fold>Shove>Call.
I think its rather Shove > Fold > Call.

Never call 4bets OOP so a call is an always be last bottom priority with AKo

If you have a really good read the guy only 4bets QQ+ then fold if not shove.
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06-21-2010 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Viva La Crayon
I think its rather Shove > Fold > Call.

Never call 4bets OOP so a call is an always be last bottom priority with AKo

If you have a really good read the guy only 4bets QQ+ then fold if not shove.
You don't need a good read. This is micro stakes, what hands does a random fish at micros 4bet with that we have better equity then 45% against?
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06-21-2010 , 12:20 PM
Random fish 4bet all kinds of random stuff KQ, AJ, AQ, TT, JJ, JK it depends entirely on how bad he is.
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06-21-2010 , 01:00 PM
Yuk, just had a gruesome session.

Down $45 for the session. KK < AK vs player who thought I was a maniac. AK < 66 AIPF (???). 99 < AK AIPF, though I botched the hand. I had a read that a player was 3betting quite often and wanted to put him to the test. He 3bet, SB flat-called so there was already 2.60 in the pot, and I decided to jam. Think I prefer 3bet to $5 and then call if I'm going to make the move at all. Sort of unnecessary.

Had some trouble in 3bet pots. Put too much money in in some spots. Going to have a read of Verneer's thread to get a better handling of it.

BUT, nevertheless I'm feeling pretty good about how I'm playing. Nothing terrible going on. I feel as though I will move up tomorrow, which is when I will officially be over 30,000. I will be short of 8BB/100, though
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06-21-2010 , 07:29 PM
Yuk. My first session back at $25NL was pretty harsh on me.

Last hand of the session I run KK into AA for 100BB, after I'd just managed to return to profit by stacking somebody as I slowplayed a set.

Other gems included a standard KK < AJ on a J-high flop, and this beauty:



Full Tilt Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $25.00
BB: $28.05
UTG: $28.52
MP: $50.75
CO: $15.99
Hero (BTN): $27.30

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with K A
UTG raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.25, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.50, MP calls $2.50, CO calls $2.50

Flop: ($13.35) 8 A 7 (4 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, CO bets $2.00, Hero raises to $24.05, UTG folds, MP folds, CO calls $10.74 all in

Turn: ($38.83) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($38.83) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $38.83
CO shows A 5
Hero shows K A
CO wins $36.89
(Rake: $1.94)

The only thing I don't like is the size of my preflop 3bet. LOL @ him thinking he's ever good. Nice Turn though...

All-in-all, down $10 for 1,123 hands, but I feel that I played really well. That variance is catching up with me, so now I just need to outrun it.
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06-22-2010 , 08:10 PM
I am in complete shock. I just dropped 5 buy-ins at $25NL.

Some of them were sick and were coolers. For example, I had one hand where I raised AQ vs a fish who would try to take control when checked to. Flop comes A-x-x three clubs, so I check to him to check/raise. I put a big check/raise in and he calls. At that point I notice we're both actually 200BB deep somehow Poor observation. Turn is an offsuit rag so I bet 8 into like $10 and get called. The River to me is gin: an offsuit Queen. I bet something like $16 into $26 and he calls. Somehow he woke up with Aces.

From there, everything went downhill.

I had this hand:



Full Tilt Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $21.21
BTN: $25.62
SB: $25.20
Hero (BB): $36.17
UTG: $11.67
MP: $32.38

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 9 9
1 fold, MP raises to $0.75, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60) 9 7 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $1.00, MP raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $4.50, MP calls $2

Turn: ($10.60) A (2 players)
Hero bets $3.00, MP calls $3

River: ($16.60) K (2 players)
Hero bets $27.92, MP calls $24.13 all in

Final Pot: $64.86
Hero shows 9 9
MP shows T J
MP wins $61.86
(Rake: $3.00)


Flop I honestly don't mind. I was trying to get him to spazz out. I kinda hate the Turn. I've developed a crazy mentality whereby I try to act weak to get action. I figure he can go ahead and bump up the pot if he hits an Ace here. On the River I shove figuring that a two pair is likely here. He had a straight. That was my planned last hand of the session and lost me another buy-in. If I bet bigger on Turn as I should, is it an easy potsized bet on the River or no? C/C or C/f?

Ran JJ in 4-2 on a 9-2-2hh-7 board for stacks. I think that hand was pretty standard. Limped pot pre which I raised. No way I can put him on a 2. If he's got 99 then whatever.

Lost two hands AIPF with AK. And then played AK horribly in another pot where I called off the remainder of my stack when I was check/raised on a three flush paired board. In hindsight I was already on massive tilt by this point. Rare for me to get tilted.

I need to go back and look at Verneer's uNL posts. I'm struggling massively with the aggression I'm facing at the moment. It also sucks that a lot of my cbets, which I once thought were in good spots, are getting minraised and I have to fold. This is just going to open me up for such a spanking when people cotton on to this weakness.

So the plan is to:

+ Check that I'm cbetting optimally
+ Work out the best way to combat aggression at 25NL
+ Stop my spewy hero calls
+ Move back down if I find this too much to handle

I'm better than this, I know I am. I just need to remind myself how to play well.
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06-22-2010 , 08:59 PM
Please get a coach and move down. Your 99 hand was played terribly and your AKcc flop shove is disgusting. Please work on your game before moving up.
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06-22-2010 , 09:06 PM
Micro's are all about value betting. Make sure you are doing this and not trying to make some complicated plays. Vbet till you get it in not shove on a **** board..
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06-23-2010 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by InFlamesWeTrust
Please get a coach and move down. Your 99 hand was played terribly and your AKcc flop shove is disgusting. Please work on your game before moving up.
I'll stop short of saying that I don't appreciate the input, because I do. However, if you could refrain from using over-emotive words like 'disgusting' it'll leave criticism much easier to take.

I presume you're talking about the hand where I walked AQ into AAA? The hand was read-based. He WAS always calling with worse. If he came over the top, it's an easy fold. Also, at no point did I shove. We were 200BB deep.
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06-23-2010 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Michaellawre
Micro's are all about value betting. Make sure you are doing this and not trying to make some complicated plays. Vbet till you get it in not shove on a **** board..
Yep, this is about right. Time to readjust to not using FPS.
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