In a nutshell. Assuming his reasons are valid (I have no reason to believe they aren't), then the biggest mistake was taking on a 400k hand challenge when you know you won't have the time to commit.

I still want to know if anyone has had personal coaching or paid for any of his courses that wasn't happy with the product/service or had negative results in their game afterwards.

Arent most of his students (based on his videos and testimonials) nl10-nl100 players? Paying £250/lesson and a small fortune for his videos. Of course they will benefit from it, doesnt mean he is portraying himself honestly or not being atleast morally questionable in what he charges and claims.

If i charge 500$/h and coach players at 1/10th my abi, do you think i get many complaints about not being helpful? No, but its still a ****ing unreasonable price. I dont think anyone is suggesting his stuff is so bad that people pay these prices and have to drop from nl50 to nl25.

Tbh a lot of people aren't educated enough or conditioned to understand any of this, or they're just bottom of the barrel people who will never make it anywhere in life. They're the same kinds of people who think they're underpaid or want a $15 or $20+ minimum wage, which would make their services overpriced from their employer's perspective.

It's hard to understand unless you own and operate your own business.

You can't argue his prices are too high if the material is benefitting the student.

You just don't pay.

Pretty simple.

Well, first of all, yes. Wtf?

Im arguing he is misrepresenting/clearly misleading his audience (example: guy says he is a top poker theoretician in the world on his webiste), meaning a bunch of guys who are new in to poker are lead to believe they are purchasing the best stuff there is out there, meanwhile they are buying videos from someone whos credentials are not even in line with someone half decent at poker.

If you think maximizing profits at any cost is the way to go, then you do what he does. Sprinkle in some misleading/direct lies and its pretty ****ing morally questionable in my opinion.

If an operation to save someones lifes i a billion dollars due to ****ed up reasons, but it saves someones life, i would argue the price is too high even though clearly it benefits the patient. (No, im not saying this is the same thing, but obviously something can be far too expensive without being a absolute -ev product for the consumer, the consumer may still benefit even though they are being mislead in to overpaying for something that isnt as good as claimed.

Another example, health insurance in the us costs a fortune and a half, far too expensive yet people obviously benefit from being insured. Why on earth would people benefitting mean the pricing is reasonable?

Can you point out where it says he is a top poker theoretician in the world on his website?

All I could find is

Esteemed doesn't mean top.

https://gyazo.com/7dc38557e35930a0663896ef955dc35d

I know, hence i never said the word esteemed.

Anyone should charge whatever they want and it should be up to the player whether he will take the coaching or not. Big red flag is testimorials coming from a bunch of nl50 or live regs

I just think it reflects very poorly on him to launch this challenge, then a few months later, upon realizing it is a big commitment, back out of it under the guise of "I run a successful business and have a life, I don't have time for this and will do it later".

His lack of a recent sample has always been the BIGGEST knock on him. I think it is the single reason he is maybe the most controversial poker coach on the market. Thus, evidently him launching this challenge was a way to try and "shut up the haters" so to speak. By backing out of it, he is just letting the haters win. It just reflects so poorly.

I don't see how anyone doesn't think it looks ridiculous: "Haters say I can do X, so I am going to prove them wrong and do X. Actually, doing X is really time consuming, so I am not going to do it. But I totally can, and I'm not stopping because I can't."

It just looks ridiculous. And then to say "well I can't release the graph because it's too small a sample" Idc if its a 500 hand sample, refusing to do so makes it look much worse.

Winning player or not, he looks like a massive clown for this imo.

i believe the word is charlatan

That's just puffery. Like this:



Gillette razors are objectively garbage.

IMO, Pete has a big library of content that he has put out, lots of it free, where people can judge for themselves if the coaching is worth it for them. The RIO course he put out, From The Ground Up, was an amazing value at $50 and I recommend it to new players to the game. His poker school is good, but is probably overpriced for the target audience.

With that said, I have seen some **** courses for the same price put out by crushers on other training sites. I would venture to say that most courses that are in the 1k+ price range aren't going to be worth it for Pete's target audience.

Agree mostly, im sure his 50$ course was great value. Difference? it was 50 bucks. And dont see the comparison at all between the gilette thing and him genuinely advertising himself as that (mainly to people who wouldnt know if its true or not). Most people understand that "gillette - the best a man can get" is just a catch phrase, he really doesnt present it in that way at all. And dont see how other courses being **** in any way changes anything about his.

Serious question. What should you get instead of Gillette?

buy a safety razor

it's takes a few shaves to get used to holding it at a slightly different angle and not having the bumpers on the modern razors

but it's super safe (hence the name and you're not going to cut yourself anymore than you would otherwise) is a far superior shave and replacement blades are not patented but in the public domain so cost just pennies each instead of $14.99 for a 4 pack

i shave closer in one stroke than with a modern one and never get razor burn and outside of a few painless nicks that drew a little blood but couldn't otherwise be felt nor seen on first few efforts



the entire reason why gillette makes those different razors are copyright laws, the safety razor and its blades are all in the public domain and thus anyone can make them so the big shaving companies began tweaking the design just ever so slightly so they could get a patent and then from there market the hell out of it as if it were a new innovation that deeply improved the shave (this is why you see the mach 3, then the vibrating mach 3, then the fusion 5, and now gillette labs, none of them shave any better than each other nor even the original safety razor, they just ran out of patent time and thus needed to drive up demand for a new and innovative product that couldn't be copied (you may have noticed there's now generic mach3 razors out there)



gillette is a marketing company that sells trash products - they never started innovating until their patent on the safety razor ran out and they've never since improved upon that original design




100% guarantee it's a better shave and a far more pleasurable experience with the safety razor

i only discovered this because when i was in egypt where they aren't all cucked by gillette and needed a razor that's all they had so i had to revert to the old style and couldn't believe how much better and cheaper it was

you can buy replacement blades for pennies and get multiple shaves out of them but they are so cheap you can also just toss em and use a new one each time if that is your preference

do it

+1

I rarely use anything but my trimmer anymore, but anytime I need a close shave, a safety razor is the ****.

I don't get why does he have so many salty haters? Wtf is even wrong with you? He is pricing his products at about the price the rest of the market does. If you think it's too high what is stopping you from buying his courses from a reseller at a 95% discount? Imagine having this guy living in your skulls rent free.

Hi Pete.

Yeah Pete would definitely tell you to buy his courses from a reseller instead of being the suckers who buy at full price.

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Imagine being this delusional.

A good way to show your stupidity is to equal criticism with hate.

So 11 pages of baseless mockery is constructive criticism.