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04-22-2023 , 02:12 AM
UPDATE

+1281.9bbs
+428.5bbs IN RAKEBACK

+1710.4bbs

Total Hours- 50.5

Average tables I would say is 3, I typically start with 1-2 tables for a few minutes and wait for some to open up that I want to play in then play the rest of the session with minimum 3 tables but trying to be seated at 4 tables
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04-22-2023 , 05:58 PM
UPDATE

+1384.5bbs WON
+510.1bbs IN RAKEBACK

+1894.6bbs TOTAL

One buy in left and we will be redeeming our rakeback and shot taking 20nl. Good chance this could be going down tonight.
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04-23-2023 , 12:19 AM
nice work OP!
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04-23-2023 , 12:04 PM


UPDATE!!!!

10nl RESULTS

STARTING BANKROLL=281.5

RAKEBACK=551.5bbs
Won=1544.3bbs
Combined Winnings=2095.8bbs

HOURS=60 (a small overestimate)
Hands per hour=I think I noticed on average roughly 100 hands per hours at the tables
Average tables=3.3? I think that is a fair estimation considering almost every session starts at 1 table and I slowly load up as I find suitable tables (I try to table select where I think I will have the best winrate)

I think that gives me a winrate of 7.79 w/o RB
and 10.5 w/RB
at 19,800 hands over 60 hours with an average of 3.3 tables and 100 hands per hour.

25 bb/hour
+ 9 bb/hour
34 bb/hour

Only 20k hands is a really small sample, should I be considering hanging out in these stakes longer to develop a larger sample? And did I do the math correctly? Something seems off





We hit the target for the bankroll today if we decide to ultimately absorb the rakeback into our winrate and bankroll. I don't have an argument for not combining them so I'd like to collect now. We are actually 1 buy in over 20 which is awesome, little cushioning to settle in at 20nl.

This feels pretty awesome to have declared a small goal and accomplished it (a lot faster than i expected). I'm looking forward to the challenges of 20nl.

I don't really have that many hands I was able to save, but here were 2 that I managed to link
https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/64...64ec0001c0318a

https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/64...64ec0001c03180


I'm more than happy to talk about the small experience I had at this stake and site. I'm also open to advice for moving up/shot taking and feel free to share a related to moving up, how it went good or bad, were you nervous,etc...
I'm also curious if I have played with anyone during this sample and if they have anything to input

Last edited by swerbs22; 04-23-2023 at 12:28 PM.
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04-26-2023 , 02:38 PM
Subbed dude! However I can't seem to be able to see the hand posts for some reason. Says unavailable in my location.

Wish you a fun journey!
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04-26-2023 , 08:20 PM
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Subbed dude! However I can't seem to be able to see the hand posts for some reason. Says unavailable in my location.

Wish you a fun journey!
Can't see any of the hand posts? I did not know if they were going to work anyway, I might have to find another way to post the HH
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04-27-2023 , 12:25 AM
UPDATE

Well, it didn't go as hoped...
Started out okay, then really swingy and ultimately came out on the wrong side of most pots and we are heading back to 10nl with our tail between our legs for another 20k hands I think. Going to just log in another 40-50 hours 4 tabling and if we still are winning we can think about another shot
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04-27-2023 , 08:49 AM
I have a few questions for you!

Firstly which tables are you playing on which site? (regular, fast fold), you might have already said when I skimmed over the thread but I'm just interested.

Also in which ways do you study? How you think about the game is important. Rather than seeing if you're winning over a sample, because that won't tell you much. Apart from you can see if your red line is tanking at a consistent rate or if it's break even over a decent amount of hands.

Understanding that you're just making the right plays (or plays that are the most ev) in the right spots is very important, this is a slow process and requires constant study and making sure that you're playing related to the tendencies of the pool rather than trying to copy GTO perfectly or something (which isn't a thing really). But I know myself that I am just trying to work on how I think about each pot with hand reading and making sure I'm normalizing pushing up the aggression in spots I never used to and I feel it's working well.

If you can get some hands up here it would be cool. You might play on a site that makes it difficult to get hand histories?

Also I take it you're trying to get to a certain amount of buyins and then move up and play and move down if you lose a set amount back?

I'm interested in your thread as seems like you're on a similar journey as you said.

I look forward to seeing more!
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04-27-2023 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGrufus
I have a few questions for you!

Firstly which tables are you playing on which site? (regular, fast fold), you might have already said when I skimmed over the thread but I'm just interested.

Also in which ways do you study? How you think about the game is important. Rather than seeing if you're winning over a sample, because that won't tell you much. Apart from you can see if your red line is tanking at a consistent rate or if it's break even over a decent amount of hands.

Understanding that you're just making the right plays (or plays that are the most ev) in the right spots is very important, this is a slow process and requires constant study and making sure that you're playing related to the tendencies of the pool rather than trying to copy GTO perfectly or something (which isn't a thing really). But I know myself that I am just trying to work on how I think about each pot with hand reading and making sure I'm normalizing pushing up the aggression in spots I never used to and I feel it's working well.

If you can get some hands up here it would be cool. You might play on a site that makes it difficult to get hand histories?

Also I take it you're trying to get to a certain amount of buyins and then move up and play and move down if you lose a set amount back?

I'm interested in your thread as seems like you're on a similar journey as you said.

I look forward to seeing more!

I was going to play on Global Poker for this stretch to log and build a Bankroll from 10nl to 50nl. Regular tables, as the zoom are never going.

For studying I use Upswing poker content. I try to watch or read the video/articles as much as possible until I feel I have a decent grasp on it. Then move on and after moving ahead a bit, I will go back and try to go through all the material again and try to see how it all ties in to each other.

Also I recently decided to give GTO wizard a try to help better understand solvers and have a Trainer I can play against, since I don't really have anyone to talk to.

I think it is hard for me to know if I am making the right plays recently as Global Poker doesn't save hands and also I don't really talk to anyone (still new to the community and don't know any poker players irl). I could record the entire session and watch it back but I just don't want to do that.

And yeah. The bankroll management of this log was going to be 20 buyins allows a move up to the next stake, and then if we win, great... if we lose 4 buy ins then we would move back down and grind back to try again until success

Are the global links not working? I can click on them and see the Hand Replayer so if you guys cannot I will try to get some HH up here another way
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04-27-2023 , 11:10 AM
Yeah when I click on the links it says "not available in your area".

I'm much the same as I don't really know any proper poker players in real life. I've not played properly for a couple of years before I came back to it recently so I'm trying to get involved a lot more with forums like this.

I used to be staked by a site about 7 or 8 years back before they stopped doing it but it was fun chatting with like minded people at the time.

I've noticed a shift in the poker world though in recent times. Where there isn't much animosity at all like there maybe used to be. I think it's because the players that are learning are realising how hyper self aware they have to be to succeed, and that comes with being humble and honest about your skill and what you don't know.

One thing I'll say about your 20 buyin base for each level is that it is going to come with a lot of variance and you'll have to make sure to be disciplined when taking shots to move back down if you get hit hard and not be tempted to push it too much. I'm sure you know this though and it can pay off if you run well and still able to play your best game without fearing losing more money due to the stakes. It's a bit of a risk reward thing so good luck with that, but a lot of people with have a large buyin level. Each to their own.

I take it you took a shot at 25nl recently then.

I'm guessing Global Poker is fairly soft? I'm playing Stars at the moment for convenience but I play regular table which are soft as hell. I'll probably move to GG soon though but not sure how the rake level stacks up.
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04-27-2023 , 01:06 PM
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Yeah when I click on the links it says "not available in your area".

I'm much the same as I don't really know any proper poker players in real life. I've not played properly for a couple of years before I came back to it recently so I'm trying to get involved a lot more with forums like this.

I used to be staked by a site about 7 or 8 years back before they stopped doing it but it was fun chatting with like minded people at the time.

I've noticed a shift in the poker world though in recent times. Where there isn't much animosity at all like there maybe used to be. I think it's because the players that are learning are realising how hyper self aware they have to be to succeed, and that comes with being humble and honest about your skill and what you don't know.

One thing I'll say about your 20 buyin base for each level is that it is going to come with a lot of variance and you'll have to make sure to be disciplined when taking shots to move back down if you get hit hard and not be tempted to push it too much. I'm sure you know this though and it can pay off if you run well and still able to play your best game without fearing losing more money due to the stakes. It's a bit of a risk reward thing so good luck with that, but a lot of people with have a large buyin level. Each to their own.

I take it you took a shot at 25nl recently then.

I'm guessing Global Poker is fairly soft? I'm playing Stars at the moment for convenience but I play regular table which are soft as hell. I'll probably move to GG soon though but not sure how the rake level stacks up.

10nl seems really soft, but most of the bigger pots and where I think most of my winrate comes from is from finding people that punt and sit at their table. I don't really feel like I'm outperforming most of the players that I see multitabling. At the same time, I was having really consistent results while moving up. I'm no stranger to downswings and playing poorly (I try to be honest and hit the lab and come back with a better mindset). Just on that Ignition sample there were a few downswings, I think 10BI.

I'd like to get more involved in a group or mentor/coach that is beating 50nl or 100nl

And yeah it was 20nl. Global poker having rakeback was more or less the reason I wanted to play there

Last edited by swerbs22; 04-27-2023 at 01:31 PM.
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04-27-2023 , 04:41 PM
If it is more beneficial to have HH and stats that I can have from PT4 playing on sites like ignition, pokerstars(around november can play there), Betonline, acr, etc... I will transfer funds back over to one of those sites. Again the only reason for going to global poker was pretty much the rakeback. It is annoying not having a good way to see HH though to even start discussing the game
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04-28-2023 , 07:15 PM
Your game slap homie. I played with you few times. You know how to play. You know what you doin. I can't find no leaks in your game bruh. Anyone says all players on global are trash straight cap. There is some good players. It aint no whale station on every table like they say.
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04-28-2023 , 07:22 PM
Seem like ABC stuff to me. You play good you don't need no help bruh.
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04-28-2023 , 10:47 PM
Took a day off everything poker related yesterday. Today we played around with GTO wizard and watched a few videos they have out. I think we usually have much stronger days at the tables when I put a few hours into studying (even if it seems completely unrelated or a rare circumstance ,etc)

Anyway, we were able to grind back about 5 buyins over a 3 hour session. 4.8 to be exact. We are now just one buy in away from being able to shot take again at 20nl.

We got a little bit of confidence back. Hopefully the next shot goes a little better this time. Will update when the bankroll hits the 20bi minimum to move up
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04-28-2023 , 10:49 PM
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Your game slap homie. I played with you few times. You know how to play. You know what you doin. I can't find no leaks in your game bruh. Anyone says all players on global are trash straight cap. There is some good players. It aint no whale station on every table like they say.
Hell yeah.
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04-28-2023 , 11:23 PM
Well we hit the mark again. Second chance at 20nl now on the agenda.

I'd like to take a break from tonight and get back in the lab tomorrow before I hop on to the tables.

We won 7 buy ins tonight and puts us actually 100bbs over target. Probably my biggest win in terms of Big Blinds Won in a session.

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04-30-2023 , 02:11 PM
We played a small session at 20nl and racked up about 50bbs over 30 minutes or so towards the end of that big session we won.

We came back today and there weren't many 20nl tables going, so we hopped into 4 10nl tables.

Within a few minutes we got a double up with KK, 3! from the SB vs BTN(tagged ATM). Flop Q93,we bet 30%//raise//re-raise all-in//call. Brick/brick we hold against unknown hand and happy to take it down. Continue playing for about 2 hours and rack up with 550bbs won over the session. Overall, I feel like the last 2 sessions we were playing really well. Not only because we are winning, obviously that is nice. I find myself thinking deeper about spots on the fly but not wasting more time. I'm spending time not in hands watching the table more and trying to develop and/or reinforce reads. This has seemed to pay off huge the longer the line up stays the same. I'm torching a lot less in marginal spots or hands that are clear folds and auto pilot just doesn't want to fold so we are saving A LOT of bbs in this alone. That coupled with calling with better bluff catchers (I think) and stabbing/stealing in a more strategic approach is netting quite a bit.

I'm also leaving if too many "good" "regs" fill up the table, and I try to sit at the softest looking tables going. (no offense to anyone, they are also the most fun )

I am rethinking the bankroll strategy of moving up stakes at 20 buy ins won and considering changing it to 40 buy ins won. This would be a huge boost to mental because I would feel as close to risk of ruin if we had a bad run/played bad. We are sitting back at about 28 buy ins won at strictly 10nl. So if we push for another 12 I think is not a bad detour and will strengthen the bankroll for pushing 20nl again. Also I don't mind winning at 10nl and considering opening 20nl tables if I see they look beatable if we get to 40 buy ins won at 10nl. So I suppose the strat is very flexible right now?

1250bbs won over about 6-7hours in our last 2 sessions.

Last edited by swerbs22; 04-30-2023 at 02:17 PM.
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04-30-2023 , 08:01 PM
Added on another hour session after a small break and was able to snatch up 2 more buy ins at 10nl. Total for the weekend is 1450bbs won at 10nl over 8 hours and altogether all-time we are 2950bbs won over roughly 60-70 hours averaging 4 tables at 100 hands per hour.

On another note. We have been slowly shot taking at 20nl and so far we have won about 150bbs over 2 sessions. That does not mean we are winning at 20nl though, we were still down 3.3 buyins so we are still in the red about 1.8 buyings there. 20nl doesn't run that many games so I am going to treat it as a much smaller step getting to 50nl. The goal is to get to 50nl so we can consider personal coaching or CFP to get the right targeted help to continue improving.

Bankroll is looking really healthy, we have more than doubled the initial deposit. Feels pretty good to have accepted defeat and set out with improved goals and realized results, short term results but results nonetheless.

I'm looking forward to building the bankroll into something healthy enough for 50nl and I am also inclined to move back to a site that works with PT4 so we can bust out receipts and I can find some stat leaks and really most importantly have Hand History so I can review and see exactly wtf I am doing in pots so I can be honest when reviewing. For the time being though, I feel like I am doing really well on Global Poker so we are going to play there until we have good reason to move
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05-04-2023 , 12:06 AM
Played about 5 hours over the last 2 days and have been completely breakeven with the rakeback at 10nl tables. I have been putting more hours into GTOWizard than I have been playing. I'm not sure if I am improving from it or not. I felt like the last 2 sessions I have been way too focused on trying to find the right table and not putting almost any focus past what 2 cards I am dealt. So taking a breather again for the night. Tomorrow going to get back into GTOWizard, spending a few hundred hands in the trainer in SB spots. I think this is one of my weakest positions so I've been putting time in here.



SB vs BB 3! Going to try to pump out a lot more volume in the trainer here and get those numbers closer to perfect before I move on. Thinking like try out 1k hands in a row to start, it's just preflop so I should be able to bang that out in no time. The trainer I think is really helping me visualize and remember the chart to I'm really exciting to dive deep into utilizing this to solidify basic ranges. Some of those scores are lower than they may have been if I didn't have the timer on. If I missed a spot I would try to look really fast to see the right answer then I would auto fold and it would dock points. So now I have the timer turned off and I am allowing myself to break to double check or look deeper into something.

Mentally I feel almost like playing on scared money after a big win. Definitely have not been playing my A game the last 2 days, maybe B game at best. Let's see what the next few days has to offer though
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05-04-2023 , 07:07 PM


Again SB vs BB 3!

1k hands took a lot less time than expected. Forgot you could 4 table it. For preflop spots I think this is going to be my warm-up and minimum going to put in 1k hands every day for some preflop spot no matter how basic. I am exciting to see how this will affect my game.
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05-04-2023 , 08:05 PM
Sounds like you're getting stuck into the study dude. Hope it can all translate to the tables!
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05-05-2023 , 01:17 PM
Put in 2 small sessions, yesterday and this morning. First session we worked about 2.5 hours on 4 tables and walked away 50bbs richer and the Second session we just finished another 2 hours and we earned about 260bbs. So looking good heading into the weekend. We are about 700bbs away from hitting 4000bbs won at 10nl (not including rakeback) and I think this weekend we have a solid chance to hit this milestone and go into 20nl pretty comfortably. Lets see.

Put in a 100 hand session just as a taster this morning with Trainer and got 100%. Thinking about what the next preflop spot I should slam with the Trainer. I was thinking SB vs BTN open, then start considering BB vs BTN open or BB vs SB open.
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05-06-2023 , 02:30 AM
Played another 3 hours tonight, so 5 hours today in total coming out ahead almost 400bbs! Another winning session getting us closer to that 40 buy in milestone. I'm starting to auto pilot so I think I should go do some lab work in the afternoon before putting in some more hours in the evening.

I'm excited to bang out some GTOwizard work, I think it's been really helping drive some things I have struggled to understand or memorize.

Any way we are like 6.5 buy ins away from 40 without rakeback. Still undecided if I'm going to include it yet or not. If we keep these winning sessions up I will likely just hit pure 40 without it and then redeem when I move up. We are feeling good about the last half dozen sessions or so.
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