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Old 09-19-2015, 08:55 AM   #1751
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Re: Pads1161 #bracelethunting

^they don't ship one for every event you win?
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Old 09-19-2015, 09:21 AM   #1752
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Re: Pads1161 #bracelethunting

Hopefully they will be sending 2 or more in the one parcel to Pads!
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Old 09-19-2015, 09:29 AM   #1753
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Pretty sure this is totally incorrect from theory pov.
cbetting 8x would mostly be for protection on this texture, which is less important when you have more turn playability/backdoor equity. hands that are more 'airy' and have backdoors are hands one should cbet bluff over air without any BDs because those hands will be +EV turn/river barrels more often, but thats a completely different situation.

if we bet and get called with 85ss, we will check almost every turn that we pick up equity on anyway and will be playing a 1street game up until the river, exactly like when we check back. so the backdoors really dont benefit a betting strategy with mid pair all that much, other than having slightly more equity than a hand with less/no backdoor draws. obviously hands with backdoors always do better than hands without, in any flop range, but thats beside the point.

having extra turn playability to allow you to get to showdown with mid pair more often directly helps you realize a higher % of your equity when you check back 85ss compared to 84hh. it benefits your hand more than just having some extra raw equity% - so for hands with some SDV, having backdoors favors a checking strategy more than a betting strategy imo.

maybe next time you can give some deeper insight in your thought process when discussing poker theory instead of leaving dick-ish comments without any real content here .
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Old 09-19-2015, 10:10 AM   #1754
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Re: Pads1161 #bracelethunting

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maybe next time you can give some deeper insight in your thought process when discussing poker theory instead of leaving dick-ish comments without any real content here .
More the type of person to point out some mistakes instead of giving out significant amount of strat.


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if we bet and get called with 85ss, we will check almost every turn that we pick up equity on anyway and will be playing a 1street game up until the river, exactly like when we check back.
Well if you play turns like this, then yeah it kinda diminishes a lot of our arguments for betting. But like, nope, when we pick off FD, betting still is good, even though that diminishes a lot of our SDV. It's not clear bluff, not clear valuebet, the bet just usually plays better than checking.

But basically when we are close between check and bet OTF, betting the hands that have chance of backdooring big hands is better, because you know, building pot with those compared to those that have no chance of improving, is usually better.



Obviously if V is going to start overbetting vs our checks, checking with backdoors gains value.


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so for hands with some SDV, having backdoors favors a checking strategy more than a betting strategy imo.
It kinda depends on the type of SDV we have, but on board like this I'm fairly sure that
you should split midpairs based on backdoors, and the ones with backdoors should be more proned to bet. And poker deus ex machines seem to agree with this.
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Old 09-19-2015, 10:35 AM   #1755
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You know what Patrick. I'm ****ing pissed. I don't care for you folding AA. I don't care for the 'very dynamic turn' and villains mixed turnstrategy. I don't care for you completely disregarding potodds and your read that he likes to valuetown himself and do randomcheckraises. I don't ****ing care. Honestly I couldn't care less that you need to get a showdown 25% in a spot where you might get a checkdown around 50 and you still have odds. River might fuarkin pair the board he might have KQ you might hit an Ace. He might show KJ he might have AK. Goddammit Pads I dont care.

To be 100% honest I didn't even care when you cbet A7o multiway on TT6 sandwich and then ended up valuejamming against a defending range that always traps. I admit it might have bothered me a little. But not as much as you 3betting AJ and bet bet/calling turn with Acehigh instead of just checkcalling at literally any point earlier that hand. literally, any, point.

It's just really not the kind of stuff that interests me. What did interest me tho was the orange juice. You post all this chit about coops you scooped and hands you for whatever reason won and then for the very first time I spike some interest. You just cut right off???? So you went to this amazing winebar with the amazing music and the orange juice and you didn't give no analysis whatsoever?? How come you have an explaination for literally every dumb play you make and then you go to that epic ****ing winebar for a ****ing orange juice and you give no details whatsoever??

I don't get it

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Old 09-19-2015, 11:01 AM   #1756
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Re: Pads1161 #bracelethunting

Vamoooo

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Old 09-19-2015, 11:27 AM   #1757
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wow you are unreal. gl today
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Old 09-19-2015, 11:30 AM   #1758
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take it down today
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Old 09-19-2015, 12:37 PM   #1759
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glgl today, ship it!
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Old 09-19-2015, 12:51 PM   #1760
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Interesting deal you are proposing.
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Old 09-19-2015, 01:25 PM   #1761
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GL!
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Old 09-19-2015, 01:43 PM   #1762
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You know what Patrick. I'm ****ing pissed. I don't care for you folding AA. I don't care for the 'very dynamic turn' and villains mixed turnstrategy. I don't care for you completely disregarding potodds and your read that he likes to valuetown himself and do randomcheckraises. I don't ****ing care. Honestly I couldn't care less that you need to get a showdown 25% in a spot where you might get a checkdown around 50 and you still have odds. River might fuarkin pair the board he might have KQ you might hit an Ace. He might show KJ he might have AK. Goddammit Pads I dont care.

To be 100% honest I didn't even care when you cbet A7o multiway on TT6 sandwich and then ended up valuejamming against a defending range that always traps. I admit it might have bothered me a little. But not as much as you 3betting AJ and bet bet/calling turn with Acehigh instead of just checkcalling at literally any point earlier that hand. literally, any, point.

It's just really not the kind of stuff that interests me. What did interest me tho was the orange juice. You post all this chit about coops you scooped and hands you for whatever reason won and then for the very first time I spike some interest. You just cut right off???? So you went to this amazing winebar with the amazing music and the orange juice and you didn't give no analysis whatsoever?? How come you have an explaination for literally every dumb play you make and then you go to that epic ****ing winebar for a ****ing orange juice and you give no details whatsoever??

I don't get it

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Old 09-19-2015, 02:02 PM   #1763
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Old 09-19-2015, 02:35 PM   #1764
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GLGL fella - tid!
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Old 09-19-2015, 03:52 PM   #1765
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5th for 21k. obv good result, can't be too unhappy, big stacks in 320/205r so will test my mental game now to see how strong I really am!
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Old 09-19-2015, 05:20 PM   #1766
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5th for 21k. obv good result, can't be too unhappy, big stacks in 320/205r so will test my mental game now to see how strong I really am!
GG u cant win them all....
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Old 09-19-2015, 07:35 PM   #1767
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Too bad money can't buy sanity
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Old 09-19-2015, 07:58 PM   #1768
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Too bad money can't buy sanity
What do you mean bro?
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Old 09-19-2015, 09:11 PM   #1769
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Re: Pads1161 #bracelethunting

Made day 2 of the $215r, 13/16. $105k and le bracelet for the win!! One more time.
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Old 09-19-2015, 09:24 PM   #1770
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Came back and made a 3 hour commentary with my house mate who plays low drakes MTTs but is v v good of my WCOOP win. How I was changing my strategy, how I perceived everybody, mistakes people made, reading into sizings etc.

Will be selling this for $150 and donating a bunch of the money to charity. Let me know if you want to buy a copy.
Interested in buying this. Your PM's are full though so cant message you.
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Old 09-19-2015, 09:45 PM   #1771
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Interested in buying this. Your PM's are full though so cant message you.
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Out of interest what charity are you thinking of ?
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Old 09-19-2015, 10:01 PM   #1772
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either reg or something regarding refugees, migration aid i guess.
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Old 09-19-2015, 11:29 PM   #1773
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would like to buy it for sure

great results man, gratzz. make it an epic wcoop tomorrow !
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Old 09-20-2015, 12:19 AM   #1774
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From the way you worded it here, it sounds we will be buying the video of you reviewing your whole tournament. On twitter you say its just the ft (i think we get whole cards replay of wcoop fts after it's over inside the software, not that the extra info wouldn't be v v valuable)? Can you clarify please which one is it?
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Old 09-20-2015, 04:06 AM   #1775
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So if you bink the rebuy you obv flick in the $50k for leaderboard purposes right?

anyways gl again sicko
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