No, but MTT players play roughly the same schedules every week. So their hourly is going to be more accurate (although it will take a much larger sample size to reach a convergence point).

I'm not 100% sure you can calculate an approximate hourly rate for MTTs, but that's not really what's being discussed.

I am saying that the only way hourly's make sense in mtts are on a per mtt basis so bolded is what i am saying.

Fair enough; I would argue that if you can have an hourly on a per MTT basis, then you can calculate an hourly based on a complete schedule simply by taking the mean of all of those separate ones.

I think hourly rates for MTT players are at very best just a hazy estimate though. There's far too much circumstance and variance involved to really know without having like a 200k sample for each individual MTT. All IMO of course.

Sorry about the derail pads.

I think for once jaja is wrong with the hourly argument. I agree with cash vs mtt interesting spots (sure it depends on one's perception of interesting) but hourly is a simple average over big samples and as such is obviously statistically applicable because then we are talking average buyin and average hourly and as such can make statements like pads did saying on an average 10h session that guy will on average make 900 bucks.

It's like taking otbs graph of the last two years and saying he played an average big blind of 23$ and made an hourly of xyz

I'd say a big advantage of cash compared to MTTs is that it's much easier to be a semi-pro when playing cg. A student playing lowstakes 6max cash 60h/month can live very comfortably in most countries while having plenty of time for studying/hobbies/social life. It's much much harder to do this playing MTTs, just cause of the variance and time you need to put in for every session.

In my mind the number of what everyone is grouping as 'interesting spots' is inherently greater in mtts because of the dynamic nature of the player's stack depth as well as stack depth in relation to your opponents' stack depths. Although a small fraction of cash games run deep online, on almost any table midway onward in a tournament there are several categories of stacks present in every hand. Apart from the constantly fluctuating ranges that this entails to reach toward some point of optimal play, different stacks also have consequences due to icm that create a whole other host of spots that do not exist whatsoever in cash games.

Your point relating to the fact that cash game hands play deeper than the vast majority of tournament hands is true and allows for a lot more depth in play; however, I think the larger amount of organic situations caused by a dynamic stack environment versus a static state outweighs this.

There is no question that an inherent bias clearly exists in this discussion from all parties. I would bet that almost every cash player would hold your position and almost every mtt player would hold the opposite. I also imagine that most have not played both with anywhere close to similar levels of depth, time, effort, or success and therefore have little room to be making such comparative statements.

Great read!

what a silly derail. i enjoy reading your sunday writeups. thanks for sharing.

+1, take this MTT vs. cash debate elsewhere.

More pads hands.

so errr yeah this just happened close to the money in the Super Tuesday..

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...293_73C972CBEE

I went to European/Dhr.Awesome/Uknowprosky*/Fishonheater house to grind today. This will be the last time before Sunday I play.

Pretty interesting session, I played very low table count. Came closeish to the money in the Fat Tuesday, I built up a 5x starting stack and then busted in this hand.


*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pads1161 [Kc As]
miserd00d folds
thugmoneymkr folds
pads1161 has 15 seconds left to act
pads1161 raises to 1,234
pads1161 has reconnected
Fortuity91 has 15 seconds left to act
Fortuity91 folds
BramHa has 15 seconds left to act
BramHa calls 1,234
Kannwas folds
maeximal calls 984
thekillerxxx folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc 5d Tc] (Total Pot: 4,602, 3 Players)
maeximal checks
pads1161 bets 2,122
BramHa has 15 seconds left to act
BramHa calls 2,122
maeximal calls 2,122
*** TURN *** [Jc 5d Tc] [4s] (Total Pot: 10,968, 3 Players)
maeximal checks
pads1161 has 15 seconds left to act
pads1161 has requested TIME
pads1161 bets 6,555
BramHa has 15 seconds left to act
BramHa has requested TIME
BramHa calls 6,555
maeximal folds
*** RIVER *** [Jc 5d Tc 4s] [9c] (Total Pot: 24,078, 2 Players)
pads1161 has 15 seconds left to act
pads1161 bets 16,210, and is all in
BramHa has 15 seconds left to act
BramHa has requested TIME
BramHa calls 16,210


Really interesting.

Pre flop obviously standard. I see a lot of people betting flop, but I like 1) Bluffing underpairs off their equity, 2) Value betting vs many many draws and 3) Keeping initiative and potentially winning on the turn/river. The 3rd guy called the flop super quickly so always has 1 pair/draw. On the turn I think he folds 100% to my turn barrel especially when I block combo draws like KQcc. I expect the 2nd guy to have a very difficult time with KT/AT/AJ/KJ/QJ, although will occasionally call.

On the river he can't have a flush except AQcc, everything else will fold on the river and he has many hands that just can't call. I've also got one of my very few bluffs. He took a long, long time before calling top set, so felt ok.

I busted the super tuesday in that ridiculous hand I posted above and lost a bunch at cash too.

Very annoying, but I keep building big stacks and very confident in everything still. I have been reviewing TONNES over the last 2-3 days, plugging a few leaks but still have a few unanswered questions that I will solve over the next 4 days.

Next Wednesday is Monte Carlo, I'm speaking to Elliot tomorrow and then will hopefully decide together whether its the best thing for me or not.

Feeling a little dejected tonight after 3 sessions where so much was possible, but its ok, we either win or we learn.

Love this tripple barrel bluf, esp on this perfect runout.

What do you make of the fact that you rep way more than enough value combos on a wet dream runout and he still couldn't fold?

no one is folding this particular hand online. Everyone sees the river, says ****, and then calls.

I think he is folding a lot, just not flushes (I block the majority of flushes he can have) and sets. Even though calling with QJ may be better than JJ they don't really care and just choose hands based on strength rather than merit.

Have been getting pretty ****ed in PLO. Studying a lot and definitely will be making some mistakes, but will post some hands here..

Hand 1 - ridic wrp http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...880_6383167F59

I think calling flop/turn is better than raising either street right? I see a lot of people just cramming both streets, calling is at least logically to me the best play.


Hand 2 - 950bb pot, i haz pair :/ http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...872_9EBC830BAA

Thoughts? Seemed standard to me, 3betting may be a mistake pre flop, but i assumed it was standard. Thoughts on the 3rd guys get in? Seems bad. WAL for the 4,4 run out.

Hand 3, seemingly good turn card? http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...861_D5EA242843

This one was a little weird, I would assume my opponent would b/f a hand like this. Thoughts on his play? If I didn't have additional equity I guess I would have c/c flop.

Hand 4 - http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...813_8AC8641BA0

I mean assume my play is std here, villains seems really, really bad though no?

Hand 5- std line check? http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...462_D1E338E525

Just making sure?


Just 5 hands, I actually feel pretty good playing. Definitely making some mistakes, but feel like I'm running quite bad. Pretty scared to moan etc but recently things have been going really badly in MTT's just getting ****ed a lot but trying to avoid blogging about that. Played some tournaments tonight at friends house.

Tomorrow will be off completely.

Saturday unsure.

Sunday grind.

Definitely going to Monaco next Wednesday, looking forward to it now.

Hand 1 - You have position so that tends to increase your fold equity, an argument for raising flop. But, position also increases your ability to realize implied odds, an argument for calling. If it was HU otf, I'd lean toward raising, cuz his betting range is weaker. But he bet into three players, so his range is strong, so your FE is low. I think I like the calls. OTT you barely have the odds to draw at 13 nut outs. Just hate playing passive like that, but prolly right here.

did i miscount? thought it was 16 outs 4x6 3x8 3xT 3xJ 3xQ

Duh. I missed the 8s.
<== clueless.

GL today! Looking forward to another epic write-up.

Man, tried to post 2 very long, big updates with so much strategy/hands in and both times the forum somehow went down in the time and I lost it all. Anyways, 3rd time lucky.

So last time I blogged I think I was contemplating going to Monte Carlo or not and had decided I'd probably go to Vegas for 3 weeks instead of 7 because I was really unsure where to stay and didnt want to be in a casino/hotel for so long especially as there was so little time off between MC/SCOOP/VEGAS.

Fast forward a few days and a very good friend of mine managed to snag an apartment in Panorama towers for me for the whole series. When I was a 18 year old kid getting into poker I used to see this baller poker players living in Panorama and I was so jealous of them, thats what I wanted! It was an inspiration for so long. Anyway my friend who I speak about a lot who got me into poker was exactly the same and he;s the guy I'm flying out with me for the last 2 weeks of the series so he is really excited too. Panorama is a luxury apartment building just next to Aria etc in perfect location, its also actually cheaper than the hotels because on nights like EDC etc you still pay the standard nightly rate. Usually you can not get anything resembling a short term rental, especially in the summer, but I managed to find a friends friend who got pregnant and has to leave the city for the summer and I used my one time!

I also fly to Monaco on Wednesday which I'm looking forward to. I'm going to treat it as a relaxation holiday with potentially playing poker. I will prepare great for the main event and the 5k, and I will play other events but only if I feel amazing, I won't set alarms to get up and start playing poker tournaments, I will get my body and mind in a great place for SCOOP.

Last few sessions have again been somewhat frustrating, I was getting stacks and stacks everywhere but not converting. Last year I was really loud about the fact that when I get deep in tournaments I generally close quite often, so it was frustrating this year to just not go my way. *Managed to break my duck and won the Crocodile on 888 officially for around 21k? Makes me a winning player on 888 finally and a nice score and confidence boost.

Over the last 10 days theres no way anybody in the world has studied as much poker as I have. I've played very little and went over around 80 hand histories and watched around 10-15 hours worth of videos and then did some private coaching myself and then some mental coaching with Elliot. Feeling good.

It's pretty funny at 9pm on the break, I had finished 15th in the 265ko with 20k ftw and then some 30ths in the hot75 and some other good tournaments and I went to get a glass of water and imagined myself asking European if he will back me in 3 months when I lose everything in Monaco/SCOOP/Vegas, poker is such a results orientated game.

One thing that really disappointed me was a hand I played in the 109r. I built this new HUD over the last 4/5 days and had been using it really well all day. There was around 140 left and I opened button vs bb and checked back, checked turn and folded river with a good bluffcatcher because of what my HUD said. The very next hand I open 22 in the cut off and the guy from the BB 3bet the small blind and I had a perfect stack size to shove. Generally this would be an easy shove as people use a 3bet or fold strategy OOP from the sb and he will just be 3bet/folding so many combos of KQ/98 etc etc. I checked my HUD and he had a really low 3bet % and a low 3bet % from the SB, I contemplated for ages and every single thing inside of me was begging myself to fold but I still jammed and he had QQ. I was so annoyed that 1) I didn't go with my instinct and 2) Didn't check his cold call % from the sb, it is such a vital important stat here and the 3-4 hours or so of custom editing I made to my HUD on Thursday was basically pointless if I'm not going to use all the information in it. This was right in the middle of my session and it really hurt my morale.

The 888 tournament was pretty ridiculous too, people were just doing so much dumb **** Like ridiculous ICM disasters, everybody just rofling super hard, I decided to limp every single hand I played to make it as low variance as possible on the last 2 tables. Will be a really interesting hand history to review in Monaco because during SCOOP maybe I have to revert to a limping strategy or maybe I reguarly revert to a limping strategy so it will be nice to check this hand history and analyse some spots a little deeper.

10000000000% taking tomorrow off no matter what and v.v.v likely Tuesday too.

Good luck if you're left in anything.



edit: will post some PLO stuff over the next couple of days.

edit edit: If you could ask 3 guys for MTT coaching who would it be? I'm going to try and book 1 hour with 5 different people over the next week just to get some different thoughts and ideas. Who would your three be? Choosing different stylistic players is best imo rather than 3 guys who play solid/similar/good

noooo, you should steal the blinds

OG limp strategist ITT

agreed

re: coaching, try livb112, mrgreenie, Naza, dipthrong, blanconegro (in no particular order: some different skills, some similar skills, different traits )

Good Tuesday. Went out to get crepes for breakfast as I was super craving them. I didn't give money to this woman with a hunchback and then when I went to collect my crepe she snuck up to my table and downed my lemond Karma I guess.. Crepes were amazing anyway!

Came home and coached for over 2 hours to our stable a recent run where I didn't really play very good but lots of discussion which was nice.

Played a shortish session and ran up huge stacks in everything. Bubbled a lot of stuff but managed to come 3rd in the 109rt for 5,5k and cashed the 600 on 888 so was a good day in the end.

Tomorrow is Monte Carlo, really looking forward

1) Interesting hand vs Lasagmaaaa - have some small reads

http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...148_3DBB08A590

2) Really interesting hand vs Elia

http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...812_2FBA412C78

Pre is fine, flop I think I prefer to call than jam, although its close. Turn I think is easy check back. River very close, but feels like its a good hand to jam, we don't get to the river thattttttttt much weaker and we can jam pretty wide for value (kx+ maybe aq+) so can bluff quite an extended range too imo. Thoughts?

3) Disciplined Super Tuesday fold - http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...826_780E9D1D13

I couuuuld fold flop, but I feel like calling is best vs the player in question. Turn is somewhat annoying, but relatively standard I would say.

4) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...268_129C1879F5

Probably the most interesting hand I think. Flop I think is best street to get value from, also lets say he has 22-99 and NEVER puts a chip into the pot without improving to a set then why give those hands 2 outs? Turn I think is too thin, generally in MTT's turn sizings are way smaller than river sizings, its easier to balance an overbite range on the river when theres no more cards to come out etc. So I feel like checking here and betting bigger than I would on the turn (were also more likely to be winning when he checks river than when he c/c checks turn) maybe I should call the river, felt intuitively like a fold at the time though.