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Old 04-13-2015, 04:09 PM   #501
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Re: Pads1161 #bracelethunting

Amazing thread, posting for sub!
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Old 04-13-2015, 08:14 PM   #502
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GL OP!

You're a remorseless crushing machine.

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Old 04-13-2015, 09:02 PM   #503
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Plz post some hands from the 250eu 6max on .fr vs the fun player with 10-12 left
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:31 PM   #504
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Felt a lot happier with my play today. Woke up after only 3 hours sleep as I promised my horses I'd coach them. Had a really nice session with them and then, well there wasn't much else to do so started to grind Had lot of deep runs, final tabled the 250 6max on .fr, 12th in the 320 6max .com, deep in 109c etc. Strangely decided to reg the weekly 530 omaha as I felt really good and ended up chopping it for $15k. *Played a very high VPIP and was very interesting. May post some hands if anybody is interested?

Unfortunately lost 300k stack in winamax main which would have been top 10 tomorrow for day 2, but sitll have 60k or so to spin. Busted the SCOOP Main with A3dd on j9tddd against TT in 4bet pot. But its cool, not moaning about today obviously.

Tomorrow will try and go to the gym/eat well before the huggggge grind.
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:44 PM   #505
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Hands from today..

1- http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...976_0138500279

Interessssssting play buddy!


2- http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...853_70EBD18EA5

Perhaps the most ridiculous hand I've ever played. I really take a lot of notes against fish as they usually have the same type of lines. This guy I had b/c flop, lead/call turn, jam river with low spr with missed fd. So when this happened I took a deep breath and went with my gut

3- http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...910_43702562D5

Interesting spot, I like it. Relatively face up here what I'm trying to do, difficult for villain to call the 3rd street. I have to have suited broadways with bdfd that I 1) didnt 3bet pre and 2) chose to lead flop with


Another fun .fr hand vs reg

http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...325_BB39F24827


Plo hands..

1) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...717_3E1CF9A1D9

Probably a fold pre. Turn felt really close. I'm obviously folding to a jam, but feels tough for him to continue without a full house close to the money

2) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...306_6971BDEC17

Feels like a mandatory triple?

3) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...391_A57A007387

Disgusting turn spot. WTF am I supposed to do, I think this is the one hand I was really lose in. I think the thing I eventually did was the worst choice on reflection

4) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...945_6E45FA8462

Felt like his sizing wasn't JT heavy although perhaps he is balanced etc. Feels like I get to the river with more JT than he does, assuming hes 3betting KJTA/KJTQ, KJT7/2 raise flop I guess.

5) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...248_67C4AB5C67

Maybe I'm getting too creative, but seems great hand to c/r flop with the icm pressure (final table) and then on the turn I felt he would fold if he didnt pick up spades. On the river I felt like he could still fold kqt and I expected no slowplays on the flop from him and board ran out pretty great.

Any thoughts? I played another 10 or so very interesting PLO pots, I really enjoyed it!
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:46 PM   #506
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Felt a lot happier with my play today. Woke up after only 3 hours sleep as I promised my horses I'd coach them. Had a really nice session with them and then, well there wasn't much else to do so started to grind Had lot of deep runs, final tabled the 250 6max on .fr, 12th in the 320 6max .com, deep in 109c etc. Strangely decided to reg the weekly 530 omaha as I felt really good and ended up chopping it for $15k. *Played a very high VPIP and was very interesting. May post some hands if anybody is interested?

Unfortunately lost 300k stack in winamax main which would have been top 10 tomorrow for day 2, but sitll have 60k or so to spin. Busted the SCOOP Main with A3dd on j9tddd against TT in 4bet pot. But its cool, not moaning about today obviously.

Tomorrow will try and go to the gym/eat well before the huggggge grind.
Please post more PLO hands.
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Old 04-13-2015, 10:02 PM   #507
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I don't want it to sound like advice though, I don't play it seriously. I feel like when I'm really into something I can make good decisions though and work out whats good or have a good feeling for a line to take etc. I chopped a omaha scoop medium last year which was similar. I've never ran a simulation before and I'm sure I'm really a big fish, in terms of MTT's though I think I can apply some final table pressure etc in certain spots. I don't mind actually giving you guys the entire hand history of the final table if you want to look over it, sure I was doing some awful things
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Old 04-13-2015, 10:08 PM   #508
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Plo hands..

1) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...717_3E1CF9A1D9

Probably a fold pre. Turn felt really close. I'm obviously folding to a jam, but feels tough for him to continue without a full house close to the money

2) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...306_6971BDEC17

Feels like a mandatory triple?

3) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...391_A57A007387

Disgusting turn spot. WTF am I supposed to do, I think this is the one hand I was really lose in. I think the thing I eventually did was the worst choice on reflection

4) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...945_6E45FA8462

Felt like his sizing wasn't JT heavy although perhaps he is balanced etc. Feels like I get to the river with more JT than he does, assuming hes 3betting KJTA/KJTQ, KJT7/2 raise flop I guess.

5) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...248_67C4AB5C67

Maybe I'm getting too creative, but seems great hand to c/r flop with the icm pressure (final table) and then on the turn I felt he would fold if he didnt pick up spades. On the river I felt like he could still fold kqt and I expected no slowplays on the flop from him and board ran out pretty great.

Any thoughts? I played another 10 or so very interesting PLO pots, I really enjoyed it!
1. I think fold pre is best, turn is interesting but I'd probably fold (I think raising is pretty sweet a little deeper).

2. The 44 runout is a little scary since the board paired and he'll have flopped sets that play this way a lot but most runouts is obviously a triple barrel.

3. I like bluff catching in this spot, I think betting is a little meh just because I can't imagine you get a lot of action from hands you beat other than QQ and you're blocking 77.

4. I like this a lot.

5. This is like the absolute best possible runout to barrel but I'm a little bit hesitant to bomb when he calls the x/r and the turn.
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Old 04-13-2015, 10:10 PM   #509
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I don't want it to sound like advice though, I don't play it seriously. I feel like when I'm really into something I can make good decisions though and work out whats good or have a good feeling for a line to take etc. I chopped a omaha scoop medium last year which was similar. I've never ran a simulation before and I'm sure I'm really a big fish, in terms of MTT's though I think I can apply some final table pressure etc in certain spots. I don't mind actually giving you guys the entire hand history of the final table if you want to look over it, sure I was doing some awful things
I get confused in a lot of shallow spots for PLO MTTs because I basically only play cash so take whatever I say with the appropriate amount of salt (have played some PLO MTTs though).

Also I'm not claiming to be a great PLO player but live cash PLO is super easy to beat.
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Old 04-14-2015, 01:31 AM   #510
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Lol padds u fkn legend hahaha wow
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Old 04-14-2015, 11:34 AM   #511
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Hey Pads, love the thread, both your mindset and your posts are very motivating!

PLO hands:

1, Fold this junk pre imo, you have two danglers and a measly Queen high FD, I think this hand will be very hard to play profitably 3-way OOP. Turn play is pretty opponent dependent but you block JJ/66 and their ranges look fairly weak so I like the play.

2, I like this with the nut FD blocker (which prolly becomes less important when the river pairs) and with the K/Q blockers to a boat.

3, I agree with hoodskier that the turn would probably play better as a ch/c just because there are so few worse hands that you can get action from.

4, I really like your play and think this is a great bluff spot in general against this betsize. Sure, he might be balanced, but I think people generally size their valuehands bigger in this spot, especially if they think that their hand is well disguised. He could also ch/c with some hands in his range so this "1/2 pot hotkey bet" looks pretty weak to me, also I agree that you have more JT combos in your hand when you get to the river.

I'm glad you like Budapest, it is indeed a beautiful city, I think I actually might've seen you walking on Szent István körút yesterday. Might be mistaken though lol.

IIRC you were having second thoughts about going to Vegas, if I were you I would just stay in BP for the summer, it's the best time of the year and the online games will obv be softer with much of the regs going on vacation/to Vegas.

Anyway, GL with poker and the bar! (We are actually planning to check out the place with a couple friends this weekend.)
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Old 04-14-2015, 11:43 AM   #512
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Amazing thread, very good content in here. Keep it coming !!
You come across as a nice guy who def knows what he is doing. However i also get why people may call you arrogant. I randomly opened the FT of the 530$ Plo and you were talking with the other guy about a HU chop. You came across pretty douchy when you said something like " sharkscope me, I am way better than you, "don't remember the exact words.
This is something which, although its most likely true, people don't want to hear. If you want to talk about how awesome your are, cool. Its not about what you say its about how you say it. If you you want to become sponsored one day you should keep that in mind

Anyways i love your input
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Old 04-14-2015, 11:51 AM   #513
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Amazing thread, very good content in here. Keep it coming !!
You come across as a nice guy who def knows what he is doing. However i also get why people may call you arrogant. I randomly opened the FT of the 530$ Plo and you were talking with the other guy about a HU chop. You came across pretty douchy when you said something like " sharkscope me, I am way better than you, "don't remember the exact words.
This is something which, although its most likely true, people don't want to hear. If you want to talk about how awesome your are, cool. Its not about what you say its about how you say it. If you you want to become sponsored one day you should keep that in mind

Anyways i love your input
That really wasn't how it went down. I had 3x more chips than anybody 3 handed and the fish wanted to deal. I said ok sure. The other guy lost a pot and the fish seemed pissed that we didn't deal. I showered the third guy and then very first hand of heads up just before we could deal I lost a huge flip and then he said deal?

He didn't know where the deal Button was or what icm meant. The rep said the numbers were 14.7 to me and 16.3 to him. We were 55bbs deep and I could definitely have played on. On the final the only player who played back and played pits with me was this guy. I enjoyed battling against him, he didn't understand icm but that meant it was a fun lot. If we had dealt 2 hands earlier I would have got 16.8k and he would have got 14.2. I told him I thought it was fair that I got 15 and he got 16. I told him I really enjoyed playing and battling on the final table

He still didn't wtf was going on or what the numbers meant and in there I told him something like "you can check sharkscope and we can deal on skill but I'm more than happy to do this fair deal" I really wasn't rude to him at all.

I have been rude to bad regs in deals before, but simply because I wouldn't deal unless I was giving considerable edge and I have to give the reason why. Vs this guy I was pretty respectful and gave him a good deal j think.
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Old 04-14-2015, 12:06 PM   #514
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You don't have to justify your actions, as i said i randomly opened the table and just saw your chat so no clue what was going on before or after. i just wanted to post to make you aware how anything you say or do may be perceived by others. As i said, in your blog you come across as a really nice and humble guy who is willing to share his valuable knowledge about the game.
People who don't know you will judge you on your actions and if someone is as successful as you they will take anything negative related to you and tell **** about you
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You don't have to justify your actions, as i said i randomly opened the table and just saw your chat so no clue what was going on before or after. i just wanted to post to make you aware how anything you say or do may be perceived by others. As i said, in your blog you come across as a really nice and humble guy who is willing to share his valuable knowledge about the game.
People who don't know you will judge you on your actions and if someone is as successful as you they will take anything negative related to you and tell **** about you
he is 150% correct

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1- http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...976_0138500279

Interessssssting play buddy!

OMG lol ! wow
Another fun .fr hand vs reg
http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...325_BB39F24827
OMG wtf is he doing ?

Plo hands..

1) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...717_3E1CF9A1D9

Probably a fold pre. Turn felt really close. I'm obviously folding to a jam, but feels tough for him to continue without a full house close to the money

depending on which cash reg you ask , this is liek 80% call cause ldo pot-odds and rest will insert the "Qhifd/plays bad 3way oop w terrible danglers - in mtts intuitively I think we can get away w calling pre if we're capable of playing like you

2) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...306_6971BDEC17
Feels like a mandatory triple?

feels but you might get stubborn /more attentive hand readers to call you down w JdXd/TdYd; however, I think you have one of the best hands do triple with and the paired runout is not as scary since we block main sets and only few combos of 99xx flat pre in villain's pos (id be more worried about JTddxx specifically)

3) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...391_A57A007387

Disgusting turn spot. WTF am I supposed to do, I think this is the one hand I was really lose in. I think the thing I eventually did was the worst choice on reflection

Think the x/r is very meh since you rarely (if ever) have a x/r range here and we dont need protection and are disguised BUT, given its UTG and we dont care that much about blocking 77 (despite it being theoretically bad for us ) I think its fine, turn bet is not that great for reasons people already mentioned , I also like x/c

Any thoughts? I played another 10 or so very interesting PLO pots, I really enjoyed it!

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Old 04-14-2015, 02:46 PM   #516
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yeah T, I really disliked my turn bet there like I said previously. It's pretty bad. Villain was antesvante, I had been playing very aggressive, we're on the bubble or whatever so just assumed he wouldn't barrel me that much as he thinks I'm a station and will get in qq/77 always vs me. The way he plays his cbet is very strong too. I'd check raised 2 out of the last 5 flops or something so just felt I should go for it. Agree in a vacuum (which is the advice I want )
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Old 04-14-2015, 06:10 PM   #517
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I honestly believe that if you want to be really great at anything competitive, you're eventually going to be perceived as arrogant. Some are better at hiding it than others (eg: Mickelson, Jeter and others who are very good at manipulating the media) but no one rises to the top of the craft by not backing themselves and believing in themselves. You're going to believe you're the best and want to prove it every single day. No one ever became great being a meek person striving for mediocrity.

What's the most common criticism by the average person of Jordan/Kobe/Bonds? Or if you want poker examples with WCG, jungleman, Dan Smith, etc.? Answer: that they come off as arrogant and/or that they think they're better than everyone else. IMO, those people became great and STAY great for a long period of time because of their confidence in themselves. To most people it probably comes off as arrogant and elitist, but that is the price of greatness.

Maybe people would like it more if he acknowledged he's run well (who with great results hasn't? The funny thing about mtts is we'll never really know) but I always find it funny when people lob the criticism of "arrogant" at someone to try and knock them down. It's always a thin line to straddle but I honestly believe most of the criticism towards pads itt is borne of jealousy.

Pretty sure most ppl really enjoy this thread and would like to see it keep on going so hope to see that
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Old 04-14-2015, 06:44 PM   #518
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Old 04-14-2015, 06:55 PM   #519
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PLO hands

1- I'm def defending. Lead flop if you're in small blind, and check flop from big.

Turn raise not necessary imo. Btn rarely ever has a wrap here, and won't be overcalling with Aces or a gutshot, maybe only AATss or something with a K, but he's almost always folding.

Riv he's checking AA, AJ that he decided to bet turn with, a few kings if he doesn't blocking bet, and he bluffs his missed flush draw. Peoples flatting ranges from small blind in tournaments are all over the place and player dependent I suppose. Not sure how three bet happy small blind is, which may help with the problem.

Id feel pretty comfortable keeping the pot small, and reassessing river ( probably calling low non spades happily, and checking back any river thats checked to us, folding spades, A, and I haven't made up my mind on 9o ).

Potting safe rivers to a bet vs the right guy is an option, but I like the low variance route.

2- standard; wp

3- I would probably c/c my whole continuing range here, expecting him to bomb almost every card. C/r a 5-9, 2-4 of clubs or heart especially looks nice.

As played I would not be betting that turn unless you wanted to play around with a really silly small sizing, but checking will do.

4- I actually really like your play in this hand. I've been in the habit of sizing similar on the flop on this board and bombing this turn, as its really hard for 567 to continue, and then reassessing if we get to river. Not many 79 combinations make it to the turn imo, but king nines do, and it would really suck to get raised. Some people would just lead out any 2pr on this turn, but check back is neat since all big cards aren't bad for us, and stacks are perfect. Thanks for posting it

5- Pretty ambitious. There are going to be a lot of brutal turns. I probably just c/c flop and hope for a check back on turn. I have no clue what is optimal. I think I just look for another spot, and keep life easy for myself.

Curious to read all the other replies now.
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Old 04-15-2015, 12:29 AM   #520
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Pretty interesting day. Actually first of all just want to say thanks so much for all the feedback on the hands, I love it when we all get involved and speak about the hands, seriously every reply so so so well received.

Anyway today midway through the session I had loads of really amazing stacks in all the high stuff, after a set up or bad beat in all of them I was whooshed, but I really didn't care and this isn't me moaning now, I was focused all session and played very good until my last table so I'm really OK with it, putting myself in positions to run deep is the most important thing rather than running deep. Like I've said previously, having 6 semi-deep runs is way more encouraging than having 1 super deep run as there's a lot more variance in SUPER deep runs.

Anyway saved a bunch of hands today.

Very tricky played AK, when a blocker isnt a blocker!!!!! http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...756_486D4F37AE

Now this is a reallllly interesting hand I think. Pre flop is std for me. Flop I like betting 3 way. On the turn I was going for c/j vs the button who I think will b/c KQ basically always and also stab with his QT/QJ/JT that will v.v likely give up when I c/c turn. When the river completes and the guy leads lets think about how his range looks like.

1) 400 into 1000 when its VERY likely that we have a hand like KQ here. Our bluffcatchers are AK (likely bet the turn) or KQ (never folding to any size) so when he has a flush its ectremely likely that he will bet big. Guys are ****ing greedy.

2) What flushes can he have? k93r (9s) ok, so flushes he can have are JTss, QTss and Kxss. I see people jamming river here with the As thinking "block the nut flush" having AhKs is WAY better than having AsKh because we block the majoirty of his flushes. Lets say that he defends every suited kx pre and calls flop. That means on the turn he gets there with

K2, K3, K4, K6, K7, K8, KT, KJ, QT, QJ

When we have As we don't block any of it (especially when 9 is a spade rather than the 3!) so on the river by having a king instead of an ace of spades we block 80% of his potential flushes and he has 2 instead of 10 flushes. This combined with his sizes makes this a pretty mandatory river bluff imo.

Usually when you bluff like this its very unlikely that you can credibly represent a flush as you would barrel equity. However here on the turn its not good to barrel equity as we have 0 fold equity. In a spot where villains have very likely got kx and will very likely not fold the turn it doesn't matter how much equity we have if its less than the required to make it profitable. Here I think we can credibly represent a flush, especially Kxss!

Raising flop with no blockers in Super Tuesday http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...780_7C80D5D97B

I like this one, you could say you would rather have blockers, but which hands would you really want to raise with flop with that has equity? JT/QT/QJ/KT are all hands that are either too strong to raise fold or play way better as a call. I think his squeezing range from the BB here is probably qq/kk/aa/ak maybe he even flats QQ pre but I doubt it. My perceived range is 88-QQ. I am of course wider here but I think my perceived range isn't. I risk 1450 to win 2555. I think he b/f every combo of AK except AKcc (people generally always cbet ak because they don't want their hand to be "face up") and if he has AA/KK I think its a genuinely disgusting spot for him and he will probably fold in the super tuesday. I wouldn't do this in the big11 or something, but perhaps in a live tournament against a nitty live grinder who can hand read relatively well its probably a really good spot.

This betting small thing http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...164_06DDAD8F47

I spoke previously about how I think the future will be people betting small in spots that are really tricky and every decision sucks.

Here I think we definitely need to call pre/flop. On the turn it feels like we need to bet for protection of some sorts but most sizes suck as he won't call us with worse almost ever. AK is a pretty bad c/c by him but betting small here allows us to get a smidge of value whilst protecting. We can also do some creative river sizes with different parts of our range so when we do have a value hand we don't necessarily lose value. Also lets say we have JJ here often we don't even get 3 streets vs a T right, but using this turn sizing 1) increases spr for the river street that we will attempt to get value on 2) potentially increase the chances of him calling down.

capping their ranges http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...083_39969F3B6D

Interesting spot. Flop/pre std. On the turn I almost never have the best hand as he always barrels Kx with gutshots etc so he likely has QQ/kx imo. On the river I'm completely uncapped and importantly have no bluffs, I probably fold 65s pre so I end up on the river with 9t, jt, 88 77, 99, tt, qq, kk, aa, ak, jt. I'm perceived to not bluff with this range and maybe go larger with all the nuttier parts of my range as he won't have any hands that slowplayed here except perhaps KK. He likely flats jj pre too so thats not a huge concern.

checking back aces http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...364_06E78732B1

It's hard to get aces so when you gettem its nice to be abit creative. I make my sizing pre flop because my bluffs here are hands that don't want to see flops (super polarised) this means that I should go bigger ofc (probably biggest leak MTT players have imo)

He 3b/calls and I was unsure exactly how his range looked like but did expect some KK/QQ. I felt like I'm perceived to never check back flop with AA as its likely he has JJ/QQ/KK and will lose value. BUT THIS IS EXACTLY THE REASON WHY I DID! He is way more likely to bet turn and river for value when I check back OR call turn and river than he is to call my flop bet and then turn jam. His river call is relatively ambitious imo, but if you think about it I'm just flatting AK pre flop, so its really disgusting spot for him if he thinks I never have KK/AA/AK, so maybe its a good call.

Have day 2 of winamax tomorrow but really want to take the day off, will just one table it I guess. Very underwhelmed to play at all tomorrow so I may just not even play it at all. I have a small stack and life ev feels like just not being on the computer tomorrow.
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Old 04-15-2015, 12:33 AM   #521
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Re: Pads1161 #bracelethunting

2 PLO hands to keep the fans happy

1) good but not great..

http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...902_8F079337FA

I think this is a relatively standard flop flop, how much better should our hand be before we continue. Do you call any hands here or just vamonos lfg pot/gii/runittwice/try to win some with our continuing range?

2) Bet sizing

http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...168_E731B71226

I think my flop sizing here is really bad, I should go smaller on this texture as he won't have too many 2x in his range right? On the turn I wanted to bet to protect/value from flush draws jx/flush draw jx combo draw etc so decided to bet big. Was pretty unsure what was great here though.
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Old 04-15-2015, 03:40 AM   #522
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Re: Pads1161 #bracelethunting

Decided to sell a package for SCOOP simply because I love making colourful spreadsheets whilst I struggle to sleep!

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Hi!

Been mostly a reader of your blog and gotta say thats prolly the thread only thread im looking forward to everyday I wake up.

Really great read! Keep it up!

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capping their ranges http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...083_39969F3B6D

Interesting spot. Flop/pre std. On the turn I almost never have the best hand as he always barrels Kx with gutshots etc so he likely has QQ/kx imo. On the river I'm completely uncapped and importantly have no bluffs, I probably fold 65s pre so I end up on the river with 9t, jt, 88 77, 99, tt, qq, kk, aa, ak, jt. I'm perceived to not bluff with this range and maybe go larger with all the nuttier parts of my range as he won't have any hands that slowplayed here except perhaps KK. He likely flats jj pre too so thats not a huge concern.
Whats the bottom of your value range that you are going to overbet happily here? KQ+?
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Old 04-15-2015, 07:36 AM   #524
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Cool hands pads, I esp like the 87s flopraise and the nines, although i'm not sure we have to overbet the nines/our range theoretically.
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Old 04-15-2015, 10:47 AM   #525
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Very nice hands again and totally love your blog. Can't wait to see you streaming on twitch!

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Very tricky played AK, when a blocker isnt a blocker!!!!! http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...756_486D4F37AE

Now this is a reallllly interesting hand I think. Pre flop is std for me. Flop I like betting 3 way. On the turn I was going for c/j vs the button who I think will b/c KQ basically always and also stab with his QT/QJ/JT that will v.v likely give up when I c/c turn. When the river completes and the guy leads lets think about how his range looks like.

1) 400 into 1000 when its VERY likely that we have a hand like KQ here. Our bluffcatchers are AK (likely bet the turn) or KQ (never folding to any size) so when he has a flush its ectremely likely that he will bet big. Guys are ****ing greedy.

2) What flushes can he have? k93r (9s) ok, so flushes he can have are JTss, QTss and Kxss. I see people jamming river here with the As thinking "block the nut flush" having AhKs is WAY better than having AsKh because we block the majoirty of his flushes. Lets say that he defends every suited kx pre and calls flop. That means on the turn he gets there with

K2, K3, K4, K6, K7, K8, KT, KJ, QT, QJ

When we have As we don't block any of it (especially when 9 is a spade rather than the 3!) so on the river by having a king instead of an ace of spades we block 80% of his potential flushes and he has 2 instead of 10 flushes. This combined with his sizes makes this a pretty mandatory river bluff imo.

Usually when you bluff like this its very unlikely that you can credibly represent a flush as you would barrel equity. However here on the turn its not good to barrel equity as we have 0 fold equity. In a spot where villains have very likely got kx and will very likely not fold the turn it doesn't matter how much equity we have if its less than the required to make it profitable. Here I think we can credibly represent a flush, especially Kxss!
You had any reads on villains in this hand? I wouldn't expect weaker players to fold many hands that beat ours. (two pairs and some sets, JT pretty much never folds, huh?)
And like you said ppl are greedy and would bet bigger for value. Sure, the backdoor flush came in, but like you also pointed out most ppl would think that you would double barrel if you got spades (although it's not good as you stated).
So with his sizing we pretty much always have him beat, but the guy behind us will probably puke-fold his Q9 and KQ (guess he would bet KQ on the turn?)
When i first saw the hand without your explanation I thought you kinda shoved for value/lvling with your Ks blocker. And bit if a range merge, since you sometimes get better to fold and worse to call.

What hands do you expect to bet this sizing and fold to our jam that beat our AK?

I like your turn check but would always just call the river.
But yeah, thats probably one of the many reasons why you are so much better than me.
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