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10-30-2014 , 10:20 AM
Interesting, never thought about shoving turn but your line makes sense.

I think what happened was I was trying to emulate what I'd do with the top of my range (balance i suppose) without thinking about it correctly, ie there's no need.

My post flop game is not my strongest area obviously. At the time I guess I locked on to the bet bet jam line without considering alternatives
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10-30-2014 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by wilbow
It is a generalised read, if you're going with it you might as well shove the turn. It's an overbet on a paired board so it's terrible if he still calls with a flush draw. Betting 400 on flop and 7-800 on turn is horrible advice IMO, since you're not barreling him off anything, you're just letting him see the river cheaper and then if he hits he's calling anyway. Even the river shove would be about 2/3 pot. Why not shut him out with a turn shove? And if you put him on a flush draw (and he doesn't have the 9), then your A3 is winning the vast majority of the time anyway... confusing...
I understand slightly where you are coming from, but why would we want inferior hands to fold especially if we put him on a flush draw?

When we bet we bet for 1 of 2 reasons

1) To get inferior hands to call
2) To get better hands to fold

We want to make our opponents make mistakes.

In this particular hand, maybe with the overbet shove on the turn he calls anyway, but I think our reasoning has been skewed a little by the outcome and knowing what he has

If hero has a read that he is on a flush draw, then we want the opponent to stay in the hand although we want to charge him a premium to get there.

Why overbet shove the turn when a smaller bet gives him incorrect drawing odds anyway?

Of course sometimes he gets there, thats poker, but we made V make a mistake to get there. Thats all we can do
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10-30-2014 , 02:37 PM
Back from dentist, got hit with a massive bill!

Will defo have an impact on my roll cause I have to withdraw some to cover other stuff.

Currently considering either playing the nano stakes games again or maybe rb grinding cash at a dif site. Idk..
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10-31-2014 , 08:05 PM
Played another session of $2~ abi, 70% 180's. Lost more manies.

Cashed out 90% of roll to skrill, it's either going straight to my bank acc or to another site for rb grinding. Have a tiny bit left on stars, will try grind it up but i doubt anyone would be interested in that

Some sick sh*t happening in my deep runs, well not that sick but just sucks not to catch even one break (in the important stages) in a 85 game session with 12-15 deep runs.

To give a small idea, not a bad beat vent, in fact same aren't even beats. It's all just variance, variance i could have done without =)

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    Poker Stars, $0.91 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32230322

    MP: 48,735 (60.9 bb)
    CO: 24,176 (30.2 bb)
    BTN: 14,159 (17.7 bb)
    Hero (SB): 10,782 (13.5 bb)
    BB: 50,390 (63 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A K
    2 folds, BTN raises to 2,400, Hero raises to 10,707 and is all-in, BB folds, BTN calls 8,307

    Flop: (22,589) Q 7 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (22,589) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (22,589) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Results: 22,589 pot
    Final Board: Q 7 7 A 9
    BTN showed 9 A and won 22,589 (11,807 net)
    Hero showed A K and lost (-10,782 net)



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      Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32230332

      BB: 13,127 (8.2 bb)
      UTG: 34,280 (21.4 bb)
      Hero (MP): 22,221 (13.9 bb)
      CO: 30,506 (19.1 bb)
      BTN: 33,124 (20.7 bb)
      SB: 24,753 (15.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with A K
      UTG folds, Hero raises to 3,247, 2 folds, SB raises to 24,603 and is all-in, BB folds, Hero calls 18,824 and is all-in

      Flop: (46,642) Q 2 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      Turn: (46,642) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: (46,642) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Results: 46,642 pot
      Final Board: Q 2 8 9 K
      Hero showed A K and lost (-22,221 net)
      SB showed A A and won 46,642 (24,421 net)



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        Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (600/1,200 blinds, 125 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32230342

        BB: 46,714 (38.9 bb)
        UTG+2: 9,037 (7.5 bb)
        MP1: 12,365 (10.3 bb)
        Hero (MP2): 20,701 (17.3 bb)
        MP3: 26,652 (22.2 bb)
        CO: 4,807 (4 bb)
        BTN: 41,719 (34.8 bb)
        SB: 4,716 (3.9 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T T
        2 folds, Hero raises to 2,435, MP3 raises to 26,527 and is all-in, 4 folds, Hero calls 18,141 and is all-in

        Flop: (43,952) A 5 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        Turn: (43,952) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        River: (43,952) 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

        Results: 43,952 pot
        Final Board: A 5 8 3 8
        Hero showed T T and lost (-20,701 net)
        MP3 showed 9 A and won 43,952 (23,251 net)



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          Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (600/1,200 blinds, 125 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32230352

          SB: 12,597 (10.5 bb)
          BB: 22,112 (18.4 bb)
          MP1: 41,119 (34.3 bb)
          Hero (MP2): 6,859 (5.7 bb)
          MP3: 41,603 (34.7 bb)
          CO: 29,415 (24.5 bb)
          BTN: 18,860 (15.7 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8 T
          MP1 folds, Hero raises to 6,734 and is all-in, MP3 raises to 41,478 and is all-in, 4 folds

          Flop: (16,143) A 2 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
          Turn: (16,143) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
          River: (16,143) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)

          Results: 16,143 pot
          Final Board: A 2 3 9 A
          Hero showed 8 T and lost (-6,859 net)
          MP3 showed 6 6 and won 16,143 (9,284 net)



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            Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (600/1,200 blinds, 125 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32230362

            BTN: 2,535 (2.1 bb)
            SB: 2,332 (1.9 bb)
            BB: 187 (0.2 bb)
            UTG+1: 17,662 (14.7 bb)
            UTG+2: 74,034 (61.7 bb)
            MP1: 6,830 (5.7 bb)
            Hero (MP2): 12,448 (10.4 bb)
            MP3: 12,053 (10 bb)
            CO: 18,320 (15.3 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A K
            UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to 2,400, MP1 folds, Hero raises to 12,323 and is all-in, 4 folds, UTG+2 calls 9,923

            Flop: (26,433) J 5 7 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
            Turn: (26,433) 8 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
            River: (26,433) 4 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

            Results: 26,433 pot
            Final Board: J 5 7 8 4
            BB showed 5 5 and won 1,373 (1,186 net)
            UTG+2 showed Q J and won 25,060 (12,612 net)
            Hero showed A K and lost (-12,448 net)



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              Poker Stars, $0.91 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32230372

              MP3: 11,942 (19.9 bb)
              CO: 11,720 (19.5 bb)
              BTN: 4,372 (7.3 bb)
              SB: 26,071 (43.5 bb)
              Hero (BB): 7,797 (13 bb)
              MP1: 7,510 (12.5 bb)
              MP2: 3,246 (5.4 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BB with A 6
              3 folds, CO raises to 1,200, 2 folds, Hero raises to 7,747 and is all-in, CO calls 6,547

              Flop: (16,144) 4 J K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
              Turn: (16,144) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
              River: (16,144) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

              Results: 16,144 pot
              Final Board: 4 J K T 3
              CO showed K Q and won 16,144 (8,347 net)
              Hero showed A 6 and lost (-7,797 net)



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                Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (500/1,000 blinds, 100 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32230392

                MP2: 13,885 (13.9 bb)
                MP3: 8,644 (8.6 bb)
                CO: 15,456 (15.5 bb)
                BTN: 12,004 (12 bb)
                Hero (SB): 6,234 (6.2 bb)
                BB: 10,499 (10.5 bb)
                UTG+2: 11,621 (11.6 bb)
                MP1: 550 (0.6 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
                2 folds, MP2 raises to 3,000, 3 folds, Hero raises to 6,134 and is all-in, BB folds, MP2 calls 3,134

                Flop: (14,068) A J 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                Turn: (14,068) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                River: (14,068) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                Results: 14,068 pot
                Final Board: A J 5 7 8
                MP2 showed A T and won 14,068 (7,834 net)
                Hero showed K K and lost (-6,234 net)



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                  Poker Stars, $0.91 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32230402

                  Hero (SB): 11,394 (38 bb)
                  BB: 6,069 (20.2 bb)
                  MP1: 6,963 (23.2 bb)
                  MP2: 17,174 (57.2 bb)
                  MP3: 11,020 (36.7 bb)
                  CO: 2,125 (7.1 bb)
                  BTN: 18,343 (61.1 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is SB with A J
                  5 folds, Hero raises to 608, BB raises to 6,044 and is all-in, Hero calls 5,436

                  Flop: (12,263) 4 8 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                  Turn: (12,263) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                  River: (12,263) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                  Results: 12,263 pot
                  Final Board: 4 8 6 6 K
                  Hero showed A J and lost (-6,069 net)
                  BB showed Q T and won 12,263 (6,194 net)



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                    Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
                    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32230412

                    SB: 4,834 (6 bb)
                    BB: 13,181 (16.5 bb)
                    MP1: 22,463 (28.1 bb)
                    Hero (MP2): 5,775 (7.2 bb)
                    MP3: 3,705 (4.6 bb)
                    CO: 13,334 (16.7 bb)
                    BTN: 3,912 (4.9 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9 9
                    MP1 folds, Hero raises to 5,700 and is all-in, 4 folds, BB calls 4,900

                    Flop: (12,325) 5 6 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                    Turn: (12,325) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                    River: (12,325) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                    Results: 12,325 pot
                    Final Board: 5 6 4 A Q
                    BB showed A K and won 12,325 (6,550 net)
                    Hero showed 9 9 and lost (-5,775 net)



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                      Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
                      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32230422

                      MP2: 1,165 (2.9 bb)
                      MP3: 1,519 (3.8 bb)
                      CO: 5,413 (13.5 bb)
                      BTN: 4,452 (11.1 bb)
                      SB: 3,802 (9.5 bb)
                      BB: 3,790 (9.5 bb)
                      Hero (UTG+2): 5,193 (13 bb)
                      MP1: 8,209 (20.5 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J J
                      Hero raises to 5,000, 6 folds, BB calls 3,340 and is all-in

                      Flop: (8,080) Q 6 T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                      Turn: (8,080) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                      River: (8,080) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                      Results: 8,080 pot
                      Final Board: Q 6 T A 9
                      BB showed 6 6 and won 8,080 (4,290 net)
                      Hero showed J J and lost (-3,790 net)



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                      10-31-2014 , 08:37 PM
                      2.50 must be some of the craziest games going.

                      We need variance to be massively on our side when we play these games

                      Rather than withdraw your roll why don't you stick to non turbo games for a spell.

                      Obviously you hourly drops theoretically, but there is plenty of games there to allow you to get back to basics and regain your confidence

                      A mixture of $1 180, 1.50 90 man KO, 2.50 90 man, 3.50 45 man and 4.50 180 man should give you a good spread of games without resorting simply to flipping for stacks.

                      There may be easier sites out there but failing transferring to cash there is currently no where other than PS with such liquidity in games.

                      Stick with it mate. You know you are doing all the right things
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                      10-31-2014 , 09:34 PM
                      Thanks for the post mate.

                      Solid advice also. Problem is I have to take some money out of my roll anyway to cover the unexpected cost of the dentist.

                      So I'd probably have had to drop to a $1 abi anyway. Decided one last session cause I felt in the zone (played well too imo) but couldn't flip well.

                      Idk, I just feel that for someone with an improved but still fragile mindset I picked the worst variance games possible, apart from hypers. Maybe it's a case of the grass is greener etc but something appeals to me about a cash grind with good rb.

                      The roll is just sitting in skrill for now anyway, no decision properly made yet.
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                      11-03-2014 , 05:13 AM
                      What roll are you leaving on stars? It's easy to make reasonable money at that ABI - just play the 0.50 turbos (45, 90, and 180-man) and the 0.25 45/90 and 1.00 regular 45-mans, ratio according to how much you prefer turbos or regulars
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