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Originally Posted by wilbow
It is a generalised read, if you're going with it you might as well shove the turn. It's an overbet on a paired board so it's terrible if he still calls with a flush draw. Betting 400 on flop and 7-800 on turn is horrible advice IMO, since you're not barreling him off anything, you're just letting him see the river cheaper and then if he hits he's calling anyway. Even the river shove would be about 2/3 pot. Why not shut him out with a turn shove? And if you put him on a flush draw (and he doesn't have the 9), then your A3 is winning the vast majority of the time anyway... confusing...
I understand slightly where you are coming from, but why would we want inferior hands to fold especially if we put him on a flush draw?
When we bet we bet for 1 of 2 reasons
1) To get inferior hands to call
2) To get better hands to fold
We want to make our opponents make mistakes.
In this particular hand, maybe with the overbet shove on the turn he calls anyway, but I think our reasoning has been skewed a little by the outcome and knowing what he has
If hero has a read that he is on a flush draw, then we want the opponent to stay in the hand although we want to charge him a premium to get there.
Why overbet shove the turn when a smaller bet gives him incorrect drawing odds anyway?
Of course sometimes he gets there, thats poker, but we made V make a mistake to get there. Thats all we can do