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09-19-2022 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by waxies_dargle
Is betting the flop not a thing here 3 way? too deep? Does it change at 100bb deep?
Afaik you can generally bet without significant range or nut advantage IP so like ur IP on one guy ur betting freq goes up a lot. That’s my heuristic from limited study on mw pots. Like the SB isn’t really allowed to lead afaik.

Generally want position, nut advantage or range advantage to justify betting.
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09-20-2022 , 02:35 AM
Had a nice session +3k. Running hot vs bad players is a nice time!

Highlight was defs watching some old Chinese whale call off 700 on the river with ace high because he thought the other guy was bluffing. Other guy showed 77xx on K9552 or smt and took it. Sick thin value bet lol.

Same whale a little while later raise SB over 4 limps, I call A889ss nut hearts flop As8s2c 6 ways, whale bets like 75, I have ~400 behind and jam it in… was a little bit sus just cause I’m not gonna get crazy action from worse other than from the whale, but could be drawing dead if somebody slowplay AA pre… but given I have ace blocker I go with it. Whale had king high flush draw and bricked.

Reg limps, I raise +1 with TT66ss 8 handed, another Reg 3bets from CO. BB cold calls, UTG calls I call flop QsTs5h I have no fd blocker check to CO who bets like 85% pot. Folds to me I call (I don’t think I’m even raising most my QQ here we are like 1.5k deep in a 1/2 game it’s such a disaster to play weak top set OOP here after raising imo). Turn 5c and it goes check check. River 4c and I check not gonna lead anything cause I think he’s gonna value bet aces (which is I’m almost 100% sure a large mistake), he bets 400 I call he has aces. It’s just way too thin after he bombs the flop 4 ways.

Last interesting hand I have AQJTss with queen high hearts, 3 limps to me on BTN, I raise we go 3 ways to flop like 2k eff. Flop is KdQd7s, checks around. Turn 5c or smt, a low brick. And UTG bets like 40% pot. Folds to me I call, river is Jc. He checks, I tank and bet 66%. He tanks, raises to 400. And idk why but I just called, I thought the rake would be more if I called and chopped but the pot was way over cap. And he’s just like oh **** I didn’t think you had it and tables AAQ.

So basically, I am looking forward to playing live :P
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09-20-2022 , 03:08 AM
2nd hand of course weÂ’ll have leads, we not going to stab with any of our bluffs otr? Also if he was bluffing flop and gave up on turn, hes prob never going to bluff that river in practice.

Also on the flip side letÂ’s be real dude, in practice a regs never gonna x QQ or 55 on turn when you guys are that deep, heÂ’ll obv want to start piling in the money or at least bet small so I wonder how bad a raise is otr at least exploitatively (prob too greedy?)

is it bad if he always vb AA, maybe exploit small raise?? Obv disaster if he does have QQ and 55 though so call seems best but feel like we should go max exploit playing live.

I also wonder if betting AA on turn in villains shoes is better than x, have no idea when you guys are that deep. I’d prob also double barrel a lot of my semi bluffs on turn as well so I wonder if we can fit AA in there as well (pretty sure we can), anyways gl dude. Let’s finish off September strong.

Last edited by iGotUrPistola; 09-20-2022 at 03:16 AM.
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09-20-2022 , 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by iGotUrPistola
2nd hand of course weÂ’ll have leads, we not going to stab with any of our bluffs otr? Also if he was bluffing flop and gave up on turn, hes prob never going to bluff that river in practice.

Also on the flip side letÂ’s be real dude, in practice a regs never gonna x QQ or 55 on turn when you guys are that deep, heÂ’ll obv want to start piling in the money or at least bet small so I wonder how bad a raise is otr at least exploitatively (prob too greedy?)

is it bad if he always vb AA, maybe exploit small raise?? Obv disaster if he does have QQ and 55 though so call seems best but feel like we should go max exploit playing live.

I also wonder if betting AA on turn in villains shoes is better than x, have no idea when you guys are that deep. I’d prob also double barrel a lot of my semi bluffs on turn as well so I wonder if we can fit AA in there as well (pretty sure we can), anyways gl dude. Let’s finish off September strong.
I think otr lead is not standard bc nuts doesn't really change. Unless it's block sizing. But back to flop he bet sooo big like, I am folding a lot of reasonable hands. The issue is QT actually has a little bit of showdown, because he can have a busted wrap + fd. And I would like to xr bluff that hand, instead of leading it on river. Basically the question is a hand like AJJT with nut spades going to want to bluff this river? If yes then I think lead is justified, if no then I think highest EV is a lot of check.

As far as block sizing, I am nearly certain he won't be raising AA if I block for like 20%. But quite a few players will be value betting aces if I check. As far as leading big, I think he can start to find folds with maybe even 5x if I pot it for example.

As far as check back QQ or 55, defs takes a certain player to pull some sneaky **** on us... I had no info on him, so it might be ok to just assume he's not going to check back the nuts all that often.

exploit small raise I like if I'm thinking he's not checking back nuts. Especially he can have random 5, 5Q whatever. Just when he bets so big on the flop I'm discounting a lot of those hands.

I think the only AA he should bet on the flop for that size contain flush draw + straight draw. So OTT even tho he has a generally strong hand, after the flop sizing I think he has to be checking back, and checking back river. I feel like our stronger semi bluffs in villains shoes want to check back turn, because if they bet turn and get called can't comfortably bet river for value when they hit. I think I'd start my value threshold at A5xxx and better.


And yes! Good luck for the rest of September!
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09-20-2022 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by KnoxKnoxJoke
I think otr lead is not standard bc nuts doesn't really change. Unless it's block sizing. But back to flop he bet sooo big like, I am folding a lot of reasonable hands. The issue is QT actually has a little bit of showdown, because he can have a busted wrap + fd. And I would like to xr bluff that hand, instead of leading it on river. Basically the question is a hand like AJJT with nut spades going to want to bluff this river? If yes then I think lead is justified, if no then I think highest EV is a lot of check.

As far as block sizing, I am nearly certain he won't be raising AA if I block for like 20%. But quite a few players will be value betting aces if I check. As far as leading big, I think he can start to find folds with maybe even 5x if I pot it for example.

As far as check back QQ or 55, defs takes a certain player to pull some sneaky **** on us... I had no info on him, so it might be ok to just assume he's not going to check back the nuts all that often.

exploit small raise I like if I'm thinking he's not checking back nuts. Especially he can have random 5, 5Q whatever. Just when he bets so big on the flop I'm discounting a lot of those hands.

I think the only AA he should bet on the flop for that size contain flush draw + straight draw. So OTT even tho he has a generally strong hand, after the flop sizing I think he has to be checking back, and checking back river. I feel like our stronger semi bluffs in villains shoes want to check back turn, because if they bet turn and get called can't comfortably bet river for value when they hit. I think I'd start my value threshold at A5xxx and better.


And yes! Good luck for the rest of September!


Hmm, so you think if we do bluff river it should only be for a small sizing . That’s interesting, have no idea if that’s true. I guess that makes sense though? Large sizing seems unnecessary bc he always calls hands w/ showdown and folds all his air? Yea, I don’t see why’d we’d ever turn AJJT nut spades into a bluff, we still have sdv. I’m talking more like J987ds otr. I don’t think I want to go small with that hand but not sure.


Also I disagree villain ever folds A5 or any 5 if he x back turn. Most ppl won’t fold otr if they take that line on the turn. Also QT can lead for pot once it’s been counterfeited to get AA to fold.

Yea, that’s one thing I’m the most unsure about. Not really sure if ott with our stronger draws like AKJ nut spades if we should be double barreling. Sure, if we bet and get called and we hit otr it makes it a bit awkward to go for value but at the same time we have A high and can get KK, Qx and Tx with some equity to fold and have equity when called, but that may not be worth getting potentially x/r and pushed off our equity. But yea, live does seem super soft, great way to rebuild your roll.
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09-20-2022 , 05:03 AM
Actually QT leading for pot to get AA to fold is wrong or is bad imo we have sdv (don’t hate a block though, and you’re right AA in practice prob never raises vs block in the pools we play so we save money vs AA assuming he goes for larger vb than our block).


If they do bluff QT it’ll be with the xr. I still think most ppl won’t fold a 5 though given turn x, unless maybe vs full pot but still doubtful. Also going to check the hand from the other post, trainer has 3 way flops for BTN vs SB vs BB now.

Last edited by iGotUrPistola; 09-20-2022 at 05:20 AM.
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09-20-2022 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by iGotUrPistola
Hmm, so you think if we do bluff river it should only be for a small sizing . That’s interesting, have no idea if that’s true. I guess that makes sense though? Large sizing seems unnecessary bc he always calls hands w/ showdown and folds all his air? Yea, I don’t see why’d we’d ever turn AJJT nut spades into a bluff, we still have sdv. I’m talking more like J987ds otr. I don’t think I want to go small with that hand but not sure.


Also I disagree villain ever folds A5 or any 5 if he x back turn. Most ppl won’t fold otr if they take that line on the turn. Also QT can lead for pot once it’s been counterfeited to get AA to fold.

Yea, that’s one thing I’m the most unsure about. Not really sure if ott with our stronger draws like AKJ nut spades if we should be double barreling. Sure, if we bet and get called and we hit otr it makes it a bit awkward to go for value but at the same time we have A high and can get KK, Qx and Tx with some equity to fold and have equity when called, but that may not be worth getting potentially x/r and pushed off our equity. But yea, live does seem super soft, great way to rebuild your roll.
Are you peeling flop with J987ds? I’m concerned his flop 85% cbet into 3 ppl range is going to have us crushed. I honestly think I’d fold.
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09-20-2022 , 12:33 PM
lol you nit! yea, i mean you prob have to peel ones with fd's but you indeed can be crushed.
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09-20-2022 , 01:58 PM
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lol you nit! yea, i mean you prob have to peel ones with fd's but you indeed can be crushed.
:P maybe a little bit. IP I’m floating, continuing wide. But my OOP strategy is a lot of general passivity I think.

Think I have been bleeding from BB last two sessions. Bring in is 5 and open is to 15. But it’s 1/2 uncapped. I should play the BB soooooooooo ****ing tightly…

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09-22-2022 , 02:48 PM
Had a bad session in a private game down 1500 - lost a 7.5k pot at 1/2 in a nice spot vs some whale. AAQ6ss vs AKJ9ss mostly all in pre for 2000bb.

Back to the grind tonight!
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09-22-2022 , 04:41 PM
singel suited and got the suit on the river or spades x) or against QT
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09-22-2022 , 08:26 PM
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singel suited and got the suit on the river or spades x) or against QT
Flop T8x
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09-23-2022 , 12:48 AM
Got some bankroll advice from some ppl in a strategy discord - set a limit for myself where if I'm sitting deeper than 2k with somebody at the table, cash out. Will lead to less headaches for now, until I stack the roll a bit more. Went to casino and the PLO game was short handed, so they bumped the rake down to $5 and we bumped the blinds up to play some 5-5 PLO. Cashed out after getting deeper than 2k after freerolling an OMC.
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09-23-2022 , 08:35 AM
Nice to see this still going
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09-30-2022 , 09:22 PM
End of September



Good results this month, only started playing live last couple weeks of the month but games have been good and I have been running hot.

Goals for October is take care of myself physically (work out more, healthier food, wear mask on transit/casino to not catch colds and random ****)

I switched up my school schedule by not going to class on monday and wednesday to grind casino, the classes are optional and I study at home a lot to make up for the lecture information I'm missing out on .

Haven't really been hanging out with friends, virtually no time outside of grind, school and gf.

*EDIT

What do we think about home games? There is a maximum bet amount of $2500 in BC, so higher stakes games don't work in casinos. Instead all the action is in home games. But they all seem to be extremely high rake, and potentially sketchy. An option is I go to casino in the states like vegas or smt to grind after stacking the roll a bit more. GF would be pretty unhappy abt that though, so idk... Should I be negotiating some sort of rakeback or smt with home game hosts? I have no clue.
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10-05-2022 , 01:55 AM


Made it past 10k profit mark! Fairly short period of time, running hot, but there are also some interesting factors that make my situation uniquely profitable imo. Don't want to get too into it though.

For now, my plan is to be conservative with BRM, and wait until I have a decent sample to gain a better estimate of my win rate.

I hear games are good in Alberta, I am making a weekend trip out there in December. Will have to check it out!
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10-05-2022 , 05:56 AM
Good luck in Alberta, insane results so far... Do you play PLO 4/5/6 cards? Do you mix? whats the canvas in the US ? Here in Europe, we have some nice 5c PLO games. in the UK they love 6cards but on the mainland, usually you can play 4 or 5 cards. You should def check out Dusk til Dawn for 6 cards. Amazing games !
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10-05-2022 , 01:21 PM
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Good luck in Alberta, insane results so far... Do you play PLO 4/5/6 cards? Do you mix? whats the canvas in the US ? Here in Europe, we have some nice 5c PLO games. in the UK they love 6cards but on the mainland, usually you can play 4 or 5 cards. You should def check out Dusk til Dawn for 6 cards. Amazing games !
Hi, just PLO 4 cards for now casino only offers 4 cards. If there was 5 card or 6 card I’d defs consider it
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10-06-2022 , 02:02 PM
Made a couple purchases yesterday

Got an iPhone 12, somewhat needed bc I couldn’t text / phone or connect to wifi consistently with the old phone

Got an iPad mini, to grind online while I’m at casino.

Also dumped off at a home game 3.6k in the last couple weeks… I need to stay away from these fkn home games!!!!!

High rake, shady ****…. Idk why I go
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10-07-2022 , 12:38 PM
Problem with Parq is it’s extremely swingy since its uncapped. Generally the rule of thumb I go by is if someone covers me for $2k I cash out I think similiar to you. But I use a 4 buy in of $300.

The game is very limp heavy so I use a limp/all in strategy works for me.

Have you tried to play on Bodog? Much better than PP.

Anyways, see you on the felt!
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10-07-2022 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by adrianpk
Problem with Parq is it’s extremely swingy since its uncapped. Generally the rule of thumb I go by is if someone covers me for $2k I cash out I think similiar to you. But I use a 4 buy in of $300.

The game is very limp heavy so I use a limp/all in strategy works for me.

Have you tried to play on Bodog? Much better than PP.

Anyways, see you on the felt!
Yeah, has felt very swingy. Esp when later into the night some guys show up with 2k stacks.

Have been splitting UTG and UTG+1 between limp and rfi. But I’m not sure if the higher EV from rfi strat makes it worth splitting cause it’s way more complicated. Would have to see some 9max PLO preflop sims, am not aware of any that are publicly available rn tho.

I tried playnow briefly, felt worse than PP so bodog is defs next to try.

GL on the tables!
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10-07-2022 , 06:52 PM
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Yeah, has felt very swingy. Esp when later into the night some guys show up with 2k stacks.

Have been splitting UTG and UTG+1 between limp and rfi. But I’m not sure if the higher EV from rfi strat makes it worth splitting cause it’s way more complicated. Would have to see some 9max PLO preflop sims, am not aware of any that are publicly available rn tho.

I tried playnow briefly, felt worse than PP so bodog is defs next to try.

GL on the tables!
Ah, also just thought about this. A limp in this game is technically a raise to $5 ie 2.5x, a sizing that is supported. Raise to $15 makes things really weird and idk if it’s ideal. But you don’t lose money when getting 3bet mostly I find in this game, so I’m ok rfi even if the sizing is massive.
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10-12-2022 , 10:45 PM
Mid-Month Update:

Unfortunately, going to have to go back to online for the next little while. Games haven’t been very good, combined with a $4500 (15BI) downswing in the last 3 days, I don’t have the bankroll to keep grinding live.

Still had good results, up abt 9k total from live.

Going to deposit onto ignition, take tomorrow off to do some study and brush up on my knowledge, then get back into the streets on Friday!

In theory based on normal games, I still have the roll to grind live. However, this game is extremely swingy, swingier than I originally anticipated. So better to just move down in stakes for now to .5/1, where I have proven track record and know I can make decent hourly.
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10-12-2022 , 11:53 PM
I don’t trust home games unless I am good friends with most of the people in attendance.
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10-13-2022 , 12:00 AM
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I don’t trust home games unless I am good friends with most of the people in attendance.
Good friends with one of the two hosts. But I still have my suspicions
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