I've played around with both PLOTrainer and Vision a bunch so I might be able to help, but can you clarify the question about the 60EV? I'm not seeing "60" anywhere in the pics but I could be missing it.

Where are the rest of the Q533ds combos when you filtered for BTNvCO VPIP? Do you have a setting on that hides PF mixes?

Not sure if Vision updated recently, but the slower speed at which hands loaded while drilling was a deal breaker for me.

the 60 ev is just the difference between the worst Q533 combo (~-30) and the best Q533 combo (+30).

The other Q533ds combos were scattered throughout the scroll bar iirc, I just took a screenshot of the top and bottom. I don't know if any setting like that was enabled, could see that or also the low weight of Q533 giving the funky outputs.

Vision still loads slower for me sometimes, depending on the situation. For example if I try to load a turn spot it takes longer to load than a flop spot.

Back to basically even for the month, stopped playing bad tables, and started redlining more.

Currently a bit sick, have taken many breaks this month for health. Haven't been to the gym at all, have been dealing with covid, and just randomly getting sick a lot.

Basically volume has sucked, similar to some issues with last month. Just want to feel 100% for a couple days and get back to normal routine.

10k profit obviously unlikely to happen at this point, but will be putting in volume the last couple days to try and hit 10k hands played at least But I won't be playing more tables or anything, just trying to put in more hours.

Diet / exercise largely slacking this month, but I excuse myself regarding that because of covid and stuff.

Haven't had the urge to play live recently, really want to start playing higher stakes online so I need to focus on online. The highest stakes offered by casino (I don't want to play higher stake home games) is 1/2PLO uncapped, with a rake cap of $12. So I seriously doubt it will be worth playing live for a while.

No enticing tournament series has kept me from shot taking tournaments online.

Generally okay with how this month has gone, I am looking forward to crushing July in good health and in a good mental state!

Randomly feel like posting, about to write my English midterm in 5 minutes. End of the month is going really well in terms of poker. Want to buy a standing desk because my posture has gone to ****. Also want to figure out a way to put more hours into poker while doing school :/

Currently sitting at 7616 hands played this month. Need 2.4k more hands before I send everything to the head coach to get evaluated for moving up stakes.

Currently sitting at 11.57 bb/100 ev adjusted at only 1/2. Hopefully I can increase that winrate / keep it at a similar level!





Poker not dead?

End of June



Would have needed more volume to hit 10k profit, 14bb/100 all in adjusted. I hope this is enough to move up to 2/4, just waiting on the coach to take a look at my database.

In my mind I am ready to move up stakes, I'm looking forward to consistently playing 2/4 online for the first time in my life.

Have been battling a nasty viral infection the last week, so wasn't putting in quite as much volume as I liked.

Worth nothing the beginning of month downswing was likely caused by studying too much and playing too little. Was a little confused on implementing certain strategies.

July Goals

-Assuming I get moved up, put in 10k hands at 2/4

-Get back to the gym as soon as I am feeling better

-Continue doing well at school

Going to start grinding 2/4 for the first time in my life so excited, looking forward to this month for sure

Unfortunately getting totally ****ed so far. Lost 3.8k today. However not tilted or anything, I am going to make some changes to my game selection and approach the rest of July with ferocity!

At gf place abt to head out but wanted to make an update first! Got moved back down from 2/4 to 1/2 for 5k hands, played bad in some bad games that I ran badly in.

Solution after I play 5k more hands with good play at 1/2 is to table select a little more and ignore volume (have heard from other stable members that the games are not good atm.).

In addition going to study 5 card more in order to gain access to more of those tables.

Just recovered from a severe bacterial throat infection that had me missing the gym, eating next to nothing and missing school for 2 weeks. May have also contributed to my poor performance at 2/4. Getting misdiagnosed sucks.

Looking forward to getting my life back together after the infection kind of threw a wrench in my plans!

Had a meeting with one of the coaches this morning, gained some insight into my biggest leak.

Essentially in large pots, when facing a strong line, I tend to play really aggressive and spew off trying to make my opponent fold a big hand. Which is hurting my win rate severely.

Example open AJ95 nut suit in CO, SB call… flop JJ8 two tone, he x I cbet he raise 75% I call, turn T bringing in BDFD he barrel I peel, river is 3 of front door flush draw he bet $130 into $170~ and I rip it for like $350.

Line is not bad in theory because I am at bottom of range, and unblock some spades idk. But not a great line when villain only has J8 or JT.

Other than this leak, I play a little too loose RFI in 5card PLO (haven’t studied it that much yet). Was just a session review but my stats looked mostly reasonable, and he said that my thought processes were logical, so that is encouraging!

Looking forward to getting back on the 2/4 grind!

Hey, great blog, subbed! Also sent you a DM if you could check it out.

Seems fine, unless you know sb is nit.

In these app games the assumption is basically if they take a strong line they always have it. I believe he was a clear recreational as well. But yeah prolly fine in a vacuum.

Finished a quick session, first session back at 2/4! Felt pretty easy, table selected a bit better avoiding all reg tables. Avoiding 5 card omaha for now. Going to focus on 4 card and be more willing to play 1/2 tables in order to get anywhere from 3-8 tables running at once.

So far in July, I'm pretty frustrated and confused.

This is my graph.



Down about 10k.

I don't understand because I started table selecting better, and feel like my play has mostly improved. But idk why I'm losing so much.

Posted a hand in the stable chat where I said I'm checking range UTG vs MP cold call on Q53 two tone. And the response I got is to not check range and my hand is clearly a cbet. But solver is basically checking range (96% check 4% cbet). And didn't get a great response except "these are not GTO games people don't play GTO ranges u shouldn't play GTO". Which is frustrating because whats the point in studying? They say to study with solver, study cbet spots etc. And then when I start implementing it they say well actually don't do any of that.

Losing massive pots to whales, lost a 3k pot today to a 90/42 that just made the nuts and slowplayed in a spot that made no sense. And have never seen him play like that. It was a spot where I widened my 3bet range 300bb+ deep in position, so I'm worried if I share the hand with the stable they will think it's spewy (it might be spewy, but I think the play is justifiable when V is punting off post flop and vpipping 90%. The hand was JsTs9s8d fwiw on the button facing UTG open (loose player) and whale call in CO).

Basically after I finished the 5k hands at 1/2 the games have felt impossible to beat. Even though there are plenty of fish and the regs seem to be really bad, the fish always make the nuts and never pay me off, and the regs I'm mostly beating I think, but for a small amount and getting profits eaten by the rake. Been paying about $400USD in rake per day.

So idk mostly just a vent post. Don't really have any idea on what to change. Afraid I'm going to get moved back down to 1/2 when I'm 10k deep in makeup, even though I think my play is mostly good with the occasional bad read or spewy play. If that happens idk what I'm going to do because it's not like tournament staking where a couple wins can put you back to even. Plus some guy in the stable chat that is supposedly crushing the games was like "oh I don't think ur mentality is good I don't think ur gonna be able to beat 2/4 with that mentality". And I've talked to him decently in PM, he seems alright? But he described his strategy as "I don't really bluff much". Which doesn't make sense he is playing 2/4 3/6 and 4/8 and just crushes the games by rarely bluffing and just playing the nuts? To me it seems like a bad and rudimentary strategy. His advice to me was "stop trying to bluff".

On the positive side, I got back into the gym and school is going well. Also my relationship with my gf is great so I am thankful for that.

Anyways, pretty frustrated ATM. Going to take the rest of tonight off and try to begin salvaging the month tomorrow!

Edit* have stopped playing 5c omaha games as well, because I'm unable to track them properly and want to make sure I'm playing well. And I am seriously concerned about collusion.

Regarding the GTO stuff and UTG checking. Understand why solver checks, but dont start just range checking because of it. There are plenty of reason to bet with some hands. What if you flop a strong hand and play vs calling station fish. Of course you want to start building a pot. He will not stab aggressively, he is not gonna raise your c bets, he is not gonna put you in tough spots later streets etc. Now when you play vs good regs then of course you need more solid strategy.

And the guy you say is crushing. He may not even be good plo player, but if he is playing agasint ppl who constantly call down with weak hands then it makes little sense to try and bluff them. Just take them to value town, bluff very little and you are winning a lot. That is how you exploit those players. That is what makes them weak, they do not realize you are almost never bluffing and justcall with hands they never should. Yes it is boring, it may even be a little mind numbing, but that strategy can print in very weak games.

It is kind of like some live games where you have a guy or two who just like to gamble and play lot of hands. Where is the value in running super solid bluff with best blockers etc. when they just sigh call you down with bottom 2 pair where it is "never" good

Yeah, that was my thoughts as well. But I was recommended to even against regs just cbet hands that are good to cbet.

Regarding pool strength, of course vs some stations I shouldn’t bluff. My experience this month hasn’t been getting called light though, it’s been bluffing into the nuts. I just think it’s a weird way to describe your game, as not bluffing a lot.

If I was bluffing and getting called light I’d have a much easier time changing my play, but it seems like people aren’t willing to make big call downs, and I’m just running into the nuts over and over. Maybe people are trapping way more? Idk. My river agg isn’t that high so idk.

Yeah, well you could just very easily be running bad and that is it. 10k hands is almost like no sample. I used to play that amount of hands in a day on fast forward format and after a while it became obvious that 10k hands can swing widly even with decent win rate. I had like 1k hand stretch where I lost around 15bi and there was nothing I could have done about it. Also many other fairly quick 10-15bi swings, not to mention long below ev runs etc.

So as long as you are happy with your play and have solid reasons to back your decisions you are most likely on right track. Cant control the results sadly

Yeah, I appreciate the feedback. I should be concerned about my mental game, and approach the next 10k hands roughly the same strategically I think. The amount of time it takes to play 10k hands on apps is deceptive and made me lose touch with how few hands it really is.

I guess I'm a little bit concerned that I won't internalize much feedback unless it's "you might just be running bad". But I do have confidence in my game, even though I make spewy plays sometimes. So idk.

those spewy plays add up, especially if you don't have a decent WR. my advice is, record some footage 2-3 tabling while talking through your thought process. have a coach review the footage and see where your though process is failing. be open to being wrong and stop trying to combat why you're wrong. don't overcomplicate spots, instead try to find simplifications that are easy to execute in real time. you're playing on apps, not playing vs the imba's of the plo world. glgl

That's good advice. Thanks! Agree with spewy plays adding up, although I think they are largely due to mental leaks of not wanting to give up in big pots. Recording my sessions is something I'm trying to do more, have had some session review coachings. I'm open to being wrong, but I can also disagree with what other people think I'm doing wrong, which is maybe an issue right now.

Some advice I can take and implement pretty easily, but other advice even when coming from a player that is generally better, I just disagree with. Just because a player is better overall doesn't mean they are correct on all things.

For example, my simplification on Q52 was to not worry about the small % of cbet, just simplify and check range. But it's not maximum EV on these tables. I understand why and can implement fairly easily.

However I also got the suggestion to just bluff very little, don't bluff fishes etc. And I strongly disagree with this suggestion. Fish are capable of folding too, it takes a very special opponent with prior history for me to not consider bluffing with my bluff candidates. I'm not trying to just show down Q high T high etc. Although I'll be more conservative in lines where they are likely to have a big hand. For example this hand I just played today.



Villain is loose fish, no other reads. Preflop is call but I think vs loose fish 3bet is better. Calling is imo clearly the worst option on the river, so just rip it or fold. And I think the play in theory is rip, and probably in practice even vs fish ripping is best. I'll post the hand in the stable chat and see what people think. But sometimes I just run into some Q8 or whatever and feel like I'm spewing.

Just trying my best to stay focused and calm through this downswing. The main things that tilt me are losing over and over to whales, and suspecting collusion at the tables.



This hand especially was so WTF. Who donks full pot for 146 leaving 255 behind, INTO THE 3 BETTOR, AND THEN FOLDS to a raise??? This hand is just insanity. When I was playing at 1/2, I was told that collusion didn't really start until 2/4 on apps. So I was like ok seems fine, but now that I'm at 2/4 nobody has told me anything about protecting myself from collusion (I specifically asked one of the coaches months ago, and he said that he was "working on something"). If collusion starts at 2/4 for 4 cards, it seems like it would make sense to at least educate horses on protecting themself. IDK, feeling somewhat dubious regarding the stable. Doesn't help that I've also been waiting a long time for last months cash out (This isn't really a gripe with the stable, I asked about it and was told that the payments are pending. So not really worried / not something they necessarily have control over.)

Also doesn't help that a couple months ago, somebody got kicked from the stable for "bad results", after accusing some of the high stakes players of collusion. Apparently the high stake players go into skype call to join tables with fish together to prevent there from being space on the table to get colluded against. Which to me makes sense if these apps are such a dangerous place to play regarding collusion, but at the same time makes me very wary, especially during a downswing when I'm naturally just trying to explain why I'm losing.

edit* I guess I should add, I don't think the hand I posted is 100% an example of collusion. But because I have no clue what collusion looks like, or how to protect myself against it, every time I see something really weird in game, in the back of my mind I'm immediately thinking of collusion.

Yeah that's not really a sample. Even guys that crushed it for 10bb/100 over like 400k hands had be stretches for like 80k

Remember that GTO solutions are only a way of understanding the game better. The reasoning behind checking full range OOP is that you have no equity advantage and positional disadvantage over 3 streets, so if you start betting all your value you're gonna be vulnerable to multiple bets.

None of your opponents is gonna know that. Even if they do, they still have to adjust to actualy exploit you. If they don't do that you can get away with not protecting your checks

Appreciate it, I know the logical way to think about the volume is in this way. It is just harder when it's actually happening in real time

Agree with the OOP GTO thing. Although I believe polarity advantage is a significant reason to checking as well. Because on K42 for example, IP will just have more top sets, because less AA.

Played this hand today versus another stable member.



It's not flashy, but my understanding of the way the stable plays is that raising this flop with K blocker is going to print.

As far as exploits go in general, I'm studying some ways to donk in 3bet pots on non ace high boards - I suspect regs are significantly overfolding to donks in general, and in 3bet pots it would be extremely costly.

Your whole app situation sounds fishy bro. Have you considered other alternatives? I play PLO similar stakes too and apps would be my last choice.