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04-28-2023 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by EhBC
In, GL! I remember that awful site Playnow and their useless PXPs
Still awful! I will have 3 tables open, try to open a 4th, and it crashes everything and I have to miss hands and restart the program

PXPs are not that worst these days, there are good NL tournaments with overlay running, even for a PLO player.
04-28-2023 , 08:40 PM
Btw, here is the picture of jnandez in a 10x hat

04-28-2023 , 11:17 PM
And just backing up my claim about Dylan changing his pricing - here was the previous pricing.

04-28-2023 , 11:48 PM


Lost rakeback boost on Party - time to grind on Global! Also will cautiously add ignition tables again, as it seems that whatever sketchy that was going on has subsided.
04-29-2023 , 08:54 AM
Ignition 10/20 PLO reg here, likely collusion going on so mark suspicious hands and review them 24 hours after to see opponent’s hole cards. Like you, I started by playing PLO 100/200 on Playnow and gradually moved up to 2K. Ignition was a blessing in my rise up the stakes, so despite what’s going on, I’m sure you can still manage a high single digit WR. From experience, it was extremely difficult growing the BR when playing 200 w living expenses eating up such a large part of yearly income (especially for you living in Van in 2023). The time spent now playing 100/200 and studying is certainly not a waste, imho though, you should actively and aggressively look at shot-taking when there are great games running (granted that you can handle the losses and move down when a shot doesn’t work). I was too much of a nit to do this but likely could have saved a lot of time. Best of luck on your journey
04-29-2023 , 11:42 AM
Agree avoiding Dylan is a good idea, but
Nandez pretty easily has the best product on the market for PLO. Solves in a usable format that’s has decent analysis functions for multiple formats and stack sizes . Decent coaches making strat videos (even though learning is always going to be limited through videos) . Obviously if you look at videos from 2019 stuff is going to be outdated a bit but the fundamental concepts in most videos are still relevant.
04-29-2023 , 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EhBC
Ignition 10/20 PLO reg here, likely collusion going on so mark suspicious hands and review them 24 hours after to see opponent’s hole cards. Like you, I started by playing PLO 100/200 on Playnow and gradually moved up to 2K. Ignition was a blessing in my rise up the stakes, so despite what’s going on, I’m sure you can still manage a high single digit WR. From experience, it was extremely difficult growing the BR when playing 200 w living expenses eating up such a large part of yearly income (especially for you living in Van in 2023). The time spent now playing 100/200 and studying is certainly not a waste, imho though, you should actively and aggressively look at shot-taking when there are great games running (granted that you can handle the losses and move down when a shot doesn’t work). I was too much of a nit to do this but likely could have saved a lot of time. Best of luck on your journey
Thanks! Regarding ignition, I expect with all the attention it’s getting right now people will look for different sites to collude on. Honestly Parq is basically shot taking - when good games run it plays so deep… had some 7k pots last Thursday. It does seem difficult to build roll at 200 including living expenses, I’m trying to build ASAP before I move out in September.
04-29-2023 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh345
Agree avoiding Dylan is a good idea, but
Nandez pretty easily has the best product on the market for PLO. Solves in a usable format that’s has decent analysis functions for multiple formats and stack sizes . Decent coaches making strat videos (even though learning is always going to be limited through videos) . Obviously if you look at videos from 2019 stuff is going to be outdated a bit but the fundamental concepts in most videos are still relevant.
Fwiw, Vision outputs have been significantly different in my experience. Even preflop.
04-29-2023 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by KnoxKnoxJoke
Fwiw, Vision outputs have been significantly different in my experience. Even preflop.
bc vision and trainer are not solvers, it's a database holding outputs of pre ran sims. so outputs between the major 3 sim databases (Trainer, Vision, Matrix) will always have some differences. pretty sure preflop ranges would also be different if they used different bet sizings post flop in their sim. you do know this, right? the small difference in outputs shouldn't make a difference whatsoever in your overall strategy.
04-29-2023 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Regretzz
bc vision and trainer are not solvers, it's a database holding outputs of pre ran sims. so outputs between the major 3 sim databases (Trainer, Vision, Matrix) will always have some differences. pretty sure preflop ranges would also be different if they used different bet sizings post flop in their sim. you do know this, right? the small difference in outputs shouldn't make a difference whatsoever in your overall strategy.
Yes they are run with different outputs. Trainer is so bad btw, that some postflop hands in their trainer aren’t included in their preflop. Because they were run to different completion, or with different post flop.
04-29-2023 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by KnoxKnoxJoke
Yes they are run with different outputs. Trainer is so bad btw, that some postflop hands in their trainer aren’t included in their preflop. Because they were run to different completion, or with different post flop.
lmao, this is true. i remember checking a hand (dont remember if it was 3b or 4b pot) but my hand didn't show up in the post flop sim they had. i think they said they updated preflop ranges but need to update the post flop sims as well to match the new ranges so agreed, they def need to work on that asap.
05-01-2023 , 01:15 AM


Busted 1 before the money in one of the satellites I've been playing.... Insanely ****ing tilting....
05-02-2023 , 05:36 AM
Played for abt 8 hours today, up $1500.

Made a mistake vs a weak recreational, A972ds, bet called flop on 456 with nfd gutter, turned nut straight and didn’t donk jam with spr < 1. V checked back, i river nut flush and they fold 37 would have been an extra 1k if I jam turn . Too many hands they just aren’t going to fold / bluff off if I check.
05-02-2023 , 06:12 AM
April Recap

Overall a good month, made good progress on my goals. Relationships and health is good.

Playnow +6898

Ignition +730

Pokerstars -60

Global -1400

Partypoker +4500

Live +200

Total Profit 10959 / 100000

I may switch to live exclusively, if the game stays this good.
05-03-2023 , 04:31 AM
Lost a 5k pot to a garbage reg that decided the best course of action was to stack off KQ99ss by cold calling 3bet, then with 150 invested calling a 4bet to 1k had it check down to the river where he made trip kings. I honestly don’t care what I lose to recreational players, but vs some guy who is supposed to be winning, these ******ed plays that get lucky piss me off. Ofc it’s good to have them make mistakes, but live it will take ****ing 500 hours for me to get the ev back from this dumbass…..

Still playing, game is insanely good rn. Not tilted, just sucks to lose massive pots to **** play from regs
05-03-2023 , 05:36 AM
Ended up down 1500 - lots of 3 way all ins as the short stack where people just checked it down… obviously collusion going on but not really severe / no way to stop it. Don’t think a single bet went in on any of my all ins. Happy to battle again tomorrow.
05-03-2023 , 07:29 PM
Did some reflecting on last night - I made some very dumb plays after losing the 5k pot. Nothing horrible, just like squeezing KK83ss bad suit over 4 players 30bb eff… or RFI in the SB straddle with JT74ds good suits just trying to gamble

I originally thought the reason I was dwelling was because of the 5k pot, but it was actually because I was mad at myself for playing badly after.

Once I realized this, I could focus on getting in a proper mindset for todays session.

Downloaded some octopath traveller game on my iPad, so I have something to do if I start getting bored and wanting to vpip wider.
05-03-2023 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by KnoxKnoxJoke
Ended up down 1500 - lots of 3 way all ins as the short stack where people just checked it down… obviously collusion going on but not really severe / no way to stop it. Don’t think a single bet went in on any of my all ins. Happy to battle again tomorrow.
Like your PGC quite a bit and I hope live works out well for you. I´m sure it´ll be softer.

Just my 2c on the collusion thing. I have played 1000´s of hours live and from my experience a lot of the behavior that looks like collusion is often just passive rec stuff. Especially at live PLO. A lot of the 3b or fold spots online just become cold call or over cold call etc. spots live from people looking to see some flops. Again, you know best being the only one in the game, but unless it is totally nonstandard behavior for that particular player or you know that these two or three people have a relationship off the table I wouldn´t let it seep too far into your decision-making process. From my experience it's generally just a sign of a good game.

Anyway, GL and hope you crush it.
05-03-2023 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mantecaa
Like your PGC quite a bit and I hope live works out well for you. I´m sure it´ll be softer.

Just my 2c on the collusion thing. I have played 1000´s of hours live and from my experience a lot of the behavior that looks like collusion is often just passive rec stuff. Especially at live PLO. A lot of the 3b or fold spots online just become cold call or over cold call etc. spots live from people looking to see some flops. Again, you know best being the only one in the game, but unless it is totally nonstandard behavior for that particular player or you know that these two or three people have a relationship off the table I wouldn´t let it seep too far into your decision-making process. From my experience it's generally just a sign of a good game.

Anyway, GL and hope you crush it.
Thanks I’m not particularly connected in the Vancouver live scene, but my impression is that a decent amt of these guys know each other from slightly bigger private games. So it’s enough for me to keep my guard up.

Some of it is 100% just passivity, just makes it tough to tell apart.
05-04-2023 , 12:20 AM


+3700 from the same satellite I bubbled a couple days ago. Looks like I’m going to Vegas! Was just playing on iPad while playing live.
05-04-2023 , 05:41 AM
Don't want to dilute my blog with meaningless session updates too much, but had an interesting hand to share / insight. Ended up +800 on the day.

Basically I 3bet an asian reg that I think is perceived as pretty good with A653ds 200bb eff BTN vs CO iso. Flop AK6rr, he x I 33% he call. Turn J bringing irrel bdfd goes xx. River 3 he quickly x I x back he says 1 pair. I don't say anything and just motion for him to show, he shows a Jack. I still don't say anything and motion for him to show all 4, he acts annoyed and shows JT87ss. So basically excellent bluffing candidate on river, decides not to bluff. And he knew that it was a valuable data point for me to have, and that's why he didn't want to show. That's my interpretation at least.

I don't want to be a dik about it, but I really think seeing opponents hole cards on river in these type of spots helps develop player reads on ppl I'm gonna play with quite often. So I think it's prolly a good idea to just make them show if the game rules for it.
05-05-2023 , 04:11 AM
Finished the week down $500 live roughly.

Have lost a 6k and 5k pot, which is brutal for winrate. Hopefully things turn around!

The level of play is so horrible from “regs” it’s hilarious. Wish I could buy in for 2k and crush them harder. It’s hard for them to punt too hard when I’m only 300 deep. I feel like my hourly is significantly higher when I’m 1k+ deep. 300 deep bc of how the game plays is basically flop play only.

Looking forward to playing online this weekend, glad to be out of the casino.
05-07-2023 , 05:18 PM
Extremely brutal weekend online. Fired 7 bullets in various main event tournaments (SCOOP and a GGpoker thing), cashed 0. -886. Wanted to try out the GGpoker rush and cash because it's lower rake and I assumed I had decent PVI (this turned out to not be the case), lost 3bi there at 100PL. -1186, 1587 CAD. Went on a downswing on Playnow, -800, 2387. -1800 CAD on Global Poker as well this weekend, down 4187. Won 170cad on ignition, so down basically 4k.

Virtually all of this volume was at 200 PLO. Some 400 to start the weekend, some 100 to end it. 20BI downswing isn't particularly crazy, but feels pretty bad still . Need to be less attached to my results, and more attached to the amount of money I have right now.

As far as game quality, Ignition games seem to have been cleaned up, which is great. Global Poker feels like it should be great, I just can't win all ins. Main events are of course soft, just haven't been able to win all-ins there either.

Roll sitting at roughly 10k, going to head to the casino today in a couple hours to finish off the week. Going to focus on live for a bit, taking the extra variance of online while I am at low stakes isn't worth it. I enjoy playing online more, because it's a better environment, but the hourly is lower, winrate is lower, variance is higher. Will try to get playnow tables going while I grind, site is a blessing.

Watched a Finnish PLO documentary called "Sit Your Ass Down and Grind"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuXa4VsuzgM

I will head to the casino and do exactly this!
05-07-2023 , 10:45 PM
Sat down and lost another 2.5k in 2 hours. Just normal ******ed bullshit flop top set + fd vs 90vpip whale? Goodbye $300. Get in nfd gutter 3 ways? Goodbye $300. Online get in nut straight + flush draw vs naked two pair? Goodbye $200. So ****ing ******ed I’m down about 6.5k on the weekend. No longer rolled for 200s. No longer rolled to go to Vegas. No longer rolled to play the softest ****ing live game.

Wasn’t tilted, just losing every single ****ing all in. Plan for now is go back down to $100s on global I guess and keep playing 200s on playnow.

Best part is, my hourly is still $75 an hour live. Even after getting ****ed over and over and over.

I beat the games. I study. I put in the volume. And I’m still ****ing broke. And “pros” who made their money a decade ago that bumhunt to stay alive have more money than I do. It’s really frustrating.

In the past I’ve been able to say ok, I tilted here - played badly, I moved up stakes like a degen etc. not the case this time. I did everything right, and still have to move down. And will be making **** all compared to how much I was making live…
05-07-2023 , 10:52 PM
The plan for now is Global back up to 15k, then go back to live.

      
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