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Originally Posted by Aesah
Not sure how good you think villain is here, but this line is giving him way too much credit I think. If you do believe it's true however, then he should think his 87o hands are just as good as 76o on the turn when you bet. Again it's dependent on your read of villain but I think lots of players are calling on the turn here with something like 87o.
Villain was straightforward but decent. Off the felt, I am sure he is of higher than average intelligence, which leads me to think that logic overrules his gut instinct, evident by his play. Probably makes a small profit, nothing more. The fact that I hadn't seen him play a hand past the turn without huge equity/the nuts. On the flop, 87o might be in the lower half of his range. On the turn, 87 is out of his range, he has a player behind him to act. 76o is so much stronger there than 87. The only 8 i see him playing there is 88, which he had, or A8ss like you mentioned.
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Originally Posted by Aesah
Also there are some important details here. What position is villain in, and what do you think of his limp with 88?
Villain is in MP and the random was in LP. I really like his limp there. He raises, most people are going to just muck mediocre hands. He limps $2 and he can flop an 8, like he did, he can play for a much bigger pot without really exposing his hand as much as raising would. Personally, I would raise 88 there, but that is just my style. For him, limping pre is a good play.
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Originally Posted by Aesah
Lesser important, but specific suits of cards matter too. If he has top pair + flush draw with like A8ss he'll probably call much more often than bottom pair + flush draw with A4ss.
Board was 8x6s4s. So, yes, A8ss was in the range. For him, the most logical way I could see him playing A8ss is to check call the flop, check call the turn, and then most likely check behind on the river. Sure, it's super passive, but that's just the way he played a lot of the hands without the figurative/literal nuts.
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I think you played it fine overall. Regarding the river, you said you've been playing LAG, if villain realizes this he might put you on a missed flush draw and call with 8x on the river. This is more likely than villain having the flush draw himself IMO due to the paired board + size of your turn bet.
I doubt he bets or calls any 8 non boated 8 on the river. Theres no point in betting there, as if he thinks I missed my draw, he can't get me to stack off. I am only going to call with a weaker 8 about 5% of the time, a naked 6 a lot of the time, and maybe an overpair very rarely, though I would have raised 99+ preflop. So, him betting an 8 there is a really bad bet, since he is closing action with a mediocre hand and only getting called by a better hand 90%+ of the time. With an 8 there, it would be a terrible bet, and I think that he knows it. As for calling, he is flushing money away with an 8 there. I don't follow through there with an 8, I have lots of showdown value there. If he is calling it is with 6x+, maybe A8ss. Also, I think that he is smart enough to shove on a scary card there with a flush draw, especially with A8ss. It would eliminate a lot worse 8s and straight draws at the very least.