Hey all, been put at notice of redundancy for my job and thought whilst looking for something else I will give poker another crack. Note I have never tried to take poker more seriously than I am now

As can be seen I have been here years and never really made it. I think mainly as I have mostly been a recreational player who had mtts as his best format but never the time to commit to them. I have binked more than 1 3,000 player field and will still dabble in them on Stars recreationally but now my serious focus is on Spin and Gos

Yes I get variance will be through the roof, and you almost need to beat the games for at least 2% just to account for the top 3 you will probably never hit but from my experience I do believe I can achieve these ROIs

$1 - 5%
$3 - 4%
$7 - 3%
$15 - 2%

I am going with a modest BRM of 50 bis and move down if drop below 35 bis. I have the ability to reload at the beginning if needs be.

These games are beatable as has been proven and whilst extremely unlikely I will run exactly to the ROIs I want, if I did I would be at the 30's by the end of the year based on my volume...

I plan to play a modest 1,000 a month. Averaging 30 a day, 3 tabling. I found 4 tabling was one too much for me with these games but 3 I was comfortable. I can only really commit 1-2 hours a day tops hence the low volume.

By the end of the year though 10,000 tournaments if I have run to my abilities should see me around where I want to be however I am not so niave to not realise that if I run below I could easily still be at the $3's as 10,000 is not a massive sample for across 4 Stakes. I hope to be able to be comfortable with at least the $1s as they seem simple. Que the touch of death

Here. We. Go.

I would re-think your plan.

10k games is absolutely nothing in spins and you could very easily breakeven even tho youre a winning player. Also the games arent really worth it with an roi of <3/4%. Aiming to get 2% at 15s is simply suicidal and will be a massive pain in the ass. if you only play 3 tables tops 5%+ should be your aim for sure.

This coming from someone who played almost 10k games with a 3% evroi, was at breakeven when I quit. Realise that 10k games at 15s with 2% roi is only 3000$, and you can easily run up to 5k under ev.

Would play 2 tables and try to get 5%+ or put in wayy more volume if I were you.

Gl wish you all the best!

+1 to this m8 i really think you need to look into spins a lot more i currently play them and there no for faint hearted so to speak

Yeah I'm going to jump in with the same sentiment. 2% EVROI for a relatively new player at HU Hypers would be horrible. At Spin n Go's it's insanity. You will hate life, I assure you of that.

Play spins if you like (although I'm really not sure why if you have played mostly MTT's and could possibly have increased time on your hands in the not too distant future you wouldn't look to play more of those) but you should certainly aim for more than a 5% EVROI at the 1s, and be looking to comfortably beat each stake before you move up.

Good luck regardless.

Thanks for the comments. To be fair I did state that I could still be at the 3s in 12,000 games time

I get where you are both coming from, I'm gonna give it a go and if it fails like 99.99999% of the attempts on here then so be it and il look at adapting it.

I feel my hourly rate will be higher playing the 3 tables as opposed to 2, and I am by no means a novice at them. I have over 5 million hands logged over different formats at low Stakes when playing recreationally. I fully acknowledge I could go through a massive downswing and even a 4% ROI could break even over 12,000 games over a year. That's a chance I'm willing to take. Like I said before I need to run average at least for this to be a success

But I really do appreciate all comments!

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2% at any stake is going to be hell

Thank you, unfortuantly we don't have any money really behind us and if I did lose job would need another one quickly as there Is no way I could play mtts on my br to sustain us, hence the reason I can't consider that too much. If I was made redundant then past the job hunting I would commit to mtts to see how it goes but in the short term I have to look at a quick paced format to get the volume in. Unfortuantly that of course comes with high variance

With regards to.my %s, all of what you say is encouraging. I did plenty of googling and filtering out the crap and thought those ROIs I have put down are towards the top of what is sustainable. Hence the reason I set them as my targets, but if you guys think much higher is achievable then I'm certainly not saying I can't achieve higher.

Hope that above makes sense?

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I know players who have achieved over 5% at 60s without a hud, so no idea where the 2% at 15s comes from. I'd guess the top at those would be 7-9%.

I know where I'm getting confused with my figures. I got told to not consider the big 3 when calculating as likelyhood of hitting them with my volume is very slim with my volume. 10,000 games in a year gives me around a 30/1 chance of hitting the biggest one in the year.

Started yesterday with 50, more than 75% of them were 2x so been a tough start and I'm just under break even. The rest were 4x and 6x

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First Update

Current Stake - $1
Tourneys Played - 100
ROI - -12%
Profit/Loss - -$12
ITM - 35%
1st/2nd/3rd - 35/41/24

Distribution
2x - 72%
4x - 18%
6x - 10%

Not been the best start, the distribution has been fairly fair. Not seen a 10x yet although only supposed to get 1 every 200 tournies.

The problem has been that of the 28 4x or 6x's I have only cashed in 6 which is less than 25%. Thats just not good enough. Cashed in 29 of the 72 2x which is over 40%

So thats probably a bad piece of luck to kick off on. If I had cashed in just 2 more 4 and 6x's would be an extra $20 in the bank and would be about right.

Going to update every 100 tournies approx

take you gave up on this ?

Interesting to see this challenge. I'm also playing spins and see how it goes.

Just to let you know he quit lol

That was fast.

Haha I didn't quit just had to take it private!

how come?

Hey NCFC, do you live in Norwich at all or just support them?

Beccles so 20 minutes down the road you?

Took it private in a staking deal to the other poster