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04-11-2024 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by blazar
Imported NL25 hands also, not the best run but clearly gives me a clue about the rake, hands played 16,749 rake 693,20$ this means rake was
16.55bb per 100 hands, lower than 10NL


Overall NL25 run wasn't that bad, just in last session i had really bad luck and tilted a bit too



Hi and thanks for the good post. I read your whole story so far and it's been a fun sounding journey. you got a new follower! Your game seems to be going well, but I'll throw in one piece of advice on how to improve your game. I noticed that your red line is badly in the red. Try to improve the red line.
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04-11-2024 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BiLLAllas
Hi and thanks for the good post. I read your whole story so far and it's been a fun sounding journey. you got a new follower! Your game seems to be going well, but I'll throw in one piece of advice on how to improve your game. I noticed that your red line is badly in the red. Try to improve the red line.
Hello, even tho right now I'm grinding NL5 NL10 i can say that im most confident with my game, it's a lot more consistent and stable, my game is at it's peak, only thing that holds me back is my poker demons but i found my way of fighting them i think soon ill move up with lightening speed
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04-11-2024 , 11:09 PM
This ring is made from French coin (pure silver) i paid master to do it, i was watching myself how it was made from the start to the end it took like 5 hours of work but ring of Mordor was made I'm not a fan of accessories usually i don't wear any but this one is so special, it will have it's purpose, every time my poker demon appears this ring will remind me, i will wear it every time i play poker, i can't defeat poker demons forever but i will control them every time they appear, they're my enemy and they will be close

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04-12-2024 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by blazar
Hello, even tho right now I'm grinding NL5 NL10 i can say that im most confident with my game, it's a lot more consistent and stable, my game is at it's peak, only thing that holds me back is my poker demons but i found my way of fighting them i think soon ill move up with lightening speed

What you think about your red line in the graph ? (Non showdown winnings)
What it tells your game ?
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04-12-2024 , 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BiLLAllas
What you think about your red line in the graph ? (Non showdown winnings)
What it tells your game ?
Even tho my red line is bad atm im happy with my game as it became more stable and consistent, the main core build is done now i can work on red line slowly

I know 2 regs they crush NL25, one has skyrocketing red line and second has the opposite but they both still crush the game, imo balanced redline is best close to breakeven but it's highly dependent on games we're playing

Imagine two scenarios: in one table is too lose, they call down every street with trash hands here most profitable will be to not go for redline and go to more showdowns with value hands, if table is full of nitty regs and they never call, you never get value and when they call they always have the goods than here to not go for redline would be criminal activity, here we can totally up the aggression

So, table dynamic is most important but since now im playing 9 tables of micro stakes it's very hard to adjust to each table here general strategy is applied to every table so i go for option 1
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04-12-2024 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by blazar
Even tho my red line is bad atm im happy with my game as it became more stable and consistent, the main core build is done now i can work on red line slowly

I know 2 regs they crush NL25, one has skyrocketing red line and second has the opposite but they both still crush the game, imo balanced redline is best close to breakeven but it's highly dependent on games we're playing

Imagine two scenarios: in one table is too lose, they call down every street with trash hands here most profitable will be to not go for redline and go to more showdowns with value hands, if table is full of nitty regs and they never call, you never get value and when they call they always have the goods than here to not go for redline would be criminal activity, here we can totally up the aggression

So, table dynamic is most important but since now im playing 9 tables of micro stakes it's very hard to adjust to each table here general strategy is applied to every table so i go for option 1
I accept the answer and I have also noticed that some people manage to make a little profit at nl25 levels even though the red line goes into a bad loss. I wanted to give a little tip so you can destroy your opponents even better. gl hf !
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04-12-2024 , 01:54 PM
This is NL5, i know i can't keep this high winrate, eventually it will go down but i must be doing something right

My 3bet% is 4.8, too low but works well for rake, i want to increase it to 6-7% tho, anyway this is the lowest rake i had so far 13.63BB per 100 hand



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04-23-2024 , 03:33 AM
Here is an example when i tried to fix my mental game how drastically outcome changes

50k hands of NL5, first half: poker demons were untouchable second half: i was fighting them, look how WR changes



Anyway even in the second half of graph i was still tilting in some hands, gifting stacks for no reason:

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GG Poker - $0.05 Ante $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 168.4 BB
MP: 132.8 BB
MP+1: 196.6 BB
MP+2: 39.8 BB
CO: 206 BB
Hero (BTN): 260 BB
SB: 131.4 BB
BB: 198.6 BB
UTG: 345.4 BB

9 players post ante of 0.4 BB, SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, UTG+1 straddles 2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 7 BB) Hero has J K

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, SB calls 3.6 BB, fold, UTG calls 4 BB, fold

Flop: (18.6 BB, 3 players) 9 5 T
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (18.6 BB, 3 players) Q
SB bets 9.4 BB, UTG calls 9.4 BB, Hero raises to 25.8 BB, SB calls 16.4 BB, UTG calls 16.4 BB

River: (96 BB, 3 players) K
SB checks, UTG bets 48 BB, Hero raises to 229.8 BB and is all-in, fold, UTG calls 181.8 BB

Hero shows J K (Straight, King High)
(Pre 25%, Flop 28%, Turn 93%)
UTG shows J A (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 75%, Flop 72%, Turn 7%)
UTG wins 539.8 BB


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GG Poker - $0.05 Ante $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 221.8 BB
BTN: 267.8 BB
SB: 205.6 BB
BB: 365.2 BB
Hero (UTG): 202.8 BB
UTG+1: 200 BB
MP: 371.4 BB
MP+1: 418.8 BB
MP+2: 309.6 BB

9 players post ante of 0.4 BB, SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 5 BB) Hero has T T

Hero raises to 3.6 BB, UTG+1 calls 3.6 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 3.6 BB, fold, BB calls 2.6 BB

Flop: (18.4 BB, 4 players) 7 3 2
BB checks, Hero bets 12 BB, UTG+1 raises to 35.4 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 198.8 BB and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 160.6 BB and is all-in

Turn: (410.4 BB, 2 players) Q

River: (410.4 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero shows T T (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 81%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%)
UTG+1 shows 7 7 (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 19%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%)
UTG+1 wins 394.6 BB


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GG Poker - $0.05 Ante $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 124 BB
Hero (BB): 404.4 BB
UTG: 171.8 BB
UTG+1: 115.2 BB
MP: 216 BB
MP+1: 205.2 BB
MP+2: 203 BB
CO: 201.6 BB
BTN: 200 BB

9 players post ante of 0.4 BB, SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 5 BB) Hero has T T

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 7 BB, fold, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) K 3 T
Hero checks, BTN bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Turn: (44 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BTN bets 179.6 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 179.6 BB

River: (403.2 BB, 2 players) 8

BTN shows Q A (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 43%, Flop 17%, Turn 77%)
Hero shows T T (Three of a Kind, Tens)
(Pre 57%, Flop 83%, Turn 23%)
BTN wins 387.4 BB
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04-23-2024 , 04:06 AM
Those are nice results. The hands you posted where you "gifted a stack" don't you sometimes click too fast? When I was starting out a couple of years ago I would sometimes spazzcall or jam without really thinking about it twice and this really adds up especially if you are deep. I recommend taking a few seconds to make sure your decision is correct, think it through from different POVs before you make that big call or shove on the River. Mistakes there are really costly.
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04-23-2024 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by MDAcoaching
Those are nice results. The hands you posted where you "gifted a stack" don't you sometimes click too fast? When I was starting out a couple of years ago I would sometimes spazzcall or jam without really thinking about it twice and this really adds up especially if you are deep. I recommend taking a few seconds to make sure your decision is correct, think it through from different POVs before you make that big call or shove on the River. Mistakes there are really costly.
This is very accurate, i tend to make fast decisions especially when im tilting but in general my playing skill improved a lot while reducing tilt factors.

I'm pretty confident with my game now, only thing that left is to fight tilt demons and also implement some exploitative lines in my game which will target specific bad regs by looking at their stats, i believe reading stats correctly and deciding what is the best way to exploit specific type of player is another skill which needs to be mastered and in this i may need a coach to help me in the future, when i will be close to NL100 probably than.

For now I'm starting new journey, what was in the past matters less, NL5 was successful now NL10 than NL25 etc

Aim: to reach 3k-4,5k hands volume per day

Will be playing like this: 500 hand than rest 15-30min again 500 hand than rest, through the day, maybe taking 1-2h break once to do other things outside of poker.
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04-24-2024 , 04:11 AM
Tried to increase table count from 9 to 12, felt no pressure, than tested adding another +2 table, 14 tabling was easy too but had to make fast decisions in the end i had losing session, i didnt even lose big pot but in the end had 3BI downswing, so i guess 12 table is the sweet spot
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04-27-2024 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by blazar
I'm pretty confident with my game now, only thing that left is to fight tilt demons and also implement some exploitative lines in my game which will target specific bad regs by looking at their stats, i believe reading stats correctly and deciding what is the best way to exploit specific type of player is another skill which needs to be mastered and in this i may need a coach to help me in the future, when i will be close to NL100 probably than.
Just be careful. Most people overvalue stats massively with small samples. You need REALLY REALLY large samples (tens of thousands of hands) on a player before you can judge some of their postflop stats (especially those that relate to a specific action which only happens every few orbits). Even then, with massive samples you can still have a minimal sample on a specific postflop stat. Even with hundreds of occurrences of said stat, there is absolutely massive standard deviation in the value of the stat.

Most people I talked to massively overvalue stats of specific players. I am very careful with this. If I am looking at stats, I try to look at the stats that are more general and gain sample quickly (VPIP/PFR/bet and then WWSF, Bet river and Fold to R bet etc.) instead of postflop stats (for example flop cbet stats etc.)

Another problem is that a lot of the stats (like the aforementioned flop cbet) are not really telling you much. There are tons of ways you can play your postflop strategy correctly, and these stats can have very different values from reg to reg, and both those regs can be winning using such strategy.
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04-27-2024 , 02:47 AM
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Tried to increase table count from 9 to 12, felt no pressure, than tested adding another +2 table, 14 tabling was easy too but had to make fast decisions in the end i had losing session, i didnt even lose big pot but in the end had 3BI downswing, so i guess 12 table is the sweet spot
If you are playing anything below 200NL I would highly recommend to focus on playing WELL before playing a lot.

I know this from my own experience because I fell for the same trap. I tried multitabling a ton of tables on micros just to play like **** and not really think deeply about hands. Your goal should pretty much always be to increase the stakes as quickly as possible, then increase your winrate and only THEN increase the volume you play. At least this seems to be the GTO approach if you are trying to be a online pro. I could go in depth on why this is the case, but all in all, be careful and focus more on your decisions than on masstabling. You won't get rich by pumping volume on micros, so might as well just improve, play less tables, think about spots more and eventually move up quicker.

I think 5-6 tables is more than enough for those rake trap micro stakes games.
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04-27-2024 , 09:34 AM
you could say it's the difference between trying to become a pro and trying to be a pro, as in trying to win as much as possible per day right now...
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04-27-2024 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MDAcoaching
Just be careful. Most people overvalue stats massively with small samples. You need REALLY REALLY large samples (tens of thousands of hands) on a player before you can judge some of their postflop stats (especially those that relate to a specific action which only happens every few orbits). Even then, with massive samples you can still have a minimal sample on a specific postflop stat. Even with hundreds of occurrences of said stat, there is absolutely massive standard deviation in the value of the stat.

Most people I talked to massively overvalue stats of specific players. I am very careful with this. If I am looking at stats, I try to look at the stats that are more general and gain sample quickly (VPIP/PFR/bet and then WWSF, Bet river and Fold to R bet etc.) instead of postflop stats (for example flop cbet stats etc.)

Another problem is that a lot of the stats (like the aforementioned flop cbet) are not really telling you much. There are tons of ways you can play your postflop strategy correctly, and these stats can have very different values from reg to reg, and both those regs can be winning using such strategy.
Yeah all of these are very complicated, thinking about this makes my head to explode, if i was playing in higher stakes i would probably hire a coach and ask him to simplify all of these to breakdown to lines that work very well against some specific opponents

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Originally Posted by MDAcoaching
If you are playing anything below 200NL I would highly recommend to focus on playing WELL before playing a lot.

I know this from my own experience because I fell for the same trap. I tried multitabling a ton of tables on micros just to play like **** and not really think deeply about hands. Your goal should pretty much always be to increase the stakes as quickly as possible, then increase your winrate and only THEN increase the volume you play. At least this seems to be the GTO approach if you are trying to be a online pro. I could go in depth on why this is the case, but all in all, be careful and focus more on your decisions than on masstabling. You won't get rich by pumping volume on micros, so might as well just improve, play less tables, think about spots more and eventually move up quicker.

I think 5-6 tables is more than enough for those rake trap micro stakes games.
yeah true true but big volume is really fascinating, reduced tables from 12 to 9 again, atm what holds me back is that im too resistant vs big bets and shoves, lets say i hold AK and flopped top pair in 3bet pot, if villain starts betting big or raising and than shoves river i may fold i may not but every time i do call they show sets like almost always and im playing always 200BB deep, so this is the biggest leak i need to fix first because at micros they rarely bluff when they bet big
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