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11-09-2024 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BiLLAllas
i I have done it and achieved it. I don't really care about the level and I understand if someone can't play at low levels. I started playing at NL2 and played at least 500,000 hands at that level. I could have moved to bigger levels even after the first month, but I felt that my game has a lot of problems and fixing those problems is much cheaper at a small level. Sometimes, for example, if I want to practice bluff spots, I might overbluff the next 20k hands and see how it works.


-there are probably better ways to train, but I personally like to see how things happen with real people



ps. Russian regs call me "aggro Fish Raiser" i just fokin love it
OK, that's a great approach imo. And you had a 1k month at nl2? If so, that's just epic.
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11-10-2024 , 04:50 AM
gl bud! do you think the ante games are softer than 6max reg tables?
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11-10-2024 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Parallell
gl bud! do you think the ante games are softer than 6max reg tables?
Thanks mate, gl you too as you play much higher stakes you’ll need it more.

The ante games are soften imo and they’re played deep-stacked but rake is very high too, if you master it as i see top regs have 10-15BB winrates

Lately i look things a bit more differently than before, my thinking process is changing, what is large part of our winrate? It’s AA-KK right?

So environment where our top value hands get action is the best environment, AA-KK will get more action in 9max games more than in 6max, more deep-stacked games are more we get paid with our AA-KK, when i play zoom there is less action postflop, large portion of hands are folded pre, very often AA-KK gets no action at all

Sometimes i wonder why i still play zoom, i think 9max ante games is the way to go but my ego doesn’t let me but i get a lot of experience and sharpen my strategy, i believe its very valuable to play at least 1M hands of zoom after i can crush softer games a lot more easier, zoom is the format where many of legendary players were born like redbaron linus etc
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11-10-2024 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by blazar
Thanks mate, gl you too as you play much higher stakes you’ll need it more.

The ante games are soften imo and they’re played deep-stacked but rake is very high too, if you master it as i see top regs have 10-15BB winrates

Lately i look things a bit more differently than before, my thinking process is changing, what is large part of our winrate? It’s AA-KK right?

So environment where our top value hands get action is the best environment, AA-KK will get more action in 9max games more than in 6max, more deep-stacked games are more we get paid with our AA-KK, when i play zoom there is less action postflop, large portion of hands are folded pre, very often AA-KK gets no action at all

Sometimes i wonder why i still play zoom, i think 9max ante games is the way to go but my ego doesn’t let me but i get a lot of experience and sharpen my strategy, i believe its very valuable to play at least 1M hands of zoom after i can crush softer games a lot more easier, zoom is the format where many of legendary players were born like redbaron linus etc

I notice the same problem with many players who play too little/nitt. That's why I prefer to play with LAG/maniac strategy, which gives me significantly better action. I lose some ev on some boards, but with my best hands I often get maxes.
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11-10-2024 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by BiLLAllas
I notice the same problem with many players who play too little/nitt. That's why I prefer to play with LAG/maniac strategy, which gives me significantly better action. I lose some ev on some boards, but with my best hands I often get maxes.
Table image helps ofc but when you open raise and everyone folds that happens too often in zoom games, proportionally there are more preflop folds compared to postflop action and by default you get less opportunities
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11-10-2024 , 10:25 AM
Also i want to add: LAG/Maniac style not actual anymore because GTO is so powerful its basically a maniac with balanced ranges which you can’t exploit
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Yesterday , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by blazar
Also i want to add: LAG/Maniac style not actual anymore because GTO is so powerful its basically a maniac with balanced ranges which you can’t exploit
i always thought gto was very balanced in everything. but pretty tight overall. If i Look GTO ranges they are very basic. Iplay alot More And 3bet more
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Yesterday , 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BiLLAllas
i always thought gto was very balanced in everything. but pretty tight overall. If i Look GTO ranges they are very basic. Iplay alot More And 3bet more
Lately i played HU vs GTO bot and actually its more gangsta than people may think, ranges in 6max is much tighter compared to typical maniac but that doesn’t necessary mean its bad, just the way it plays ranges puts you in tough spots, as soon as you stop giving action it will run you over and your redline will be miserable
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Yesterday , 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by blazar
Lately i played HU vs GTO bot and actually its more gangsta than people may think, ranges in 6max is much tighter compared to typical maniac but that doesn’t necessary mean its bad, just the way it plays ranges puts you in tough spots, as soon as you stop giving action it will run you over and your redline will be miserable
One might even say that GTO bots have killer instincts
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Yesterday , 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by blazar
Lately i played HU vs GTO bot and actually its more gangsta than people may think, ranges in 6max is much tighter compared to typical maniac but that doesn’t necessary mean its bad, just the way it plays ranges puts you in tough spots, as soon as you stop giving action it will run you over and your redline will be miserable


not bad by any means. After looking into it a bit, Gto understanding is the most important skill to exploit good players.
even though I play looser than gto recommends, that's also because the pool where I play is full of nits who fold too often pre-flop. they also fold too often on post flop. Same Logic i 3bet more coz they just fold too often every street. After that they might think iam a fish coz playin loose agro stats and i will benefit for that
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Yesterday , 06:49 AM
The reason why a GTO bot puts you in tough spots constantly is that (one of) it's aim is to make most of your good continuing range indifferent to continuing, i.e. that you won't have easy > 0EV decisions with most of what you want to continue with. This is also what you will experience when someone exploits your weaknesses. If you never bluffcatch close to optimal, people will bluff more often and potentially size down to give themselves the best price and you will have a tough time more often. If you have checking ranges that are too weak, you will face larger bets for thin value and bluffs, and most of your range will be indifferent and there is 0 combos in your range that can gain from the large bets.
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Yesterday , 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by BiLLAllas
not bad by any means. After looking into it a bit, Gto understanding is the most important skill to exploit good players.
even though I play looser than gto recommends, that's also because the pool where I play is full of nits who fold too often pre-flop. they also fold too often on post flop. Same Logic i 3bet more coz they just fold too often every street. After that they might think iam a fish coz playin loose agro stats and i will benefit for that
Things not always go according to the plan, online poker is dark and dangerous place, we never know how often we play vs human players and how often vs bots

From my experience as soon as i start to apply unbalanced lines at some point it works great but sometimes suddenly my 2 barrels getting called 70%+ of times in a long session and i either have to bluff rivers more often or just give up pots after pots (disaster)

So as they say all ways go to Rome, i don't study GTO right now but i think i want it or not all ways go to GTO in the end, i don't really want to be like everyone and study like same thing like everyone does, i have little ego that i want to be different so im trying come up with my own strategy but i understand it has to be balanced
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Yesterday , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by blazar
Thanks mate, gl you too as you play much higher stakes you’ll need it more.

The ante games are soften imo and they’re played deep-stacked but rake is very high too, if you master it as i see top regs have 10-15BB winrates

Lately i look things a bit more differently than before, my thinking process is changing, what is large part of our winrate? It’s AA-KK right?

So environment where our top value hands get action is the best environment, AA-KK will get more action in 9max games more than in 6max, more deep-stacked games are more we get paid with our AA-KK, when i play zoom there is less action postflop, large portion of hands are folded pre, very often AA-KK gets no action at all

Sometimes i wonder why i still play zoom, i think 9max ante games is the way to go but my ego doesn’t let me but i get a lot of experience and sharpen my strategy, i believe its very valuable to play at least 1M hands of zoom after i can crush softer games a lot more easier, zoom is the format where many of legendary players were born like redbaron linus etc
I think redbaron was one of the first guys who started using solvers to his advantage (not only trying to play the equilibrium strategy). Was probably very good in OG CREV at the time, inputing more sizings than max pot size and created trees that wasn't mainstream at the time. As you know his strategy has always been unique to what everyone else was/is doing. From my understanding he has always been looking at exploits and gametrees people don't explore, and taking players there (probably most of the HS crushers do this more or less, stefan is an extreme case). I think the takeaway is that you need tools (nowadays a solver or more advanced range tools) to actually know that your own strategy works. You might have good intuition, but even then you will miss a bunch stuff in such a complex game and might just be punting EV by doing something that seems like a good exploit. Most crushers use solvers and are more or less "GTO experts", but more importantly they use it in their unique way to create their own strategies and exploits. Not using a solver to improve your game is like wanting to be competitive in CS:GO by not upgrading your 2005 PC and settling with 50fps. You have guys like Charlie Carrel not using a solver, but he is still crushing up to mid stakes online (don't hate me for assuming that, I actually think he can). But he has played millions of hands and probably done a ton of work on combinatorics and analyzing his database with millions of hands. Intuition can be great in itself but it usually builds over millions and millions of hands, which most don't have time for.

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Yesterday , 11:26 AM
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I think redbaron was one of the first guys who started using solvers to his advantage (not only trying to play the equilibrium strategy). Was probably very good in OG CREV at the time, inputing more sizings than max pot size and created trees that wasn't mainstream at the time. As you know his strategy has always been unique to what everyone else was/is doing. From my understanding he has always been looking at exploits and gametrees people don't explore, and taking players there (probably most of the HS crushers do this more or less, stefan is an extreme case). I think the takeaway is that you need tools (nowadays a solver or more advanced range tools) to actually know that your own strategy works. You might have good intuition, but even then you will miss a bunch stuff in such a complex game and might just be punting EV by doing something that seems like a good exploit. Most crushers use solvers and are more or less "GTO experts", but more importantly they use it in their unique way to create their own strategies and exploits. Not using a solver to improve your game is like wanting to be competitive in CS:GO by not upgrading your 2005 PC and settling with 50fps. You have guys like Charlie Carrel not using a solver, but he is still crushing up to mid stakes online (don't hate me for assuming that, I actually think he can). But he has played millions of hands and probably done a ton of work on combinatorics and analyzing his database with millions of hands. Intuition can be great in itself but it usually builds over millions and millions of hands, which most don't have time for.
I agree, this a good point.

I think Stefan was successful because he found a way to have positive redline in a way that it outweights blueline, i was reading his latest posts in his blog where he says he never experienced big downswings or variance before

Only lately when he started playing 1K NL on GG he experienced such downswings, tbh i dont think he changed much in his strategy just GG is strange platform, lately everyone sees GG wants to make high stake games casino like right?

Also i read some posts some regs complain that playing on GG something "magic hand" pulls them back to be successful, also Stefan's latest results is sus too

So when i said GG app may have AI thing coded in it's algorithm to make you win less but when you lose lets you win more, this may be true, i know this is conspiracy theory but why its impossible when we see that GG tries to make poker casino like? when we see Stefan fails to beat NL1K etc
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Yesterday , 11:38 AM
Bitcoin just reached all time high point omg hope my altcoins follow up soon

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Yesterday , 02:24 PM
Which altcoins do you have?
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Yesterday , 02:37 PM
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Which altcoins do you have?
FET STX 70% of money invested and the rest 30% COTI VIC DOT HBAR XTZ KAVA ENJ
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Yesterday , 05:43 PM
I have KAVA and DOT from that list. Haven't heard about any of the others!
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Yesterday , 08:03 PM
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I have KAVA and DOT from that list. Haven't heard about any of the others!
lol bitcoin surpassed 88,5k now wow and STX started moving up as well, there is a hope

My total money on altcoins atm is 4,5k$ and to reach 6k seems realistic but if i get little greedy i can wait until 8-9k yeah 8-9k$ roll would be perfect for live 1/3 games and i can grind for 5/5, nice plans but hopefully altcoins dont fail me lol


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Yesterday , 09:10 PM
Literally can’t go tits up
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