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10-27-2024 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Masq
You must see some regs though and get an idea whether they're 3 betting light or have had some encounters with them. Spots are never going to be identical, even against the same player. All you can do is build a profile on how you view your opponent and make a decision based on that.

It's hard to get people to commit 100bb in preflop. What hands are going to do that? AA / KK and then maybe you'll get some to commit with QQ / JJ and AK - other players may not 4bet jam these hands and want to see a flop.

As with most zoom / fast fold pools, I imagine there are a number of bots playing. It doesn't necessarily mean they are good and unbeatable though.
nah actually its so easy, my stack grows itself just taking all the dead money they give me, its unbelievable but you know what main problem is to avoid stack offs, its not easy part because zoom plays huge volumes and when we think we have good enough hand to play for our stacks actually its not and thats what hurts the most

Common spots: Preflop holding AK-QQ and someone 5bet shoves, they have us beat most of the time, postflop raises are so strong even two pairs can be folded profitably most cases, their big river bets hold strong value even our top pairs not enough to call with etc etc mainly if i manage to make good exploitative folds its super easy to beat this pool but i need to be very consistent with it

And some of the advices i get here may worked well 10 years ago but now for me its recipe for disaster

Last edited by blazar; 10-27-2024 at 11:07 AM.
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10-27-2024 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by blazar
nah actually its so easy, my stack grows itself just taking all the dead money they give me, its unbelievable but you know what main problem is to avoid stack offs, its not easy part because zoom plays huge volumes and when we think we have good enough hand to play for our stacks actually its not and thats what hurts the most

Common spots: Preflop holding AK-QQ and someone 5bet shoves, they have us beat most of the time, postflop raises are so strong even two pairs can be folded profitably most cases, their big river bets hold strong value even our top pairs not enough to call with etc etc mainly if i manage to make good exploitative folds its super easy to beat this pool but i need to be very consistent with it

And some of the advices i get here may worked well 10 years ago but now for me its recipe for disaster
So keep growing your stack with the dead money and avoid playing deep?

Or maybe have a look at why you're stacking off and if there were reasons to avoid it, or if they were just coolers / beats?

I do think some people on the forum (generally) have this idea that NL10 / micros are super easy because they played the games 10 years ago where people played like morons and were able to move up through the stakes easily.

The general level of poker knowledge has vastly improved over time which has trickled down to the lower stakes. There are also competent players living in poor countries making a good living playing micros with no ambitions to grind up the stakes. Of course, you get the spewy moronic fish playing in the games - as you do at higher stakes too.
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10-27-2024 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Masq
So keep growing your stack with the dead money and avoid playing deep?

Or maybe have a look at why you're stacking off and if there were reasons to avoid it, or if they were just coolers / beats?

I do think some people on the forum (generally) have this idea that NL10 / micros are super easy because they played the games 10 years ago where people played like morons and were able to move up through the stakes easily.

The general level of poker knowledge has vastly improved over time which has trickled down to the lower stakes. There are also competent players living in poor countries making a good living playing micros with no ambitions to grind up the stakes. Of course, you get the spewy moronic fish playing in the games - as you do at higher stakes too.
i knew every time i called preflop shove with AK/QQ i was doing wrong but i did it anyway and lost many many times, also same goes to postflop, it's not easy to be a robot when you play huge volumes of zoom, i may fold 7 times in a row but then i lose focus etc

yes majority of micro pools consists of players who actually follow fundamentals, they study etc they're making living of it too

some part of pool can be bots also and some part spewy morons but minority, this type of mix creates very harsh environment

like vs 80% i have to make super tight folds but other 20% they trying some tricks on you and pool is so large i have to meet new player every time which makes harder to exploit specific players

Last edited by blazar; 10-27-2024 at 11:26 AM.
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10-27-2024 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Masq
So keep growing your stack with the dead money and avoid playing deep?

Or maybe have a look at why you're stacking off and if there were reasons to avoid it, or if they were just coolers / beats?

I do think some people on the forum (generally) have this idea that NL10 / micros are super easy because they played the games 10 years ago where people played like morons and were able to move up through the stakes easily.

The general level of poker knowledge has vastly improved over time which has trickled down to the lower stakes. There are also competent players living in poor countries making a good living playing micros with no ambitions to grind up the stakes. Of course, you get the spewy moronic fish playing in the games - as you do at higher stakes too.
All of this is true.

And...bots/RTA.

The trickiest thing I find playing micros is patience/mental game in stakes where losing 100+BI means absolutely nothing to my net worth.
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10-27-2024 , 11:27 AM
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10-27-2024 , 11:38 AM
It's probably not easy to "crush" pre-rakeback on GG in micros & lowstakes, but it's definitely soft enough to move up stakes and have a decent winrate post-rakeback playing reasonably well. Not saying you personally can't beat it, you probably don't have a big sample yet either to say for sure. But what you will have to do is change your mindset to really capitalize on your determination. I wish I had that kind of drive to eventually make it, but I probably just don't have it. I'm just a small winner on 10-50z on pokerstars on a ~350k hand sample, and I'm very well aware that I could do better only if I'd know how to play better versus fish and nits and other profiles where a GTO strategy just doesn't apply. It's harder than one might think, and it's not the easiest to just figure out on your own without studying correctly. If you think the pool or the site is the problem, switch to something that you feel you're good enough to beat. No point in playing somewhere you feel you are a loser if you don't want to put in the hours to get an edge over the pool/site.
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10-27-2024 , 11:47 AM
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It's probably not easy to "crush" pre-rakeback on GG in micros & lowstakes, but it's definitely soft enough to move up stakes and have a decent winrate post-rakeback playing reasonably well. Not saying you personally can't beat it, you probably don't have a big sample yet either to say for sure. But what you will have to do is change your mindset to really capitalize on your determination. I wish I had that kind of drive to eventually make it, but I probably just don't have it. I'm just a small winner on 10-50z on pokerstars on a ~350k hand sample, and I'm very well aware that I could do better only if I'd know how to play better versus fish and nits and other profiles where a GTO strategy just doesn't apply. It's harder than one might think, and it's not the easiest to just figure out on your own without studying correctly. If you think the pool or the site is the problem, switch to something that you feel you're good enough to beat. No point in playing somewhere you feel you are a loser if you don't want to put in the hours to get an edge over the pool/site.
I was thinking the same like i needed specific kind of approach to play better vs fish but after i started playing zoom i realized that it's useless to learn how to play vs fish, most important part is to find your game and have a fish on the table

The rest will come itself, when fish exists they want it or not they will stack off light thats from where our profit comes instead of playing vs nitties who never stack off light
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10-27-2024 , 11:56 AM
This feels like Paisting's thread except you're trying to play well, just with no effective method to do so

Yes the pool is improving, but that's only because the public resources are so much better nowadays

So there's people (like KHANYAY) who can use them effectively and rapidly improve, and others who the game will pass by
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10-27-2024 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam
This feels like Paisting's thread except you're trying to play well, just with no effective method to do so

Yes the pool is improving, but that's only because the public resources are so much better nowadays

So there's people (like KHANYAY) who can use them effectively and rapidly improve, and others who the game will pass by
yes agree i better shut up and just prove that i can climb higher stakes
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10-27-2024 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by blazar
I was thinking the same like i needed specific kind of approach to play better vs fish but after i started playing zoom i realized that it's useless to learn how to play vs fish, most important part is to find your game and have a fish on the table

The rest will come itself, when fish exists they want it or not they will stack off light thats from where our profit comes instead of playing vs nitties who never stack off light
You have a lot of fish in the micro R&C pools, just not as much of the 50+ VPIP guys or players that randomly open shove 100bbs because the patience factor is eliminated in fast formats. It's not useless to know how to play against fish because that is a big portion of the pool you play in, and where your potential winrate comes from. You could be 20bb/100, 40bb/100 or 60bb/100 winner against the same fish, depending on how good or bad you are at exploiting them. Regs also have big leaks you could take advantage of, same goes for nits. Your potential winrate is hugely determined by how good you are at spotting leaks of different players and player types, and what your adjustments are. You can test yourself. List 3-4 player profiles and give all of them 1-2 leaks per street or spot coupled with the potential exploits.

Last edited by Shipnickle; 10-27-2024 at 12:50 PM.
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10-27-2024 , 12:56 PM
This type of fish i love the most

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10-27-2024 , 03:05 PM
600 candies collected, not opening until end of event, will collect as much as i can to aim for that 1k$ jackpot lol

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10-27-2024 , 03:44 PM
Up +10 BI today, during 6k hands they stacked me off only 3 times, one KK vs AA, second TT vs JJ vs weak range and third shoved 66 pre out of tilt, i need to eliminate such punts in the future
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10-27-2024 , 06:00 PM
biggest pot of todays session, thats why its good to play deep, even tho i was little afraid of QQ

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10-27-2024 , 06:05 PM
Here i had attempt to stack off a guy for 200bb, he had big hand here like AA/KK probably should have raised turn?

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10-27-2024 , 06:22 PM
This is how my redline looks like when i open raise first, i have 55 WWSF



This is how my redline looks like when someone open raises first and i call from SB/BB, i have 40 WWSF



Should i play more aggro as i caller or?

Last edited by blazar; 10-27-2024 at 06:27 PM.
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10-27-2024 , 06:56 PM
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biggest pot of todays session, thats why its good to play deep, even tho i was little afraid of QQ

Their flop shove is mental. Definitely worthy of a note.
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10-27-2024 , 07:02 PM
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Their flop shove is mental. Definitely worthy of a note.
It’s more like they do it for safety, as i understand this psychology they’re afraid that im on a draw and if they call they know they’re deep and they can’t fold after
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10-28-2024 , 06:23 AM
Yesterday i took some time to work with filters on PT4, its mind boggling how confident can i be sometimes and wrong in the same time

I thought opening from BTN/CO with unsuited 6 or lower kicker hands like J5 T6 64 etc would still be profitable considering how fold heavy is zoom pool but filters show these kind of hands just not profitable, also calling from the blinds wider burns the money too etc

Base fundamentals so strong
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10-28-2024 , 07:01 AM
Watched Jonathan Little’s youtube video about fundamentals just to compare my ranges

My ranges are actually close to this what 2 pictures show below but i open little tighter from early positions and wider from late positions and almost always raise from SB vs BB (not calling) should i change that?



Here below picture shows 3bet calling range but do you guys find calling 3bets with this range profitable? Some players just 2 barrel postflop and we are in awkward spot, I prefer 4bet vs weaker range or fold

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10-28-2024 , 07:38 AM
Those 3b calling ranges look insane. I'm a confirmed nit if that's a profitable calling range
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10-28-2024 , 09:08 AM
Maybe its like no rake or smth but looks extremly off..
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10-28-2024 , 09:55 AM
Isn’t this for tournaments?
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10-28-2024 , 02:25 PM
jonathan little is a ~2010 MTT pro, not an online cashgame expert...
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10-28-2024 , 03:40 PM
yup, i think i found more legitimate preflop ranges





still missing ranges when im facing 3bets etc need to work on that later on (if anyone can provide will be thankful)

for now started playing new session with little adjustments
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