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10-25-2024 , 06:09 PM
im making them mad a little bit

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10-25-2024 , 07:12 PM
This hand is very interesting for me, how this guy manages to avoid getting stacked off 200bb deep, first he just calls my 3b instead of 4b, i got dream flop vs AK but how the hell i know that villain has AK? my thought process was to give him more cards maybe he will make a set or something and i will stack him for 200bb and as he checks the river im convinced he has weak hand so i go for thin value, jeez how could i have stacked off this nitty player?



feeling like im squeezing water from a stone, hate to play zoom pools man

Last edited by blazar; 10-25-2024 at 07:18 PM.
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10-26-2024 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by blazar
feeling like im squeezing water from a stone, hate to play zoom pools man
AKo flat OOP is fine 200bb deep

maybe if you tried putting some money in the middle you might actually get some value
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10-26-2024 , 07:48 AM
When i thought nothing worse can happen than that AA hand

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10-26-2024 , 08:33 AM
Why are you checking turn?

Answer, controling variance is not allowed.

Sorry but to me looks like two nits playing their hands to its max value potential.
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10-26-2024 , 08:36 AM
I'm thinking to myself now what unfair world we live in, some guys playing mid to high stakes thinking they are way better and i have to suffer at micros like this

I'm stuck because I can't make super disciplined/nitty laydowns when i face preflop 5 bet shoves while im holding QQ/AK (yeah right)

I have to make super tough laydowns postflop basically everytime villain starts to bet huge, even if i have a two pair or better (yeah right)

Otherwise i just lose massive amount of stacks and im not getting 300BB worth of value in 2 above hands where i clearly should have

I mean at this point online poker is in big question, i just wanna see really good players play on GG rush micros over 100k+ sample to see if anyone can really beat it for good without making super nitty/tough laydowns

Well I'm no way giving up, i know ill beat this, im confident with myself and i know what it takes to beat it i just need to make really kind of nitty laydowns that i can't even share here because no one will accept it as correct play but to make such laydowns consistently i must be a robot or something, its extremely tough, its against my nature

Dead money wise my game is really good against that pool
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10-26-2024 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DeeKayBee
Why are you checking turn?

Answer, controling variance is not allowed.

Sorry but to me looks like two nits playing their hands to its max value potential.
I'm checking turn because knowing the pool i don't want to play for my stack there, my intuition tells me that im behind and i will get raised

To further explain: tbh i don't see big values in two pairs anymore especially on that board where straight draw completed, if someone plays big im the one who's losing, i just want to see showdown there, so i check the turn (once again considering pool how nitty they are)

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10-26-2024 , 08:51 AM
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I'm checking turn because knowing the pool i don't want to play for my stack there
You dont have to play for stacks here and vs most players I wouldn't as well. Im calling vs raise here and deciding on rivers (obv depends on opponent).

I think it come down to you being afraid of hard decisions/uncofortable spots.
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10-26-2024 , 08:53 AM
Some guys here think its basic fundamentals and technical side all that matters to beat micros on GG, i agree without solid fundamentals those games will be impossible to beat but thats not enough, not even close, it takes much much more and mainly capability to make huge laydowns
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10-26-2024 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DeeKayBee
You dont have to play for stacks here and vs most players I wouldn't as well. Im calling vs raise here and deciding on rivers (obv depends on opponent).

I think it come down to you being afraid of hard decisions/uncofortable spots.
Yeah that can be true because deep down myself i know how hard it will be for me to lay down two pair there
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10-26-2024 , 08:59 AM
Looking at your hand histories there is a clear pattern. You very often check or bet really small with strong hands and giving opponents the chance to lose the minimum with bluffcatchers that could stack off. So every time you have the best hand you give them a fantastic price, and the times you're behind they just raise your small bets and you stack off. To summarize: Either they call your small bets when they're behind and you win a small pot, or they raise your small bets and you lose a big one.
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10-26-2024 , 09:17 AM
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Looking at your hand histories there is a clear pattern. You very often check or bet really small with strong hands and giving opponents the chance to lose the minimum with bluffcatchers that could stack off. So every time you have the best hand you give them a fantastic price, and the times you're behind they just raise your small bets and you stack off. To summarize: Either they call your small bets when they're behind and you win a small pot, or they raise your small bets and you lose a big one.
yup that can be, well i don't always bet small but in the end it becomes comical, when i bet big opponent has no real hand and when i bet small they have something lol

i believe every stake has its meta game, like for example NL2 is not same as NL5 and NL5 isn't same as NL10, NL25 is different and NL50 is also can be much different etc

basic fundamentals are key foundation on every stake but it's not enough, i need to adapt to meta game and use betting patterns accordingly

maybe here in my case meta game can be to just brute force with my nutty hands just move my stack in by the river no matter what, no matter what board looks like, no matter thinking about ranges etc just make sure stack to be in by the river
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10-26-2024 , 09:28 AM
Imo you are choosing to live like a blind man even though you are not. You clearly have the motivation and discipline to make it but unless you delete everything you think you know and start from the beginning with the fundamentals, get a coach ect, you will never get there. You will always struggle in the micros and blame the pool instead of admit that you s*ck and learn from your mistakes.

Donking turn to charge a little for draws, you ain't charging sh**, you give them a great price and you put yourself in though spots for no reason against a thinking player that will raise every time you donk.
You do certain plays to avoid "though" spots. Donking OTT for example because you don't like facing more aggression is not a reason for betting.
You were calling from SB w KJo, JTo, ...
You play small pots with big hands and big pots with small hands
You are always trying to change your strategy because it didn't work the last 3 hands.
Every hand that you played like a complete fish you make excuses, nitty pool, they don't stack off, pool is this pool is that, blablabla

I don't mean this in a bad way but for me this all means you are running around like a chicken without a head and you just don't realize it.
You have the dedication, you really want to make it. Why not allow yourself to get there then?
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10-26-2024 , 09:37 AM
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Imo you are choosing to live like a blind man even though you are not. You clearly have the motivation and discipline to make it but unless you delete everything you think you know and start from the beginning with the fundamentals, get a coach ect, you will never get there. You will always struggle in the micros and blame the pool instead of admit that you s*ck and learn from your mistakes.

Donking turn to charge a little for draws, you ain't charging sh**, you give them a great price and you put yourself in though spots for no reason against a thinking player that will raise every time you donk.
You do certain plays to avoid "though" spots. Donking OTT for example because you don't like facing more aggression is not a reason for betting.
You were calling from SB w KJo, JTo, ...
You play small pots with big hands and big pots with small hands
You are always trying to change your strategy because it didn't work the last 3 hands.
Every hand that you played like a complete fish you make excuses, nitty pool, they don't stack off, pool is this pool is that, blablabla

I don't mean this in a bad way but for me this all means you are running around like a chicken without a head and you just don't realize it.
You have the dedication, you really want to make it. Why not allow yourself to get there then?
woohoo chill mate chill hahaha well i respect your honesty and agree with most of the things you said but that doesn't mean anything ill get there anyway i believe in myself

about coach, not at this stage, first ill make it with my own strategy to the upper stakes and only then i will hire a coach just to correct my technical side of fundamentals etc

i just dont want someone to build my playing strategy, i dont want to play like they want me to play, i want my own style now
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10-26-2024 , 09:38 AM
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yup that can be, well i don't always bet small but in the end it becomes comical, when i bet big opponent has no real hand and when i bet small they have something lol

i believe every stake has its meta game, like for example NL2 is not same as NL5 and NL5 isn't same as NL10, NL25 is different and NL50 is also can be much different etc

basic fundamentals are key foundation on every stake but it's not enough, i need to adapt to meta game and use betting patterns accordingly

maybe here in my case meta game can be to just brute force with my nutty hands just move my stack in by the river no matter what, no matter what board looks like, no matter thinking about ranges etc just make sure stack to be in by the river
Now we're talking. This is what nutty hands are for, getting stacks in by the river. You should still play good fundamentals and think about ranges. But instead of narrowing down their range to the nuts every time you consider value betting on a straight or flush completing card / board pairing, focus more on the majority of villains range. If you get raised, first think if you can beat some value, if not a fold might be a good option.
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10-26-2024 , 09:51 AM
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When i thought nothing worse can happen than that AA hand

2 monster hands here and you're scooping a 20bb pot.

I really don't see how you don't win a stack running into a top of the range hand and luckboxing the river.
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10-26-2024 , 09:54 AM
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Now we're talking. This is what nutty hands are for, getting stacks in by the river. You should still play good fundamentals and think about ranges. But instead of narrowing down their range to the nuts every time you consider value betting on a straight or flush completing card / board pairing, focus more on the majority of villains range. If you get raised, first think if you can beat some value, if not a fold might be a good option.
agree, will work on that

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2 monster hands here and you're scooping a 20bb pot.

I really don't see how you don't win a stack running into a top of the range hand and luckboxing the river.
well when i bet small on the river i expected a raise but i guess there was a glitch in the matrix maybe a black cat ran somewhere near lol
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10-26-2024 , 09:59 AM
idk whats wrong with this new event lol i opened countless of candles and no more than 0.2$ each where is the 1000$ lol

any idea whats the optimal amount of candles to be opened? maybe i should wait and collect 300+ before opening it

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10-26-2024 , 10:35 AM
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well when i bet small on the river i expected a raise but i guess there was a glitch in the matrix maybe a black cat ran somewhere near lol
I still don't know how you check behind turn and give all the draws out there a free card.

Check call of river by villain is super nitty though. I imagine most people with 99 are putting a raise in and stacking off hoping to see worse.
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10-26-2024 , 10:39 AM
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well when i bet small on the river i expected a raise but i guess there was a glitch in the matrix maybe a black cat ran somewhere near lol
Don't expect opponents to build pot for you.

20bb pot... FH vs FH, straight possible, front door flush came in, Donk-Raise-Call OTF
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10-26-2024 , 10:52 AM
bribri is right but u are also kind of right - hiring coach at this point is likely not necessary or wise and part of the fun should be to get to at least nl100 on your own

i did beat nl200 with basically just intuition back in time and trying to think of poker in my own terms however after bought coaching i realized how flawed i was thinking and managed to improve a lot

by taking some advice and trying to rather focus on what you don't know and question the things you do as ur "own thing" would hugely improve your game
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10-26-2024 , 10:56 AM
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but u are also kind of right - hiring coach at this point is likely not necessary or wise and part of the fun should be to get to at least nl100 on your own
Very strongly disagree.
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10-26-2024 , 11:03 AM
who would coach him and for what kind of money

all the content to how to beat nl50 or nl100 is out there you really just do the work , lol , more ranges and free content and advice than ever before

if someone can dedicate all his time to poker and cant get to nl50 on his own or nl100 he is just lazy

but thats what it is if play lets say nl200 nowadays the regs keep changing - people are soft , there is barely any real grinders anymore

when i started with poker the standards for fastfold players were to play minimum 80000 hands in a month

my first cfp- was with finnish headsup high-stakes player Jakeeee who crushed with massive volumes and I played like 75k hands in a month and he said I should improve my volume

You guys should just work harder

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10-26-2024 , 11:16 AM
imo it's not comparable old fast fold games vs nowadays GG

can someone show the graph actually beating it?
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10-26-2024 , 11:22 AM


Ok zoom 200 this year lowest volume ever bcz cant really grind online that much still totally beatable didn't even study anything

GG sure micro is beatable ur game just sucks
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