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Old 09-15-2012, 07:57 PM   #401
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Re: My journey to becoming a millionaire

So you dont use a hud you just make notes and drink sometimes while playing interesting
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Old 09-15-2012, 08:10 PM   #402
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Whats the BR at? Nice job. very motivating.
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Old 09-15-2012, 08:41 PM   #403
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So you dont use a hud you just make notes and drink sometimes while playing interesting
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Old 09-15-2012, 10:06 PM   #404
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It's kinda ironic how some of the great players and awesome crushers don't use hud (you, isildur) while some micro-stakes grinder claims that it's impossible to crush without one. Lol

How many tables do you play and how do you keep up with action and notes? You gotta have a good memory!
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Old 09-16-2012, 03:40 AM   #405
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So it's 200nl you($200) raise to 6 on CO and sb($200) raises to 20. std reg 7%3b blah blah blah

What is the thoguht process on flatting? I always seem to be 4b or folding almost my entire range.

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Ok, some initial thoughts are: is 10bb standard? most regs raise to 7-8 and highest 9bb, so is this villain saying he's pot committed or is he kinda spewing a bit pf?

This is very standard lower stakes. The logic usually goes that you want to discourage action OOP (sometimes even IP) so you raise bit bigger. What do you think about these std low stakes betsizes and what would be your general strategy to exploit them ?

I 2x open 100% the BTN HU and good reg 3bets alot (around 20% even more sometimes) and makes it 9x everytime. Cbets alot flop. 12bbs into 18bb OTF. Turn bets less than halfpot like 18bb to 42bb pot. I think all villain's betsizes are horrible. But I really don't know how to exploit them very well. I have tried 4bet bluffing to 22-25bb alot. Has not worked very well. He has shoved and flatted alot.
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Old 09-16-2012, 11:14 AM   #406
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It's kinda ironic how some of the great players and awesome crushers don't use hud (you, isildur) while some micro-stakes grinder claims that it's impossible to crush without one. Lol

How many tables do you play and how do you keep up with action and notes? You gotta have a good memory!
Yeah it's definitely not essential that you use a hud, but i guess it can help - just don't become overreliant on it and base decisions just because of the hud stats. The hud is data from previous hands, and the these are all different to the one you find yourself in now.

9-12, and when you play with the same player pool day in day out it makes it easier to know other players playing styles etc. I think i have a good memory with certain things (poker included) but i have a bad memory in other aspects of life (outside poker).

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This is very standard lower stakes. The logic usually goes that you want to discourage action OOP (sometimes even IP) so you raise bit bigger. What do you think about these std low stakes betsizes and what would be your general strategy to exploit them ?

I 2x open 100% the BTN HU and good reg 3bets alot (around 20% even more sometimes) and makes it 9x everytime. Cbets alot flop. 12bbs into 18bb OTF. Turn bets less than halfpot like 18bb to 42bb pot. I think all villain's betsizes are horrible. But I really don't know how to exploit them very well. I have tried 4bet bluffing to 22-25bb alot. Has not worked very well. He has shoved and flatted alot.
Ah yeah I remember I used to use that logic actually! But when you are called you are now playing oop in a larger than ideal pot size... I think you should quit making it 10bb preflop (8bb is nice figure i find) as a 3b (especially when you could see a flop oop, it can be ok when you are in position as chances are you will win the pot , but again it can make you prone to possible cold 4bets (a way of exploiting them)). It depends on what % their 3b is, if high i guess you could 4b to like 18-19bb more, and call less & fold more.

2xing the BU HU 100% is good! Well them making it 9x is kinda spewy, especially when you are only 2xing. I'd just fold more, call less, and 4bet more. Raise more flops if they are 3betting more as the higher their 3b% the less likely they will have a as strong hand on the flop, trap them pf by just flatting AA/KK and let them barrel, and if you do decide to 4b a hand like 99/AQ, snap their shoves, don't question it. If they make it 9bb 3b, there's no need to make it a 25bb 4b, just 17-20bb (at the max) will do the job fine. If they are calling your 4b oop when you've made it 25bb pf, they are pretty terrible, and you can take the pot down with 40% bet on flop and turn pretty high % of the time. But yeah, lower your 4b size definitely.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:01 PM   #407
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... and if you do decide to 4b a hand like 99/AQ, snap their shoves, don't question it...
I get a little lost on this part. Because alot of regs (at low stakes) have decently high 3b% blinds vs. button or cutoff. But they have very narrow get it in range. So it seems like a 4b/fold is better than 4b call.

For example. Say a person has a 10% 3b % in this spot. But will only get in QQ KK AA AK.

1) That range consists of 2.6% of his 10% range. So we make an immediate profit* when he folds the other 73% of the time.

2) Against that range we are crushed.

So should we indeed fold to 5b shoves (Vs. these types) or should we NEVER 4b a hand like AQo and only flat.



*Say its 5/10. raise $30 on button he 3b to $90. We then risk ~$110(3b to 200) more to win ~$125 in pot. He only needs to fold 47% for us to BE.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:39 PM   #408
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Not sure if your still taking HH requests but if so, can you plz post a hand where you have called a flop raise with air, thanks.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:59 PM   #409
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Good question Pea-El-oh. Like I think 4bet/folding AQ is often more profitable than calling unless you know for example that he c/f a lot or b/f insane amount, so that is why I want to do 4bet/fold with AQ as well sometimes.
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:45 PM   #410
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Will reply tomorrow and post updates etc... Been playing on my laptop last couple of days so will transfer hands over too
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:22 PM   #411
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Ya so basically, i guess this is kind of like the question i asked a few posts back.

If we can profitably 4b/fold should we? Even if it means "turning AQ into a bluff"?

Or similarily, not a 4b or flat decision, but a "should we 3b or flat from the blinds" decision.

If we can profitably 3b AQo should we? Like for a semi extreme example, someone opens 50% on BT and folds everything but JJ+ AQo to 3b. How can we decide if a flat is better if the 3b itself is immediately profitable?

Thanks a ton.
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:04 AM   #412
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Sorry if this has been asked.

What stakes did you first ever start playing?

Have you ever been to Aspers Casino in Westfield Stratford? If so, what's it like to play there?

I'm 18, going to deposit $200 and grind 6nl. I'd love to be in your position within the next 4 years! would be my dream!!
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:02 AM   #413
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I get a little lost on this part. Because alot of regs (at low stakes) have decently high 3b% blinds vs. button or cutoff. But they have very narrow get it in range. So it seems like a 4b/fold is better than 4b call.

Ok well if their range for getting it in is > AQ then i'd just call the 3b as wouldn't like to turn a hand like AQ into a bluff pf and you're ahead of alot of their 3b range

For example. Say a person has a 10% 3b % in this spot. But will only get in QQ KK AA AK.

So do they just fold to a 4b with 99-JJ and AQ or call out of pos?

1) That range consists of 2.6% of his 10% range. So we make an immediate profit* when he folds the other 73% of the time.

Yeah but I thinking getting someone to fold to a 4b 73% of the time is very optimistic, i have regs stats always between 48-60% for that..

2) Against that range we are crushed.

So should we indeed fold to 5b shoves (Vs. these types) or should we NEVER 4b a hand like AQo and only flat.

I think it's not good to always 'never' do something, and 'always' do something else, but if what you are saying is true, they will only ever get in better, then you can 4b/fold it.. But let me just say, if i 4b AQ at 10/20, i will never fold to 5b shove (100bb deep). Especially if it's button/cuttoff vs blinds 3b.. So I guess just call the 3b some % of the time, 4b fold to 5b it some % of the time (as long as you are 100% they only shove better). I would say to 4b the players with high 3b% as you will have them beat alot more, but then they would know that you could be 4b them light as you know they have higher 3b% , so may shove worse with this dynamic going on... so would be pretty sick to fold AQ


*Say its 5/10. raise $30 on button he 3b to $90. We then risk ~$110(3b to 200) more to win ~$125 in pot. He only needs to fold 47% for us to BE.

Minraise every button, don't 3x it - and yeah, as that 47% is nice low figure, is why i like to 4b bluff a lot !

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Good question Pea-El-oh. Like I think 4bet/folding AQ is often more profitable than calling unless you know for example that he c/f a lot or b/f insane amount, so that is why I want to do 4bet/fold with AQ as well sometimes.
Hmm... I am in a skype group with about 30 players, I can ask them to see if they 4b fold AQ vs standard reg with fairly high 3b% in blinds if you want me to do a survey


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Sorry if this has been asked.

What stakes did you first ever start playing?

0.25/0.50

Have you ever been to Aspers Casino in Westfield Stratford? If so, what's it like to play there?

No not yet

I'm 18, going to deposit $200 and grind 6nl. I'd love to be in your position within the next 4 years! would be my dream!!

Keep playing and i'm sure you can get there!
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:22 AM   #414
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Not sure if your still taking HH requests but if so, can you plz post a hand where you have called a flop raise with air, thanks.




    On Game, $25/$50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13960002

    UTG: $6,472 (129.4 bb)
    MP: $5,294 (105.9 bb)
    CO: $2,508 (50.2 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $5,047 (100.9 bb)
    SB: $6,641 (132.8 bb)
    BB: $5,369 (107.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6 2
    3 folds, Hero raises to $100, SB calls $75, BB folds

    Flop: ($250) 4 K K (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $175, SB raises to $600, Hero calls $425

    Turn: ($1,450) 6 (2 players)
    SB bets $1,200, Hero folds

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    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


    Didn't expect him to bet so much on the turn..
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    Old 09-19-2012, 09:29 AM   #415
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    Hmm... I am in a skype group with about 30 players, I can ask them to see if they 4b fold AQ vs standard reg with fairly high 3b% in blinds if you want me to do a survey.

    Yes plz, and also curious about the reason why exactly. I mean, in theory I like to call ''because you beat their range and have position'', but pretty often I don't hit and loose the pot. So also, if they like to call, what sort of moves do they make to make it more +ev than 4bet/folding? I know this is a very very very very broad question, but maybe something like ''minraise Jxx, Qxx, Kxx flops a lot''?

    Btw, if this question is to broad, it is no problem. Understand if that is the case.
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    Old 09-19-2012, 09:30 AM   #416
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    So do they just fold to a 4b with 99-JJ and AQ or call out of pos?

    They indeed (almost) never call a 4bet OOP.
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    So do they just fold to a 4b with 99-JJ and AQ or call out of pos?

    They indeed (almost) never call a 4bet OOP.
    what? the average reg wakes up in the morning and ****s his pants in anticipation of all the stupid times he's going to call 4bets oop today with 99-jj and a lot of other stupid hands
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    Old 09-19-2012, 10:14 AM   #418
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    A lot of regs (if not most) just call 99-JJ and AQ from blinds on these levels. (same reasoning: they don't want to get 4bet). Even the regs with high 3b%. They just 3bet polarized, but obv unbalance with a lot of bluffs and only QQ+, AK as value range (3b/5bshove). Vs these regs AQ is obv a call IP vs their bluffheavy 3b range. And you obv don't fold vs most cbets from these villains. postflop skills FTW?!
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    Old 09-19-2012, 10:23 AM   #419
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    *Say its 5/10. raise $30 on button he 3b to $90. We then risk ~$110(3b to 200) more to win ~$125 in pot. He only needs to fold 47% for us to BE.
    You calculated it wrong,it's not 47%. You don't win a 125$pot if your bluff is successful. I don't understand to which amount you 4b,because you wrote "(3b to 200)" so I am not sure about that part to give you a correct result.
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    Old 09-19-2012, 10:26 AM   #420
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    Have no post flop skills
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    Old 09-19-2012, 10:27 AM   #421
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    If we can profitably 3b AQo should we? Like for a semi extreme example, someone opens 50% on BT and folds everything but JJ+ AQo to 3b. How can we decide if a flat is better if the 3b itself is immediately profitable?
    In that exact case,why would you turn such a good hand into a bluff by 3betting it,just take a crap hand and do it instead of doing it with AQ.
    Poker isn't just about 3betting and 4betting,learn to flat preflop and flat 3bets IP and OOP. Otherwise I don't think you can succeed in poker.
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    Old 09-19-2012, 10:39 AM   #422
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    Hmm... I am in a skype group with about 30 players, I can ask them to see if they 4b fold AQ vs standard reg with fairly high 3b% in blinds if you want me to do a survey.

    Yes plz, and also curious about the reason why exactly. I mean, in theory I like to call ''because you beat their range and have position'', but pretty often I don't hit and loose the pot. So also, if they like to call, what sort of moves do they make to make it more +ev than 4bet/folding? I know this is a very very very very broad question, but maybe something like ''minraise Jxx, Qxx, Kxx flops a lot''?

    Btw, if this question is to broad, it is no problem. Understand if that is the case.
    Work on your floating skills and postflop play? Just because you didn't hit doesn't mean you have to fold. Re minraising Jxx/Qxx/Kxx flops, what about raising the 456ccx boards etc, unless they have the high overpair they probably will have to fold.. Minraising the 3 flops you mentioned above is a bit strange, e.g. if board comes K84 rainbow and you minraise it , not sure why? you'd call here with kq/kj,88/44/k8s so not sure what you could raise with? But yeah its a broad question, let's not go down broad question's roads...


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    So do they just fold to a 4b with 99-JJ and AQ or call out of pos?

    They indeed (almost) never call a 4bet OOP.
    I find it hard to believe they fold 99/tt/jj/aq

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    what? the average reg wakes up in the morning and ****s his pants in anticipation of all the stupid times he's going to call 4bets oop today with 99-jj and a lot of other stupid hands
    I am actually one of these

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    A lot of regs (if not most) just call 99-JJ and AQ from blinds on these levels. (same reasoning: they don't want to get 4bet). Even the regs with high 3b%. They just 3bet polarized, but obv unbalance with a lot of bluffs and only QQ+, AK as value range (3b/5bshove). Vs these regs AQ is obv a call IP vs their bluffheavy 3b range. And you obv don't fold vs most cbets from these villains. postflop skills FTW?!
    Exactly
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    Old 09-19-2012, 10:50 AM   #423
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    Responses from me asking this question :

    You are dealer/cutoff, dealt AQ. You raise. the SB 3bets . If we 4bet are we calling 5b shove?
    Do you ever 4b fold?


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    IF we 4bet, we have to call a shove
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    no ofc not
    either opp has a wide enough 5 bet range that we 4 bet for value
    or it is your best 3 bet calling hand
    yeah saw the guy playing without a 3bet calling range
    biiiig mistake
    I dont think he has any idea how wide a 4 betting range he's gonna need to not fold too much to 3 bets
    and he certainly cant 4 bet fold AQ then
    that would be absolutely insane
    he'd get insanely abused
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    y would u 4b fold
    they are saying they 4b fold aq
    im saying dont do it
    lolol never
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    if we have 100bb , think never fold after 4bt
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    IP i would never ever 4bet/fold
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    no, I never do it 100bb deep
    might do it deeper
    but rarely
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    well we are not talking about 4betting, only about when we have 4bet whether we ever fold right
    calling a 3bet otb with AQ is obv fine and vs certain ppl a huge money maker
    like ********* who just goes apesh*t on Axx or vs **** who 3bets A2o-A9o
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    hmmm never 4b fold imo

    They all play 5/10, 10/20+

    Then i asked my friend who plays nl100:

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    i do 4bet fold here sometimes, but mostly i check the guys stats before i decide, if he folds to a ton of 4bets normally i flat, if he doesnt fold to many 4bets i 4bet/call it off

    I guess the games are just different...
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    Old 09-19-2012, 10:56 AM   #424
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    I think if you tell me that someone only gets in QQ/KK/AA/AK i would 4bet 100% of the time , so that they either loosen up a little bit and you can now call off with your AQ (not that you couldn't before ) , or that they never 3b you unless they has top 4 hand... so you just pick them blinds up and its printing money
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    Old 09-19-2012, 12:25 PM   #425
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    GOGOGO!
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