My journey to becoming a millionaire
09-12-2012
, 05:45 AM
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SB: $2,815 (140.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $4,048 (202.4 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K
Q
SB raises to $50, Hero raises to $170, SB calls $120
Flop: ($340) 6
6 3
(2 players)
Hero bets $170, SB calls $170
Turn: ($680) J (2 players)
Hero bets $375, SB calls $375
River: ($1,430) T (2 players)
Hero bets $3,333 and is all-in, SB folds
SB: $2,815 (140.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $4,048 (202.4 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K
QSB raises to $50, Hero raises to $170, SB calls $120
Flop: ($340) 6
6 3 (2 players)Hero bets $170, SB calls $170
Turn: ($680) J
(2 players)Hero bets $375, SB calls $375
River: ($1,430) T
(2 players)Hero bets $3,333 and is all-in, SB folds
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youre obv a crusher at hand reading, but i really dislike to do this move, often they hit the turn card in situations like this, so the river is like "ok.. i didnt have the J, but now i hit my T!" , meaning he calls all his J+x hands
.. yeah dunno, ive tried this a few times myself but never get creditbut the again the flop cards are so low that its so many pocketpairs in there.. i think situation changes hugely if it was 8 8 5
09-12-2012
, 01:39 PM
some days of the week, yes 
not that often they have Jx imo, but i don't think the river is :
, as i would still shove AJ and KJ, and possibly even 10x if i put him on mid pair.
essentially what i'm getting value is the times i have overpair i get paid, and give opponent hard time calling with a , from imo what appears like a weak range to call with.
what stakes have you tried that at? that may affect
also, and this is quite important, the guy (reg) had just sat down at the start of his session, people do not want to start hero calling off their stack <10 hands into the session
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youre obv a crusher at hand reading, but i really dislike to do this move, often they hit the turn card in situations like this, so the river is like "ok.. i didnt have the J, but now i hit my T!" , meaning he calls all his J+x hands .. yeah dunno, ive tried this a few times myself but never get credit
but the again the flop cards are so low that its so many pocketpairs in there.. i think situation changes hugely if it was 8 8 5
.. yeah dunno, ive tried this a few times myself but never get creditbut the again the flop cards are so low that its so many pocketpairs in there.. i think situation changes hugely if it was 8 8 5
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"ok.. i didnt have the J, but now i hit my T!"
essentially what i'm getting value is the times i have overpair i get paid, and give opponent hard time calling with a , from imo what appears like a weak range to call with.
what stakes have you tried that at? that may affect
also, and this is quite important, the guy (reg) had just sat down at the start of his session, people do not want to start hero calling off their stack <10 hands into the session
09-12-2012
, 06:40 PM
Update time:
Graph since I got back from holiday on 5th Sept:
Graph since challenge started on July 14th:
Not really on target for my hand size this month as I have 12 days in the UK still and I think i set a target of 70k hands in that time. Mainly because i've been focussing on the 2-5k tables and not really been playing the 1k ones (which i didn't intend to do, it just kinda happened).
Anyway, I guess if i can turn this $30k or so profit this month into $60k by 13 days time i won't complain that i didn't achieve my 70k hand goal .
Graph since I got back from holiday on 5th Sept:
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Graph since challenge started on July 14th:
Spoiler:
Not really on target for my hand size this month as I have 12 days in the UK still and I think i set a target of 70k hands in that time. Mainly because i've been focussing on the 2-5k tables and not really been playing the 1k ones (which i didn't intend to do, it just kinda happened).
Anyway, I guess if i can turn this $30k or so profit this month into $60k by 13 days time i won't complain that i didn't achieve my 70k hand goal .
09-13-2012
, 04:46 AM
Looks like a pretty sexy graph to me brotatoe, keep grinding out that profit and you'll be millionaire in Vegas before u know it 
09-13-2012
, 08:05 AM
In my house?
09-13-2012
, 08:06 AM
09-13-2012
, 02:02 PM
09-14-2012
, 10:02 AM
After university so just 1 and a bit years ago
Never studied or read book, just learn by playing and sometimes read the 2+2 forums but maybe only once a month. So i guess 98/2 in favour of playing
Downswing in poker, i'm not sure. Maybe 6 figures
Thanks m8
09-14-2012
, 01:36 PM
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When you sit and play with others what you look most about other players?Do you look what line tendencies they have or use?
Not really, i just play position, and bet when in position. I try to play vs the weaker players at the table a lot more. Most regs have similar line tendencies anyway . But yeah, i just vary my ranges according to the position I am sitting in really.
What would you say is biggest difference to lower limits? I can imagine that at your stakes someone folds top pair sometimes but at lower limits some players call allins even with six high so is it like that lower limits are more valueplaying like and higher limits are more like you bluff more and use fold equity?
At the higher limits:
Aggression levels are higher
People play in position a lot more
People play the opponents range a lot more
People 4bet more , cold 4b and vs a 3b to hero's open
People call less
But i don't play lower so it's hard to think of other things off the top of my head if that makes sense.
What would you say will be nl holdem still a profit game next years or will it be more like that it is less profit because of more good players and the edge in the game cant go to infinity?
The number of good regs will always be increasing, but there will still always be fish and whales, so it's ok
And why you play at ongame? Are the games there much softer and you can outplay more?
I know every player and fish, I like the software (most don't), I have now 'friends' there , and ofc I think it's easy
Not really, i just play position, and bet when in position. I try to play vs the weaker players at the table a lot more. Most regs have similar line tendencies anyway . But yeah, i just vary my ranges according to the position I am sitting in really.
What would you say is biggest difference to lower limits? I can imagine that at your stakes someone folds top pair sometimes but at lower limits some players call allins even with six high so is it like that lower limits are more valueplaying like and higher limits are more like you bluff more and use fold equity?
At the higher limits:
Aggression levels are higher
People play in position a lot more
People play the opponents range a lot more
People 4bet more , cold 4b and vs a 3b to hero's open
People call less
But i don't play lower so it's hard to think of other things off the top of my head if that makes sense.
What would you say will be nl holdem still a profit game next years or will it be more like that it is less profit because of more good players and the edge in the game cant go to infinity?
The number of good regs will always be increasing, but there will still always be fish and whales, so it's ok
And why you play at ongame? Are the games there much softer and you can outplay more?
I know every player and fish, I like the software (most don't), I have now 'friends' there
, and ofc I think it's easy
09-14-2012
, 08:59 PM
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What you think of gievmoney? A cool guy to talk to (and a funny mofo when drunk) and one of the best 6 max players in the world (when sober)
You said he plays different style but is quite successful too. Only 'quite' successful?!?
Do you think you have an edge on him or other regulars or wouldnt you play some of them longterm? Hmmm, let me put it like this, i think i can beat 98%+ of nl600 regs, i think i can beat 90% of nl1k regs, i think i can beat 75% of nl2k regs, and i'm not sure about the nl5k regs. The players who play only 5k+ i'd say i'd be bottom 10%, but alot of 1-2k regs also play nl5k (although some short stack it) and if they make up the nl5k regs, then maybe 60% i think i have edge on. So to answer you question, i'd play 12 nl2k tables of regs all day everyday , but draw the line at 5k, i only play them games if fish is sitting (oh and to answer your first question, no i don't have edge vs Giev, i actually think i'm down the most to him overall out of all my databases.
I can imagine it makes not much sense to play against tough players where both sides get the same and its more or less a breakeven game or due to rake even losing game. I agree
When i look to hands you posted you seem to play agressive much so what you do against opponents who checkraise or raise on turn much? Because the turn seems to be the moment of a hand where you get an idea where the hand will go to. To be honest, i don't look at that data, i just take notes on what boards people check raise on. I think i remember who does it more often or not, but I guess having a HUD that gave me this (and other stats that I dont use) would be +ev (i have no clue how to set up a HUD) . But yeah, i agree again, i just played 20mins before my internet started to cut out , and in that little session I gave up (sometimes i had air anyway) to 4/4 turn raises. They are powerful moves
How would you classify fish at higher limits? Are these players who fold to a river shove too much or are these players who call down too much with weaker hands? Just look at their VPIP and PFR , obv all fish that play like 50+/5 or something, and then you have those that are like 30/15.. other stuff like pot size bets, high flop donk bet %, calling any sized bets to hit their draws, etc
You said he plays different style but is quite successful too. Only 'quite' successful?!?
Do you think you have an edge on him or other regulars or wouldnt you play some of them longterm? Hmmm, let me put it like this, i think i can beat 98%+ of nl600 regs, i think i can beat 90% of nl1k regs, i think i can beat 75% of nl2k regs, and i'm not sure about the nl5k regs. The players who play only 5k+ i'd say i'd be bottom 10%, but alot of 1-2k regs also play nl5k (although some short stack it) and if they make up the nl5k regs, then maybe 60% i think i have edge on. So to answer you question, i'd play 12 nl2k tables of regs all day everyday , but draw the line at 5k, i only play them games if fish is sitting
(oh and to answer your first question, no i don't have edge vs Giev, i actually think i'm down the most to him overall out of all my databases. I can imagine it makes not much sense to play against tough players where both sides get the same and its more or less a breakeven game or due to rake even losing game. I agree
When i look to hands you posted you seem to play agressive much so what you do against opponents who checkraise or raise on turn much? Because the turn seems to be the moment of a hand where you get an idea where the hand will go to. To be honest, i don't look at that data, i just take notes on what boards people check raise on. I think i remember who does it more often or not, but I guess having a HUD that gave me this (and other stats that I dont use) would be +ev (i have no clue how to set up a HUD) . But yeah, i agree again, i just played 20mins before my internet started to cut out , and in that little session I gave up (sometimes i had air anyway) to 4/4 turn raises. They are powerful moves
How would you classify fish at higher limits? Are these players who fold to a river shove too much or are these players who call down too much with weaker hands? Just look at their VPIP and PFR , obv all fish that play like 50+/5 or something, and then you have those that are like 30/15.. other stuff like pot size bets, high flop donk bet %, calling any sized bets to hit their draws, etc
09-14-2012
, 10:57 PM
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Can i post a kind of general theory question??? Sure, but don't rely on my words too much Thanks in advance if you choose to reply, I love your thread!!!
So it's 200nl you($200) raise to 6 on CO and sb($200) raises to 20. std reg 7%3b blah blah blah
What is the thoguht process on flatting? I always seem to be 4b or folding almost my entire range. Ok, some initial thoughts are: is 10bb standard? most regs raise to 7-8 and highest 9bb, so is this villain saying he's pot committed or is he kinda spewing a bit pf? - anyway, say it's standard, well you can call with AA/KK and just call him off, u can ofc 4bet him if his 3bet% from the SB is alot higher (e.g. some regs with 7-8%3b overall will have still 12%3b from both of the blind positions and have like 3%3b from CO and 5-6 from BU. If that's the case you can 4b/fold here all your bluffing hands, and you can 4b/call here with slightly less stronger holding (AQ/99+). if his 3b% from SB is not that high, so say 8-9%, then you can just call with these hands. I like to 4b bluff a lot though - but that's just me and it seems to work nice. But regarding 4b or folding entire range, i think you can call all suited connectors , especially 65+ (although maybe not to 10bb 3bets), and also def look at how high is % cbets on flop and turn are, the lower imo, the easier it is to just take it down when checked ...
My thoughts are, that the hands i would flat, are probably super obvious (TT,99, AQo those good but not great hands) so i just either 4b/fold or 4b/call those, depending on his 3b/call v 3b/fold range. And i feel like i can 4b enough bluffs to not be getting exploited by his *high* 3b. And im in a guessing game if I flat worse and hit top weak kicker alot.
I think you should always know, before you 4bet, what hands you are going to call a shove with, and what not. So then when you 4b your AQ and he shoves, you're not left not knowing what to do. (if i was 4b AQ, i'd always call it). 7% 3b isn't high, it's below average I think? But like i say, people 3b from the blinds more, so 4b bluffs can become more +ev. I'd just 4b all Kq/kJ/AJ/AT/A9/random other cards and fold to 5b
But on the flip side. When i 3b oop against a loose CO opener (like myself) and get flatted, it's well, less than stellar. So it makes me think i should be flatting ALOT more when i am the CO opener. Haha, there is that flip to the coin....I guess what it comes down to is how good you think they are post flop, and their betting tendencies
So basicallly in short: Is it fine to be playing a, *exploit his tendencies preflop game as opposed to a, *flat alot and play some post-flop game. Just feels weird in these 3b, 4.5 SPR pots. It's fine to exploit any tendencies , whether it's pre or post flop, so it varies with who the villain is. I see nothing wrong with exploiting preflop, although if his 3b% is an average figure, it can't really be exploited, where as if its like 12-20% or something, it can easily be...
Edit: I re-read this and it just sounded like i suck at postflop poker. But it's def not the case, I just want to think what the optimal way to play a big chunck of your range preflop is in 3b pots IP basically I'm typing this and thinking i suck at explaining poker, so don't worry I mean, recently i've started to flat AA/KK when someone 3bets me and i have position, i never did this prior to this month, i just liked to always try to get it in.
And also, is it ok to have two ranges (4b bluffs and premiums) and (flat those good not great hands) even though theyll be pretty transparent?
This is kinda like how i play in a nut shell, when i 4b i know whether i'm calling a shove, or if i'm folding, there is no "hmmm what to do'' scenarios.Mix in the premium hands like AA/kk into your calling 3b range and will be fine to play in 3b pots in position with other hands too like pocketpairs and them suited connectors
I hope you make sense of at least some of that , It's 4am and i had some drinks tonight (although 6 hours ago)
Thanks in advance if you choose to reply, I love your thread!!! So it's 200nl you($200) raise to 6 on CO and sb($200) raises to 20. std reg 7%3b blah blah blah
What is the thoguht process on flatting? I always seem to be 4b or folding almost my entire range. Ok, some initial thoughts are: is 10bb standard? most regs raise to 7-8 and highest 9bb, so is this villain saying he's pot committed or is he kinda spewing a bit pf? - anyway, say it's standard, well you can call with AA/KK and just call him off, u can ofc 4bet him if his 3bet% from the SB is alot higher (e.g. some regs with 7-8%3b overall will have still 12%3b from both of the blind positions and have like 3%3b from CO and 5-6 from BU. If that's the case you can 4b/fold here all your bluffing hands, and you can 4b/call here with slightly less stronger holding (AQ/99+). if his 3b% from SB is not that high, so say 8-9%, then you can just call with these hands. I like to 4b bluff a lot though - but that's just me and it seems to work nice. But regarding 4b or folding entire range, i think you can call all suited connectors , especially 65+ (although maybe not to 10bb 3bets), and also def look at how high is % cbets on flop and turn are, the lower imo, the easier it is to just take it down when checked ...
My thoughts are, that the hands i would flat, are probably super obvious (TT,99, AQo those good but not great hands) so i just either 4b/fold or 4b/call those, depending on his 3b/call v 3b/fold range. And i feel like i can 4b enough bluffs to not be getting exploited by his *high* 3b. And im in a guessing game if I flat worse and hit top weak kicker alot.
I think you should always know, before you 4bet, what hands you are going to call a shove with, and what not. So then when you 4b your AQ and he shoves, you're not left not knowing what to do. (if i was 4b AQ, i'd always call it). 7% 3b isn't high, it's below average I think? But like i say, people 3b from the blinds more, so 4b bluffs can become more +ev. I'd just 4b all Kq/kJ/AJ/AT/A9/random other cards and fold to 5b
But on the flip side. When i 3b oop against a loose CO opener (like myself) and get flatted, it's well, less than stellar. So it makes me think i should be flatting ALOT more when i am the CO opener. Haha, there is that flip to the coin....I guess what it comes down to is how good you think they are post flop, and their betting tendencies
So basicallly in short: Is it fine to be playing a, *exploit his tendencies preflop game as opposed to a, *flat alot and play some post-flop game. Just feels weird in these 3b, 4.5 SPR pots. It's fine to exploit any tendencies , whether it's pre or post flop, so it varies with who the villain is. I see nothing wrong with exploiting preflop, although if his 3b% is an average figure, it can't really be exploited, where as if its like 12-20% or something, it can easily be...
Edit: I re-read this and it just sounded like i suck at postflop poker. But it's def not the case, I just want to think what the optimal way to play a big chunck of your range preflop is in 3b pots IP basically I'm typing this and thinking i suck at explaining poker, so don't worry
I mean, recently i've started to flat AA/KK when someone 3bets me and i have position, i never did this prior to this month, i just liked to always try to get it in.And also, is it ok to have two ranges (4b bluffs and premiums) and (flat those good not great hands) even though theyll be pretty transparent?
This is kinda like how i play in a nut shell, when i 4b i know whether i'm calling a shove, or if i'm folding, there is no "hmmm what to do'' scenarios.Mix in the premium hands like AA/kk into your calling 3b range and will be fine to play in 3b pots in position with other hands too like pocketpairs and them suited connectors
I hope you make sense of at least some of that , It's 4am and i had some drinks tonight (although 6 hours ago)
09-15-2012
, 08:31 AM
No problem. I re-read my reply and think i'm happy with it ! GL
09-15-2012
, 12:29 PM
I find it really amusing you never read a book or anything.
Can you describe your "learning process" at the tables, in practice? Meaning, how did you manage to become such a beast ONLY and ONLY thru playing!? Did you analyze hands a lot? Did you watch better players play and think of the reasons behind those plays?
Do you just have that inner talent to crush and you don't have to waste time studying?
Can you describe your "learning process" at the tables, in practice? Meaning, how did you manage to become such a beast ONLY and ONLY thru playing!? Did you analyze hands a lot? Did you watch better players play and think of the reasons behind those plays?
Do you just have that inner talent to crush and you don't have to waste time studying?
09-15-2012
, 01:22 PM
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I find it really amusing you never read a book or anything.
Can you describe your "learning process" at the tables, in practice? Meaning, how did you manage to become such a beast ONLY and ONLY thru playing!? Did you analyze hands a lot? Did you watch better players play and think of the reasons behind those plays?
1. I bet the hands dealt to me
2. I started to think about what opponent has
3. I bet according to what i put opponent on (just seen this is the same as 2.)
4. I bet according to how the board changes
5. I bet in position a lot more
6. I watch what other regs do and learn spots where people don't win pots that better one's do
7. Incorporate this into my game
8. Talk with other regs
9. Keep on improving
10. Ask questions all the time in my head, every hand I play, 'what if I do this...', 'what if i do that...', 'will he fold...', 'what am I going to do if he calls?'. Just keep asking myself questions at the tables and eventually you become pretty good
I didn't analyze hands away from the table, i just analyze whilst playing really and just remember my thoughts for the future. I do like to watch higher games or games that i'm not in but could play though for both reads and ways to try and improve. It's amazing actually, when you're not playing at the table, so you're a railbird, it really is a lot easier to know what way the hand is going and put people on card holdings...
Do you just have that inner talent to crush and you don't have to waste time studying?
Lol, i just study by playing lots of hands and learn whilst playing. Sometimes just because you lose a pot you shouldn't see it as money lost, maybe money earned, as the way in which you lose the pot you will learn from this mistake and not bleed money like that in the future, and also be able to pull off that move if you were in the villain's shoes next time the situation arises...
Can you describe your "learning process" at the tables, in practice? Meaning, how did you manage to become such a beast ONLY and ONLY thru playing!? Did you analyze hands a lot? Did you watch better players play and think of the reasons behind those plays?
1. I bet the hands dealt to me
2. I started to think about what opponent has
3. I bet according to what i put opponent on (just seen this is the same as 2.)
4. I bet according to how the board changes
5. I bet in position a lot more
6. I watch what other regs do and learn spots where people don't win pots that better one's do
7. Incorporate this into my game
8. Talk with other regs
9. Keep on improving
10. Ask questions all the time in my head, every hand I play, 'what if I do this...', 'what if i do that...', 'will he fold...', 'what am I going to do if he calls?'. Just keep asking myself questions at the tables and eventually you become pretty good
I didn't analyze hands away from the table, i just analyze whilst playing really and just remember my thoughts for the future. I do like to watch higher games or games that i'm not in but could play though for both reads and ways to try and improve. It's amazing actually, when you're not playing at the table, so you're a railbird, it really is a lot easier to know what way the hand is going and put people on card holdings...
Do you just have that inner talent to crush and you don't have to waste time studying?
Lol, i just study by playing lots of hands and learn whilst playing. Sometimes just because you lose a pot you shouldn't see it as money lost, maybe money earned, as the way in which you lose the pot you will learn from this mistake and not bleed money like that in the future, and also be able to pull off that move if you were in the villain's shoes next time the situation arises...
Last edited by Grind4Money90; 09-15-2012 at 01:29 PM.