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04-26-2012 , 08:43 AM
I've noticed you've refered to 'let there be range' a few times when people have asked you what to read to improve etc... Do you think 'let there be range' is still in tune with todays games?

If I could provide an example:

A big part of the book is about c/r the river when the turn checks through and the turn or river is a high card i.e you c/c a cbet on flop with a pair on 973ss6K, the turn checks through and you c/r the river as a bluff.

Another example of when to c/r bluff the river would be on board runs out something like 569ssK2s because he almost never has a flush after the turn checks through on a a turn overcard (he would semi bluff it). Or (the river Ace) on 9364A because you can rep alot of 2prs.

Do you think these plays still work often enough as a bluff? I suspect you must have a very aggro image so I'm particulary interested to hear your thoughts on it and these examples. I play 400nl - 1000nl and have a fairly aggressive image but I'm prone to chickening out on bluffs in such spots because they seem like very obvious spots to turn your hand into a bluff.
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05-12-2012 , 09:48 AM
Missed this thread the most, cant wait for an update

wb 2+2

Grtz...
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05-12-2012 , 09:51 AM
inb4 +/-$300k
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05-12-2012 , 11:00 AM
In after the kid.
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05-12-2012 , 11:56 AM
Giev update!
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05-12-2012 , 08:09 PM
started to read this thread 10 pages in and blackout massivetilt but well worth the wait

sicklife keep crushing
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05-13-2012 , 02:28 PM
Oh boy 2+2 back up!


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Originally Posted by babaar
I've noticed you've refered to 'let there be range' a few times when people have asked you what to read to improve etc... Do you think 'let there be range' is still in tune with todays games?

If I could provide an example:

A big part of the book is about c/r the river when the turn checks through and the turn or river is a high card i.e you c/c a cbet on flop with a pair on 973ss6K, the turn checks through and you c/r the river as a bluff.

Another example of when to c/r bluff the river would be on board runs out something like 569ssK2s because he almost never has a flush after the turn checks through on a a turn overcard (he would semi bluff it). Or (the river Ace) on 9364A because you can rep alot of 2prs.

Do you think these plays still work often enough as a bluff? I suspect you must have a very aggro image so I'm particulary interested to hear your thoughts on it and these examples. I play 400nl - 1000nl and have a fairly aggressive image but I'm prone to chickening out on bluffs in such spots because they seem like very obvious spots to turn your hand into a bluff.
It completely depends who you are playing against. Some nitty bumhunters might fold and good regs won't fold if you rep too thin range. But for sure those moves worked better when the book originally was published.





Ok so last month was good, ended up +130k.



'mbn to run 130k over ev' -> yes it was nice.


I recently found out that I'm starting to have my bad bad autopilot tendencies back. Last time I was autopiloting 5/10 and I stopped playing the whole stake because of it, and now it's 10/20.

Last year:

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Originally Posted by Giev money??
Hmm.. Maybe I should stop playing 5/10 since I clearly don't focus enough at it anymore.

This years 5/10:


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Variance might do some of it but I'm pretty sure that I just autopilot and click buttons without thinking at 5/10 and try to focus more at the tables that has moar monies to win.
Now:



Again ofc horrible run there but since not even redline is increasing I'm not playing very well. At higher stakes every line goes up. I've probably played too many tables and too much regfests etc so from now on I'm going to only start tables when I'm starting my session or if I have less than 6 tables going on. Clearly not a good thing to play million tables with good regs and just click buttons.


This month is so far looking good:

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05-13-2012 , 03:03 PM
awesome month giev miss threads like these!
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05-13-2012 , 03:26 PM
Looks like your putting in alot more volume than usual? Maybe thats the cause of the quto-pilot
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05-13-2012 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Pea-El-Oh
Looks like your putting in alot more volume than usual? Maybe thats the cause of the quto-pilot
Yeah too many tables and too long sessions. Will try to play less hands and better poker for the rest of the month.
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05-14-2012 , 12:43 AM
love this thread, gives so much inspiration!

giev, 3 super general questions if you would be so generous:

what do u think is better -loose or tight preflop stats for 6max?
check back or c-bet ace high in position?
any must-have Hud stats that msnl grinders might not use?
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05-14-2012 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by VictorChandler
love this thread, gives so much inspiration!

giev, 3 super general questions if you would be so generous:

what do u think is better -loose or tight preflop stats for 6max?
check back or c-bet ace high in position?
any must-have Hud stats that msnl grinders might not use?
Loose is better if you can handle it. Best for 6max is to be solid, not too lag and not too nitty.

Can't answer for the checking back question, it depends on soooo many things. Like what Ax is it, what kind of flop there is and who are you playing against etc.

Most msnl grinders probably has more stats than me. Vpip/pfr/steal/3bet/4bet and you are good to go!
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05-14-2012 , 10:05 PM
Last 2 days:

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05-14-2012 , 10:34 PM
thx for the answers, gl
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05-15-2012 , 03:11 AM
giev, how much HU action do you get nowadays? i suppose close to none on stars, but what about euro sites?

challenge vicky b. in the superstar showdown maybe?
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05-15-2012 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by fibe9
giev, how much HU action do you get nowadays? i suppose close to none on stars, but what about euro sites?

challenge vicky b. in the superstar showdown maybe?
There are 5 - 10 regs who gives HU action all the time.. Not that I play HU very much, only when I'm starting tables since 6max is my maingame.
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05-15-2012 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Giev money??
Yeah too many tables and too long sessions. Will try to play less hands and better poker for the rest of the month.
How many hands and how many tables do you play in one session?
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05-15-2012 , 09:09 AM
I don't understand how you can just play HSPLO when you feel like it even tho you don't play PLO
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05-15-2012 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Zanardi
How many hands and how many tables do you play in one session?
6-12 tables, 2k-6k hands.

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Originally Posted by jackie nguyen
I don't understand how you can just play HSPLO when you feel like it even tho you don't play PLO
Wut? Haven't played plo in months.
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05-15-2012 , 09:57 AM
and i dont understand why do you claim you're over EV $130k in that Aprli's graph... doesnt EV line relate only to showdown winnings (specifically those where you shipped the money before River and got called)?

i realize that I'm prolly missing sth and sound really stupid right now, plus it doesnt rly matter, but... just gotta now or its gonna hunt me forever.

i've been looking for the flaws in my reasoning in a hypothetical scenario where "you" played only 6hands in a month that went like this:

5/10 nlhe (100bb)

#1 (BB): every1 folds
#2 (SB): you open, BB 3bets to 50bb, you push, he folds
#3 (D) : you push AK, BB calls TT and loses (lets say its exactly 50/50)
#4 (CO): you push AK, BB calls TT and wins (lets say its exactly 50/50)
#5 (HJ): every1 folds
#6 (UTG): every1 folds

results for a given hand:
- nonsd 0.5, sd 0, EV 0
- +50bb non sd winnings, sd -- 0, EV -- 0
- +100.5bb -- sd, non sd -- 0, EV -- 0bb
- -100.5bb -- sd, non sd -- 0, EV -- 0bb
- nth changes for the #5, #6

summary:
- non sd: 50.5bb
- sd: 0
- sum: 50.5bb
- EV: 0bb


so how can you be running over All-In EV if there were only 3 all-ins and the expected value can be estimated for only 2 of them?
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05-15-2012 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by r4mz3s
- nonsd 0.5, sd 0, EV 0.5
- +50bb non sd winnings, sd -- 0, EV -- 50
- +100.5bb -- sd, non sd -- 0, EV -- 100.5bb
- -100.5bb -- sd, non sd -- 0, EV --100.5bb

summary:
- non sd: 50.5bb
- sd: 0
- sum: 50.5bb
- EV: 50.5bb
FYP if I understand your examples correctly

@non sd your EV = your winnings. The only time EV deviates from winnings are when AI pre river and no one is drawing dead. That said, AIEV is not telling the whole story of lucky/unlucky. It's just a bit more accuate than the green line.
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05-15-2012 , 12:11 PM
Most memorable villain? I.e. some one you have had the most history with/ had a weird style
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05-15-2012 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Giev money??
Last 2 days:

Hmmmmmm, 2500 hands per day and crushing....coincidence, I think not
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05-15-2012 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by r4mz3s
and i dont understand why do you claim you're over EV $130k in that Aprli's graph... doesnt EV line relate only to showdown winnings (specifically those where you shipped the money before River and got called)?

i realize that I'm prolly missing sth and sound really stupid right now, plus it doesnt rly matter, but... just gotta now or its gonna hunt me forever.

i've been looking for the flaws in my reasoning in a hypothetical scenario where "you" played only 6hands in a month that went like this:

5/10 nlhe (100bb)

#1 (BB): every1 folds
#2 (SB): you open, BB 3bets to 50bb, you push, he folds
#3 (D) : you push AK, BB calls TT and loses (lets say its exactly 50/50)
#4 (CO): you push AK, BB calls TT and wins (lets say its exactly 50/50)
#5 (HJ): every1 folds
#6 (UTG): every1 folds

results for a given hand:
- nonsd 0.5, sd 0, EV 0
- +50bb non sd winnings, sd -- 0, EV -- 0
- +100.5bb -- sd, non sd -- 0, EV -- 0bb
- -100.5bb -- sd, non sd -- 0, EV -- 0bb
- nth changes for the #5, #6

summary:
- non sd: 50.5bb
- sd: 0
- sum: 50.5bb
- EV: 0bb


so how can you be running over All-In EV if there were only 3 all-ins and the expected value can be estimated for only 2 of them?
Wut. Idk what to say. I hope saurons response made some sense, if not hopefully someone else can hop in and say something wise.

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Originally Posted by As1an1nvas1on
Most memorable villain? I.e. some one you have had the most history with/ had a weird style
Definitely yqy from ongame. Oh those days when ongame still had 50/100 and I was taking my first shots there.. And yqy was playing and crushing everyone.
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05-15-2012 , 10:10 PM
No monies for me today.

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