hey giev , you're clearly a great player with a unique style, so I was wondering if you could give me some advice in these two hands i played at 10/20 on ipoker the other night, and give your unique insight into them...






hand 2 same opponent :




Should I have just tried to get it in on the flop ? I considered for about 20 seconds donk leading the turn but didnt know what i would do to a shove so decided against it in favour of pot controlling. I think i was nitting up at this stage cos i was finishing my session.

Awesome graph, pretty sick how a massive crusher of high stakes can still go on a 140k hand b/e stretch though, wp.

ohh hi dearman i was on that table! i think you should check back turn

mbn to run 50bi above ev in a decent sample size

What's the min buy-in at iPoker and how often do the games at 50/100+ run?

You make it look so easy!

Do you feel that your shortstack game is very good too? Do you spend much time thinking about shorter stack play?

Keep up the good work, this is the best thread on 2+2 imo

i that this years graph or isit 10/20 lifetime?

As far as I remember it was something about 23/19.

No way it's anywhere close to those numbers

That redline is so sick, really dont understand how its possible

yeah thinking about it 24/19 seems about right. its all about postflop anyway

giev would play something like 30/25/ 11 3bet fwiw

"Thin spots" is probably the best way to sum it up in two words.

theres no way this is right either. you guys seriously dont understand how red line works. the biggest red line winners tend to play taggish overall, very tight up front and very loose on the button, defend their blinds a lot and well, hand read well, bluffcatch well/too much, and attack weak ranges. there is no secret trick, you just have to play well, win every pot you can win, and put as little as possible into pots you cant. this is why people who set out to learn the 'red line style' never figure it out, its not about some gimmick like bluffing infinitely or never folding, its about playing well and being able to read hands/manipulate pot sizes better than your opponents.

well said sir

pretty much this

What smellmuth said, and for those who still don't buy it, imagine this.

Once every 500 hands you put in 10 tiny bbs on the turn in a spot where you're drawing close to dead against your opponents range, you face the inevitable river bet and go "meh" and fold.

Giev wouldn't do this as often as you do and you just detracted 10ptbb from your redline.

First thank you for this thread!

2nd i have some questions for you!

-What is your c/r%, raisecb%?

-Do you think you coldcall more than other reg vs steal?

-What your tilt looks like ? spew too much? how do you get out of tilt? what do you think?
You still say to yourself its just variance even if you playbad?

-I consider myself looseagro , but have redline going dowwwwn,(blinds...) is that i bluff too much with weak range pf and flop and then giveup to much turn/river?

-Do you have any tip for change habits at the table?

thank you!

please sir, can you post this in the margoko thread? i have a bunch of 25nl pros arguing the complete oposite of what you just said. I tried to say what you did but it obviously didnt come out as perfect.

blackman08 is one of those guys.

Redline is avoiding spew. Spew is raising 67s utg when button 3bets 15% vs utg. etc

What on earth are you doing?

Why are you asking people to derail someone elses thread? Are you seriously that bothered that someone disagreed with you?

lol at mentioning blakks name as well...

Grow up.

youfaill was an other one of those 10nl warriors

he's starting fights everywhere

Giev Money, i sincerely apologize for derailing your thread by asking for your preflop stats. That's pretty much all I wanted to know really.

I wish you the best of luck in future months and I am looking forward to following your success


Ofc if people wanna start a discussion and derail its up to them, and if others are so sickly insecure that they come in this thread- that has been an inspiration to all kinds of players playing all sorts of stakes- trying to make people derail other threads it's up to them as well.

really sad to see how some people just have no idea how to have a discussion like grow ups and prefer to make a fool out of themselves over an issue that obviously has two legit answers. You - ...|... - are a sad sad creature.

No reads on villain? First hand might be easier to just check back turn and call most rivers. 2nd hand definitely don't get it in on the flop since you won't ever have good equity. Can't say what to do on the river without knowig anything about the villain. You can pretty much do anyting.. Crai/call/fold. With a c/rai you might get some ppl to even fold 8x when ~200bb deep. Call is probably the worst option against some random reg.

Yep. But then again I'm under ev et 25/50. But I'm over ev at 25/50+ which matters most so.. Anyway ev is only a small part whole 'run'.

50/100+ hardly ever runs and and the min buyin depends if it's a normal table/shallow table/min 50bb table etc.

I guess my shortstack game is ok'ish but idk. I don't use any time thinking shortstack playing because I don't play shallow tables that often.


Lifetime.. I have only 150k hands in this year at all stakes.

Hmm I don't think I've ever discussed my stats itt..?

This is very very well said.

1. Sry I don't wanna talk about my specific stats, too many regs reading.

2. Idk

3. I might spew but I don't think that tilting affects my game very often and ofc if I make a bad play I don't blame variance.

4. Yeah that might be at least one reason.

5. What habits do you mean?

Did u also use 100BI brm at 50NL or only starting at midstakes??

5k for 50nl lol

Would be nuts if he did.

I already asked Giev something along those lines, and he said ''100bi brm, variance can be cruel'', so it might be possible Just curious, because you need some sick discipline for that.

Nah.. When I played nl100 and lower I didn't know anything about poker or that's how I now feel at least. Back then ppl said that 20 buyins is enough so that's what I had. It was after I started to play full time when I had 100bi brm.