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02-18-2011 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by verneer

So - these things happen and it's time to make some temporary adjustments to get through this stale period. The key is to make smart adjustments pre-game, continue making winning plays, and let the results come.
Could you expand a little on what kind of adjustments you are making? Good thread btw and congrats on your success.
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02-18-2011 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by neok
^Indeed a donkeyline you took there
The donkey does suck out, so maybe I should do more this kind of stuff The river was "a bit" overkill, but don't mind the rest.
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02-18-2011 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by verneer
The key is to make smart adjustments pre-game, continue making winning plays, and let the results come. The dumb thing is to get frustrated with the short term results and start trying to force things
Great advice.
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02-18-2011 , 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by iminbetonly
The donkey does suck out, so maybe I should do more this kind of stuff The river was "a bit" overkill, but don't mind the rest.
I bet the flop. Broadway and hearts can follow you. Much easier to get stacks in by river when you bet flop, without having to overbet shove.

And this isn't a donkey play on either end, it's a double-reverse cooler. The correct play for both players is to get their stacks in the middle by the river. One of them will lose
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02-18-2011 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by verneer
My HUD:

Hmmm, you've dropped a lot from your hud since your last challenge



Any reason for this?
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02-18-2011 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by mtagliaf
I bet the flop. Broadway and hearts can follow you. Much easier to get stacks in by river when you bet flop, without having to overbet shove.

And this isn't a donkey play on either end, it's a double-reverse cooler. The correct play for both players is to get their stacks in the middle by the river. One of them will lose
So you donkbet in a 3betpot with middle set?
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02-18-2011 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sd2010
For instance, when a board comes dry 28K and we have KK, cbetting could be terrible against a lot of villains, even though this would make our cbet success % go up.

Noob question here... why would cbetting be bad on that board?

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Originally Posted by lau808
cause he's likely to not have hit that flop hence it being a dry board.
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Originally Posted by RangeyMcTriplmerge
This. I'm betting here all day long with a set, precisely because it will look like a standard c-bet. and depending on the turn card, a check would look like a typical 'ok you got me, i tried to take it down on the flop but you obviously have me beat, i give up ' which would probably encourage villain to take a bash more than a flop check. Appreciate it's always villain-dependent obv but I'd definitely put in a bet here.

Level 2
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02-18-2011 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by neok
So you donkbet in a 3betpot with middle set?
well, I hadn't realized as I was writing that post that it would be a donkbet, but now that I'm thinking about it, I don't hate it. I suppose it depends on the villain, and how he reacts with an overpair.

Will he fold an overpair to a checkraise?
Will he raise/get it in w/ a donkbet with an overpair?

Checkraise is obv. better when he has AK.
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02-18-2011 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by neok
So you donkbet in a 3betpot with middle set?
Nah, don't do that!
But you must c/r at some point surely. Either flop, turn or river. Leaving the pot at about $15 with $24 or something back on the river is just stupid, and sure it's risky to c/r river, but over-shove leading is a bit crazy. I personally like a small flop raise on that texture, but a turn raise is okay too (although your hand will look extremely strong), and slow playing before a c/r on the river is good, but a little risky if AQ+ decided to check it back. Personally I do agree that your line is pretty donkyish. Just c/r flop and get it in is surely best (although your way, you ran on EV, rather than spiking a 1 outer)...
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02-18-2011 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker J
Level 1





Level 2
lol, so true... :/ could be worse, i could be level 0..... its an improvement i hope...
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02-18-2011 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by lau808
lol, so true... :/ could be worse, i could be level 0..... its an improvement i hope...
To bet honest both are fine, it really depends on what level you think your villian is on. If he is thinking crap I got QQ and K on the board again. I run so bad. Then checking is correct. If he is thinking the odds are he does not have a K or AA so I am going to call his C bet, the later is correct.

Something even more concrete would be to look at their call C bet percentage and that can tell you what level they are on, maybe.
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02-18-2011 , 04:26 PM
Actually Poker J, that's not quite right lol. Level one = what do I have, level two = what could he have, level 3 = what could he think that I have.

So it's levels 2 and 3 not 1 and 2 .
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02-18-2011 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Alexander Young
Actually Poker J, that's not quite right lol. Level one = what do I have, level two = what could he have, level 3 = what could he think that I have.

So it's levels 2 and 3 not 1 and 2 .
Ok, Ok but the names were not as important as the the point.
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02-18-2011 , 05:04 PM
im a level 2! opens champaigne bottle
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02-18-2011 , 07:31 PM
Lol I know I'm just grinding your gears.
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02-18-2011 , 10:39 PM
How well would you guys rate/recommend the holdem leakbuster section?

Is it reliable to give decent playing analysis for micro stakes?
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02-18-2011 , 11:37 PM
well done, ur videos on cr are the nuts.

off topic: what kind of breed is your dog? i just got a puppy that looks exactly like it, but can't figure out his breed. is it part lab?
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02-19-2011 , 05:04 AM
Good luck!

Def appreciated the micro vids that helped me get through them. Pop in and say hi in uBBV once in a while imo.
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02-19-2011 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexander Young
Actually Poker J, that's not quite right lol. Level one = what do I have, level two = what could he have, level 3 = what could he think that I have.

So it's levels 2 and 3 not 1 and 2 .
yup, my 'cbet here always' approach may not be too sophisticated but it's definitely premised on level 3 thinking
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02-19-2011 , 09:02 AM
"2. My W$WSF is crap (mid 30's) vs. low to mid 40's when I'm doing well."

Really shocked about this!
I'm sure you can think of spots where you are being too passive and giving up easy money.
How is your play in limped pots? Mostly when you're on BB with really trash hand and it looks like noone has anything, maybe you dont pay enough attention on these?
For example a fish openlimps, you check 47o and its HU on A28r flop, its crazy how much folds you get here even vs most guys who only fold like 30-40% to c-bets. Its soo criminal not to bet flop or turn (if he checks behind) with any low air holdings imo. Doesnt even have to be near this extreme and I believe taking stabs at these is hugely +ev in general. These limped pots occure so often aswell that they really have an impact on your winrate.
Would be interesting to hear more of your thoughts on your play relative to this stat.

Also GL!!! I kinda started my pokerlearning from your videos and also your last thread helped my preflop play really much. So thanks for that and thanks for doing a challenge like this, truly remarkable.
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02-19-2011 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by losingsight
"2. My W$WSF is crap (mid 30's) vs. low to mid 40's when I'm doing well."

Really shocked about this!
I'm sure you can think of spots where you are being too passive and giving up easy money.
How is your play in limped pots? Mostly when you're on BB with really trash hand and it looks like noone has anything, maybe you dont pay enough attention on these?
For example a fish openlimps, you check 47o and its HU on A28r flop, its crazy how much folds you get here even vs most guys who only fold like 30-40% to c-bets. Its soo criminal not to bet flop or turn (if he checks behind) with any low air holdings imo. Doesnt even have to be near this extreme and I believe taking stabs at these is hugely +ev in general. These limped pots occure so often aswell that they really have an impact on your winrate.
Would be interesting to hear more of your thoughts on your play relative to this stat.

Also GL!!! I kinda started my pokerlearning from your videos and also your last thread helped my preflop play really much. So thanks for that and thanks for doing a challenge like this, truly remarkable.
Verneer's W$WSF does sound very low indeed. Don't know what you play (6M or FR), but I have a feeling that for FR, a good figure for this stat, may be lower than a good figure for 6M.... ??
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02-19-2011 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TheKaizen
How well would you guys rate/recommend the holdem leakbuster section?

Is it reliable to give decent playing analysis for micro stakes?
Yes, and all of the stat ranges have been updated less than 3 months ago. The stat range part is really one small part of LB. The better part is all of the algorithms and filters used to find your leaks.

But it's an awesome tool if you put some time in with it. I'm biased because I help create it, but if you have any questions just let me know. Always happy to help.
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02-19-2011 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by EasyMoney92
Verneer's W$WSF does sound very low indeed. Don't know what you play (6M or FR), but I have a feeling that for FR, a good figure for this stat, may be lower than a good figure for 6M.... ??
You're missing tons of value if your w$wsf is that low. There's a point where if it's too high, you're bluffing too much, but it needs to get into at least the low 40's. How loose you are pre-flop will play a roll in this too. The tighter you are, the higher this number should get.
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02-19-2011 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 300zxrider
Could you expand a little on what kind of adjustments you are making? Good thread btw and congrats on your success.
Most of the time it's tightening up and putting in less money in marginal spots (i.e. 3-betting light, barreling with air, and playing marginal hands both in and out of position).

In addition to that, it's running different filters and re-examining what is and isn't working.

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Originally Posted by Dream
Hmmm, you've dropped a lot from your hud since your last challenge



Any reason for this?
Two main reasons: It's FR and it's Rush.

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Originally Posted by Number1Hater
well done, ur videos on cr are the nuts.

off topic: what kind of breed is your dog? i just got a puppy that looks exactly like it, but can't figure out his breed. is it part lab?
Thanks! I think it's part lab, part hound, and part ninja.
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02-19-2011 , 08:42 PM
February 19th Update:

Picked up ~ 4.5 BI's today after being stuck early. As I wrote last time, I was in the middle of a break-even stretch, but after a nice heater to my session, I made a new high for the year by about a buy-in:



My volume has dropped from last month. I'm current at ~56K hands for the month. Per playing day, that works out to around 3.3K hands per day, but some of those days were very high volume. I'm guessing I'll play five more days this month (need 4 more for IronMan) and will average around 3K hands per day. That will give me roughly 70K hands for the month.

Last month, I played 120K hands, but my hourly is ~$35/hr this month whereas it was ~$13/hr last month. Currently, my BR sits just north of $3,700 and I hope to enter March with ~$4K. At that point I'll probably start taking some shots at 100NL, but I am in no great hurry to do so atm.
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