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01-22-2011 , 12:25 PM
The Q came on the turn, not the river, sorry.

I had JTs, he had QQ. Flop was JJx, Turn was Q. River I don't remember... I was too busy cursing myself
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01-22-2011 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by verneer
Running some filters as I'm breaking down my play using HEM. Here is one in which I have KK:



After 217 hands, I was b/e with KK @ SD. I feel like there is something there but I'm not sure what it is. AI EV is around the same.
I started filtering my graphs by AA, KK, etc. It's showing me a huge problem. My SD winnings with AA is well below half my non-SD winnings. SD winnings with KK is -$63. Non-SD winnings with KK is +$74 QQ is even worse.

That's a real eye-opener
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01-22-2011 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by verneer
Running some filters as I'm breaking down my play using HEM. Here is one in which I have KK:



After 217 hands, I was b/e with KK @ SD. I feel like there is something there but I'm not sure what it is. AI EV is around the same.
This is very interesting verneer. I'm wondering if you are taking a more passive line to allow villains to value-bet worse, hence you are getting to showdown more often. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing if your nsd winnings with KK are much higher than your SD winnings, but there is definitely an issue if both are nearly BE as you say in the first 217 hands.

I always thought it is a terrible idea to "slowplay" kings since you can get coolered by any Ax when you do so, but is that what you are doing? What does your 4 bet range look like? Is it only bluffs/never bluffs/ only AA?
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01-22-2011 , 03:26 PM
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Interview that I did with PokerNewsDaily.

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/vernee...terview-17735/

Also, it looks like 28 people applied for the free coaching session I offered on twitter. That will still be open until today in the evening as I'll spend most of the morning/afternoon reviewing stuff instead of playing.

Verneer, I'm late to the party, how do I actually apply? I can tweet you my 2p2 handle if it is necessary.
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01-22-2011 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SchererBoy
Verneer, I'm late to the party, how do I actually apply? I can tweet you my 2p2 handle if it is necessary.
I'm a little vague on this myself

I think you just tweet your guess at what you think his first hand will be tomorrow - that's what I did anyway.
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01-22-2011 , 06:05 PM
Geezes ... I've taken a pretty massive thrashing today so far
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01-22-2011 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by verneer
Running some filters as I'm breaking down my play using HEM. Here is one in which I have KK:

After 217 hands, I was b/e with KK @ SD. I feel like there is something there but I'm not sure what it is. AI EV is around the same.
Variance
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01-22-2011 , 07:50 PM
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Geezes ... I've taken a pretty massive thrashing today so far
At least I'm not the only one =/
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01-22-2011 , 07:56 PM
It's opposite day... everyone is down and I was up. Usually it's the other way around
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01-22-2011 , 08:41 PM
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Geezes ... I've taken a pretty massive thrashing today so far
I have been having terrible luck at the tables the last 3 days. my normal w$sd% is around 55%, the last 3 days it's at 45%. still playing exactly the same, just not getting paid when i hit and getting coolered repeatedly when they do feel like playing. I'll just grind through it i guess.
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01-22-2011 , 09:52 PM
Sweating a friend and saw the best 50NL name EVER:

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01-22-2011 , 10:21 PM
Hey verneer,

Do you take any notes on rush opponents either in-session or during your post-session HEM reviews?

Based on your recent hand histories it looks like you're buying in for 100bb now. If so, how much of this is due to having a healthier bankroll and how much is due to reads on regs and/or the player pool that you now have?
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01-23-2011 , 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by verneer
It's a hand where you should have 3-bet preflop, but in general, I think that very, very few hands are interesting. Most of the hands that are interesting are the ones where we know the players and cards involved and can try to figure out why they did what they did. For example - the Durrrr QT vs. Greenstein's AA and Eastgate's 52 hand was very interesting. Some of the hands Isilidur played vs. Ike were interesting.

The general problem with "interesting hands" is that they are super-marginal situations which are best navigated with specific reads. Time spent worried whether we made a thin call or thin fold is a very inefficient use of our time. In this case you didn't have a specific read, so we are left guessing whether:

A) Villain is value betting a worse hand (2p, set, etc)
B) Villain is value betting a flush or AA.

We simply don't know. Also, whether you call or fold here will have very little consequence on whether you will be a long time winner or loser. Thus, when I ask my students to pick hands for discussion, I don't ask for "interesting hands", but to pick a bunch of hands that gave them trouble. I then look for themes within that set of hands and we discuss that.

For example, one of my recent students found himself OOP with draws in a bunch of spots. We discussed conditions for when to c/f, c/r, and c/c our draws. We also discussed preflop play (should we have called/folded,3B). So - none of the hands were particularly interesting, but the set of them was instructive.

He came away with some greater ideas which he can generally apply.
You are full of knowledge. Thanks for educating us.

Why can't Rush FR micro be easy all the time...

Rush NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($51.60)
BB ($82.65)
UTG ($105)
UTG+1 ($61.10)
UTG+2 ($112)
MP1 ($61.35)
MP2 ($19.35)
Hero ($137)
BTN ($50.95) no read on villain

Dealt to Hero A K

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, fold, fold

FLOP ($3.75) 6 4 J

Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

TURN ($4.75) 6 4 J A

Hero checks, BTN bets $12.25, Hero calls $12.25

RIVER ($29.25) 6 4 J A K

Hero checks, BTN bets $36.70 (AI), Hero calls $36.70

Spoiler:
Hero shows A K
(Pre 68%, Flop 77.3%, Turn 100.0%)

BTN shows Q 7
(Pre 32%, Flop 22.7%, Turn 0.0%)

Hero wins $99.65
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01-23-2011 , 02:08 PM
verneer, can you talk a little bit about playing while drinking? i always seem to lose money, and i was wondering if you had any tips or strategies to improve my inebriated game.

not sincerely,
a dumbass
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01-23-2011 , 02:25 PM
if u feel they are still playing back at u, keep drinking til u dont feel that way anymore, or dont care. but not so much to where u cant continue playing your a game
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01-23-2011 , 04:32 PM
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if u feel they are still playing back at u, keep drinking til u dont feel that way anymore, or dont care. but not so much to where u cant continue playing your a game
Something along these lines.
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01-23-2011 , 05:43 PM
Where are you at in ur challenge so far?
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01-23-2011 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SnowProblem
verneer, can you talk a little bit about playing while drinking? i always seem to lose money, and i was wondering if you had any tips or strategies to improve my inebriated game.

not sincerely,
a dumbass
lol if you want to light money on fire that's one way of doing it--playing while drinking. I have been guilty from time to time of drinking 30 minutes before playing....
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01-23-2011 , 08:19 PM
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Anyway, if you're worried about the money being spent correctly you should spend it yourself like he did. He bought tons of dog food for the SPCA, and gave each person working there a $25 gift card for Apple Bee's, and for the Food drive he did the same thing.
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I have not finished the contest, but I'm definitely going to research my options and look to give money to smaller and well vetted groups.

I'll start that whole process in the next month or so.

Isn't the whole point of giving money to a charity that they can micromanage the funds for you so don't have to waste your time splitting your money into $25 gift cards?
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01-23-2011 , 08:33 PM
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Isn't the whole point of giving money to a charity that they can micromanage the funds for you so don't have to waste your time splitting your money into $25 gift cards?
Yes, but there are a lot of charities that eat up donations with a lot of administrative overhead. If you truly want to get money where it will do the most good, it is a good idea to investigate the organization thoroughly before giving the money.
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01-23-2011 , 08:52 PM
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I don't agree with this, we should bet for value if we think they will call with a worse hand in their range 50% of the time or more. We can't take showdown every time we don't have the immortal nuts, we will lose value like crazy.

We can argue whether or not we think we're ahead of his range 50% of the time on this hand or not, with the flush out there and all, but a set of kings is a bit better than showdown-worthy.
Leveled.
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01-23-2011 , 10:53 PM
Jan 23rd Update:

It's been a brutal last 10K hands. First, my progress so far (within a few hundred hands of 100K hands for the month):



The last 10K hands have been littered with coolers, bad beats, suck-outs, and I'm sure plenty of bad play on my end. Still, I managed to claw my way back to within $20 of my peak. As with all downswings, this one seems to be over and I feel like I'm going to come out of it a stronger player.

What's the biggest thing I'm going to take away moving forward? Continue to find the fold button vs. fully stacked players who suddenly want to play huge pots.
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01-23-2011 , 11:25 PM
glad to see you've rebounded verneer. I hope I can do the same after going on one twice as bad as yours (probably because I'm not as good as you ldo.) but here's to hoping it turns around!
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01-23-2011 , 11:46 PM
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I'm kicking off Saturday by watching [Vital]Myth's Check Yourself (Part 1) to compare/contrast how he does HEM reviews to the way that I do. I'll post my overall thoughts on the video when I'm done.
I watched these this weekend, since you mentioned them. Not much actual database review, but lots of useful info. A good bit about the most common leaks to look for, along with several hands to demonstrate what he was talking about.

Still looking for a good DB review video though, if anyone knows of one.

I've got a bunch of stats that I'm not sure what to look for
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01-24-2011 , 01:53 AM
When is the 3rd video in your series going to be coming out?
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