Since his stack is 600$ - i doubt you had enough reads to make that kind of play....Also would you really value bet small-medium PP up to 99 here? If not then your value range on river becomes really really narrow... Tx + sets...which are probably only 88 which are in your 3betting range...

Also calling small-medium PP to 4bet and hoping for a set is suicidal...

So if I would be in villain shoes I would probably end up calling you as well Cause your line makes little sense

Also calling 4bets OOP = super super unbelievable -EV spot being 100BB deep.

The best flop for you is Flush draw which will happen ~10% of the time or A7x which will happen ~2% of the time + trips 1% so you have 13% total were you can continue...

Not to mention where you will get Ax and then will be in trouble vs AK and AQ...and thats the most likely scenario.

Great thread! GL and keep us updated.

He was "unkown", but I knew he was a reg. I thought he'd give me more credit, since he'd think that I'd probably not try to bluff someone without any history. Like, he can't be sure I dont shove 99 there or w/e.

And I'm getting 3-1 on a call, and I think he'll be afraid of me flatting 4bets, and c/f alot if he misses. Not to mention those few times that I actually hit something.

Half month update:

Overall I think I improved my game during this period and I got redline where I wanted it... to be slightly positive or at least break even... I could push higher but I think it would be < EV because it would involve too much bluffing.

Very hard to play much poker during the summer...when the weather is so good

so far 13PTBB average...

You shouldn't be 3betting A(rag)s in the first place... and even worse calling... 4bets because you will be in so many bad spots...

I doubt KK or QQ or JJ will give you whole stack on A flop... but on A flop you will definetly loose a lot...when running into AQ or AK...

But as played... Im not saying I don't like your bet turn + river since his hand looks exactly like AK AQ without flush card.

Maybe your image was bad and thats why he called you....

And like I said if he is really smart/good player... he will know that Your value bets are only Tx and 88 very rarely you would take this line with 99...and at the same time there shouldnt be any Tx in your 3betting range..

Exept T9s and T8s

Also if he is a reg he probably has datamined stats of you... and saw something in those stats... which made him to call your river shove...

Sorry, but this is pritty incorrect. Ax is in fact one of the best hands to 3bet, and we should flat hands like T9s

Just wanted to say awesome thread, you are truly a great player... subscribed

I don't agree with this at all...your 3betting range shouldn't include dominated hands and should be polarized....

Let me ask you this... You 3bet A9 and the flop is A36 you cbet a guy calls... turn is 8.. what do you do here? You check guy bets.... what do you do?

I obviously do the same thing aginst all guys... or not

My point was that once you get Ax flop w A(rag)s hand.

You will flop Flush- flush draw - trips or 2 pair ~ 15% of the time.

When you hit Axx board with Ax the best case scenario for you is to get 1 street of value... from PP.

But you will run into AJ AQ AT so often that you will be lossing 2+ streets way often.... Then just making 1 street value from PP.

So you should be 3betting AQ+ and flatting (AJ AT) type of hands to keep all dominated Ax in his range and extracting 2+ streets from opponent.. not the other way around.

Only 1 case where you can 3bet Ax rag suited if the opponent folds a lot of to 3bets and then folds a lot to the cbet... Then you make good amount of $$$$ - but also in that case 3betting crappy hand like 85s gives even more value vs this type of opponent.

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AQs-ATs,AQo-AJo 2.7%

Medium PP - TT-77 - 1.8%

Lets look at the couple scenarios....

YOu will not even make 1 street of value vs 77-1010 on flop like AJx AKx AQx A10x (unless they have TT) so when you cbet your Ax or 85s it has the same result if they have small pp.

So even to make $$$ 1 street from PP you need a perfect flop like A36 A68 or something like this and this is rare.

But if the flop is AJ AK AT AQ and they have AT-AQ you will definetly gonna lose 2 streets almost always...no matter what you do.

Also hands like A2-A8s will not have enough 2 barreling spots...

lets look hand like 85s anything like 79x 76x 96x 74x 46x on flop or picked up that hand on turn you can barrel to look extremely strong + getting folding equity + equity to the nuts and getting paid big on river.

If you have A2s you can barrel only 34 35 and thats it. Hands like A6s - A9s don't have 2 barreling spots at all...

Anyway my point is that if you include medium hands like A2s-A9s or KToff or QToff or J10off in your 3betting range it's wrong because you are OOP... and this are dominated hands.

I agree about 4 betting hands like A2s-A9s because most of the time we can't call 3bet with them but because of the canceling effect its bigger chance that when they 3bet they don't have Ax in their range.

But OOP with A2s-A9s its perfect spot to play smalll pot.

Who told you to 3bet A2s-A9s?

I do not agree with most of this, but w/e. I 3bet A2s-A9s when I don't think it's especially profitable to just flat. A4s will flop a hand that is good at showdown alot more often than 85s (but both hands are obviously good hands to 3bet)

I disagree w/ you here, but everything else you wrote looks ok. Although, you could 3-bet K-10 and worse for value vs some opponents, but I wouldn't call it standard.

wow liked reading this thread, alex you're a verry skilled player! gl at the tables mate

We don't need to go to the extremes and vs opponent who call 3bets with K5s+ J7s+ and so on... we can 3bet KT for value... I am talking vs average player...

What part regarding A2s-A5s barreling vs 85s barreling you disagree?

A2s-A5s have more barreling spots then 85s?

any updates? its been a while since last time

Yes please can you update more.... Im gaining so much more knowledge from reading your blog.

I am currently moving up between 100nl - 200nl HU i was just wondering if you could give me some advice e.g. watch me play for like 30mins and if you see any improvements i can make tell me... Would you be interested in something like this? If so send me a pm with a reply mate.

threads like this hardly help....

Summer time + got addicted to rebuy tourneys...

Not much HU - tourney results this week... 2000$+ 26 tourneys 35% ITM

man why do I still play 6max, I would be extremely happy beating 50NL at half your winrate ^^

I don't know why you would stay around 100nl with that winrate over such a sample

You're better than most 400nl regs assuming you don't 1 table droolers as 100% of your game.

bump, really got inspired when reading this thread.

Updates?

Interesting debate on if its correct to 3bet Arag type hands.
Here's my take , To simply dismiss 3beting Arag hands for fear of being dominated is a prety big mistake ,for so many reasons which go beyond the scope of this post.

One major considderation I didnt see was 'stack depth'. this is a major considderation when 3beting with Ax or indeed any hand.
IFS range of AQ+ & A2-A9 looks ok for 100bb, id prolly polorise that further by flatting A6-AJ but thats more a stylistic thing.

Once we get deeper 250bb+ , our fear of being initally dominated actually decreases oddly enough , mainly because it just takes more for us to get that many bb in.
were not worried about things like reverse implied odds if were never stacking of on a Axx board with A3.But to never 3bet A3 even at 100bb is prety weak as by making of preflop range polarised we get to protect so much more of our postflop range.
So id have a more polorised Ax 3beting range 100bb deep and make it alot more fluid the deeper we get