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01-01-2013 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ready 2 win
Best of luck in 2013, cya in Berlin
Thanks man, you too

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Originally Posted by Dr Poker
After your 2012 I'd say 2013 is going to be a beast year for you!

I hope to hear some great stories from you.

Subbed mate. Goodluck!
I hope so, should be a good year. Will try keep it interesting and share some stories and so! Gl to you too.

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Originally Posted by Twistedd
Gl.
Thanks bud, you too!

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Originally Posted by Don Stefanello
Nice 7 stars i like it happy new year and all the best in it
Haha I like it too, wonder when I'll get over it. Logging in to the SNE status showing still feels pretty cool lol. Gl to you too, hopefully you'll have a nice year.

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Originally Posted by patg2
gl man
Thx bro, same to you.

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Originally Posted by Syker12
Gl lad, after reading through everything you have going on looks like your going to need it. I know your young but your never too young to burn yourself out. Dont put too much strain on yourself.

I maybe way off, but w/e glgl anyway!!
Hey man you have a very good point. I actually think my general goals this year are fairly reasonable and not too much work. I'm not aiming for a ridiculous number of hours or anything, and have a lot of travelling and relaxing planned throughout the year I definitely agree that it's possible to burn out from working too hard, but being a mostly lazy person don't think it'll be a problem for me haha. The 400K VPP in 50 day thing wasn't the best feeling, but even that wasn't that much work compared to what some do. I will try to focus on balance in terms of work/fun/relaxation etc, and try to put volume in earlier in the year so I have more room to fall back on for SNE later in the year rather than being behind pace etc. Gl to you too, hit me up on Skype sometime, been a while since we chatted!

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Originally Posted by StayShredded
sick!
Will definitely be following this thread?

Could you tell me something about your road to getting where you are now?
Like how long you have been playing and how you got to be a sicko
Hmm I guess I started playing early 2010 whilst still in high school and slowly moved up. Like a lot of people I just started at the bottom (2NL, $1 SNGs) and grinded up whilst getting better along the way. Read or posted on 2p2 a bit. If you check my lifetime threads and go to the back there's some pretty novice questions lol.

Even though my game is a lot stronger than it was at the time, I think getting some group coaching with brad2002tjs 180 stable helped quite a lot even though it was a group of like 10 people and only maybe 4-5 hours. I think I generally learn quite fast, especially if it isn't a very tough game to learn.

Eventually once I got to a reasonable/solid point (maybe like beating MSMTT, 50NL-100NL, MS SNGs) I started figuring out a lot of stuff through playing a lot, experience etc. Some things just come as an epiphany. Other than that I was fortunate enough to build a pretty sick network and I have a lot of friends in the poker community now that I can talk to about hands/spots.

Unfortunately the one thing I always kinda feel like I missed out on is the fact that since the NZ poker community is pretty small and I'm quite young, when I was first learning I probably didn't move as fast as I could have since I didn't have a real life poker friend in a similar situation skill/stake wise as me to talk strat with. Most sickos/successful players today will accredit some of their success to a poker buddy and I just didn't really have one.. Most of my school friends are too academic to wanna learn seriously.

Sorry tl;dr a little there

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Originally Posted by Sauron92
Not first but in! gl
Thanks, glgl

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Originally Posted by push4glory
u rather should play just cg
gl sicko
Thanks man, hope you have a great year in 2013, was fun playing with you in some spots!


Being lazy these few days and probably going to take another day or two off before starting again.. Haven't decided if I'll go for 50K VPP this month or not as I have a very busy mid-late January playing the Aussie Millions. Very excited! weee... Probably should, don't really wanna use one of the two allowances for SNE already in the first month.

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01-01-2013 , 10:33 PM
GLGL, congrats on SNE in 2012!

How have you found the switch from MTTs to grinding cash over the last year? I'm thinking about it down the road myself. What's the highest limit of fullring cash that you think the average midstakes MTT reg could beat - 100NL maybe? Just curious.
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01-02-2013 , 12:49 AM
GL this year mate. Sub'd

Gotta give you a big thanks for your DC vids, I got a lot from the "Top 0.56 percent series".

Cheers
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01-02-2013 , 01:47 AM
Get a girlfriend, loser!
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01-02-2013 , 01:47 AM
(In Thailand, you can buy one for less than your average hyper)
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01-02-2013 , 03:07 AM
I live in Auckland too, played quite a bit at skycity and love how loose the tables are! I will be taking poker a lot more serious this year so might see you at the HS tables sometime. Gl mate all the best
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01-02-2013 , 04:28 AM
GL David

you're the man.

subbed
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01-02-2013 , 06:03 AM
Gl bro subbed. Your 180 vids helped me a lot so all the best for this year.
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01-02-2013 , 06:55 AM
glgl crusher
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01-02-2013 , 06:57 AM
gl miss oracle
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01-02-2013 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by theginger45
GLGL, congrats on SNE in 2012!

How have you found the switch from MTTs to grinding cash over the last year? I'm thinking about it down the road myself. What's the highest limit of fullring cash that you think the average midstakes MTT reg could beat - 100NL maybe? Just curious.
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I always considered myself significantly better the average 180 (and later MTT) reg in general but especially postflop at the stakes I played so the jump was easier for me than it would be for most people. Part of the reason is because I had played a bit of cash (mostly 50-100NL) "earlier in my career" so that helped, and asking questions to some buddies like lissi helped (even though he isn't a cash player, he's just really sick at poker in general) and I guess I learnt/adjusted fairly fast. I still have a lot to learn and I want to improve. Fwiw I think the general adjustment from MTTs to cash in general isn't that tough because for most people they can just start really low and see how things go/move up fast etc. So someone who beats MSMTT could just start at 25NL. But most MTT players (see below) think they are better than they are - not directed at you, and jump into pretty high stakes relative to what their skill dictates and will do poorly.
I went into 500 straight away (gave it a go, ran decent at the start, wanted to make SNE, was willing to give up a little EV for VPPs as well as improving by playing with tougher players/games), so it was tough and I had some bad moments when downswing etc, but if I went into 50NL I would have crushed it straight away etc.

I feel quite bad answering this question because I'm very critical/harsh when it comes to MTT players skill, on average.. In short I think the average MTT player is pretty bad overall, even at mid and high stakes. Obviously there are (many) exceptions of guys who are really sick etc, but a tonne of the guys who win have just run way above expectation (albeit the competition in MTTs is also much weaker) and either don't realise or don't want to admit that the variance is so sick.

There are many reasons for this, MTT players tend to not need to work on their game as much (way weaker competition), and tend not to when they win/run good "because they don't need to", and tend not to when they lose "because obviously they are just running bad, since the variance in MTTs is so high" etc. In cash you just can't use variance as an excuse for losing to the same extent.

Honestly I think the average 200NL reg, which is considered "small-stakes" is significantly better than the average high stakes reg who plays stuff up to 109, 215s, 50rs and stuff and it's not very close. MS MTT is really soft and HSMTT is fairly soft whereas MS cash is ridiculously tough. I dunno I mean I think most people (both cash and MTT players) generally agree cash players are better at poker overall, and a cash player will adjust to MTTs much faster than the other way around.. I'd much, much rather put a mediocre 100nl reg into the big 109 than a mediocre MS player into 100NL etc.

Fwiw I still consider myself someone who plays MTTs so it's not likely I'm randomly hating on MTT players, I have a lot of friends who play MTTs primarily who I consider very good at poker and respect them a lot etc. Like a lot of people it just kinda bugs me to see a bunch of mediocre at best players bink the Million for 200K or w/e and suddenly call themselves a "MTT pro". The main thing is most people have huge egos and actually think they are good when they are running so good, rather than just acknowledging they have run good lol. Like someone who is good and crushes/wins all the money and has an ego is still a dick, but people who win and aren't good but think they are just tilt me I guess. You can call it jealously if you want or w/e.

Some of those clowns who just luck box MTTs with their massive egos jump into 500NL zoom and have no **** idea that they are amongst the biggest fish in the pool. I should stop tapping, and also emphasize there are definitely sickos who are exceptions to this (i.e. are +EV. guys for example busto_soon, wizo, munchen_hb, achen etc come to mind).

That's a bit of a tangent to your actual question I guess, so sorry about that. I think the average MS MTT player probably could beat 25NL full ring very slightly and probably lose slightly at 50NL full ring. Probably lower for 6 max. That being said it is about working hard. I'm not saying they don't have the potential to beat the game, but if I took 50 random winning MSMTT regs and put them into 50NL I think they would be a slight net loser at first. I would bet a lot against them at 100NL. Part of the reason however is that even the "good" or decent regs probably lack postflop (but may be good pre-flop, or better with shallower stacks, ICM, applying pressure deep etc - basically different skillsets).

Basically if you are interested in it, play some hands, see how it goes, post hands/ask questions you aren't sure about and improve. I'm very confident that like most things in poker, if you work hard and want to succeed you will do just fine. Fwiw you're welcome to send me hands/questions on Skype if you like, always happy to help. Gl, and sorry again for the rant, it's obviously not directed towards you and I'm again not hating on all MTT players as a whole.

I do realise this reply had a lot of negativity/hate in it or whatever, so sorry to readers for that. It isn't directed at any player personally.


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Originally Posted by Road2vegas
GL this year mate. Sub'd

Gotta give you a big thanks for your DC vids, I got a lot from the "Top 0.56 percent series".

Cheers
Gl this year to you as well, and thanks for the compliments about the videos!

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Get a girlfriend, loser!
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(In Thailand, you can buy one for less than your average hyper)
Lol, I don't wanna buy a girlfriend Also what kind of "girlfriend" can you buy for less than $150?! Dunno part of the problem is I'm too picky with girls (but also young, not the exactly sexiest dude ever etc blah blah)

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I live in Auckland too, played quite a bit at skycity and love how loose the tables are! I will be taking poker a lot more serious this year so might see you at the HS tables sometime. Gl mate all the best
I won't be old enough to play until July if you mean in the casino, but I'm sure I'll see you eventually. Gl and all the best to you too, always nice to meet another poker player from NZ.

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Originally Posted by BigPig
GL David

you're the man.

subbed
Haha thanks, you are too Hopefully will get the chance to catch up sometime.

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Gl bro subbed. Your 180 vids helped me a lot so all the best for this year.
Thanks man, appreciate the compliment and wishing you the best for this year too.

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glgl crusher
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gl miss oracle
Ty guys

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01-02-2013 , 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by OMGClayDol
Lol, I don't wanna buy a girlfriend Also what kind of "girlfriend" can you buy for less than $150?! Dunno part of the problem is I'm too picky with girls (but also young, not the exactly sexiest dude ever etc blah blah)
IN ALL THE WRONG ****ING WAYS

I will never get over that week. Your girl selection is just terrible.

That being said good luck or whatever
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01-02-2013 , 07:49 AM
hahaha, yea maybe my tastes are just screwed up. gave up on posting savers.
gl to you too. like portly, would be nice to catch up sometime.
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01-02-2013 , 08:04 AM
Thanks for the really detailed reply man, interesting read. I'm not thinking about it any time soon as I'm still pretty happy being backed for MTTs, but down the line where I've built up enough to put a solid roll together I can see myself going for grinding cash or going for SNE with a mixture of cash and SNGs like you have. The lower variance in cash really appeals to me, and I'm starting to find some of the theoretical aspects of cash way more interesting than MTTs too. I'll definitely hit you up on Skype sometime if I have any further questions or thoughts. Cheers and GL.
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01-02-2013 , 08:14 AM
You're welcome. I would really strongly advise playing at least some cash (zoom is nice and easy to play whenever you want) to get a feel for it, see how you like it, even if it's 10NL or whatever. Aiming for a significant amount of VPPs is a pretty big goal seperate to just winning decent money at cash, but obviously long term goals are nice too. There are numerous benefits (lower variance in general) - mostly the fact you can play anytime (traffic is always decent, especially at lower stakes, take breaks whenever you want etc (as opposed to MTTs you have to play certain times, only get 5 minutes every hour to break, have to play like 6hrs+ in a session for a reasonable schedule etc).

Gl and I'm sure I'll see you around Skype/2p2 throughout the year, so yeah again feel free to hit me up whether it's a hand or general concept question/advice.
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01-02-2013 , 08:20 AM
Sorry I should say it's specifically because the experience in the mean time/learning a bit on the side is going to be good for you if it's something you may potentially be interested in the future, even if you are focusing on MTTs atm.
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01-02-2013 , 08:22 AM
gl fish
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01-02-2013 , 08:30 AM
Gonna share a random story from real life.. Went to the beach today with a couple of friends and basically nearly drowned.. Like we went into the water and stood around the waves and stuff, was very fun. Everything was normal and repeating itself, a big wave would come every now and then and we'd jump or dodge it or swim under etc... I was well within reaching distance of the ground too but suddenly within a space of like 15 seconds two came really quickly and I was suddenly quite far away from everyone else.. Not a strong swimmer at all and tried to get back but couldn't, and at this point got a little worried because I wasn't even in full sight of the public (especially when waves came) and the waves were pretty big. Was getting a bit tired and slowly starting to struggle with breathing (would get like one second, then had to hold breath for a big wave and so on)...

Eventually I raised my hand and in a few minutes the lifeguards came with a boat and saved me.. Was a tiny bit dizzy from the experience (probably swallowed a little water, didn't breath regularly for a bit during it etc) but just glad it worked out ok. Was a little embarrassing with a bunch of randoms watching but whatever. During it I wasn't too panicked, in general I tried my best to stay calm (something you learn in primary school here, lol) as panicking makes breathing/floating harder, and also I was generally genuinely optimistic that I'd be ok eventually. Maybe a few minutes later and I would have started struggling and being more worried though.

I dunno it's so weird and in a way scary that this happened.. I feel it's really bad that I had to have such an experience to learn my lesson because I would have probably gone similarly far in a place with less people/no lifeguards and to put it bluntly could have just drowned. My general personality and mindset does mean I don't make a huge deal out of these things and whilst I am obviously grateful it was fine, and thankful to the lifeguards etc I guess I'll just move on. Apparently I was the 8th they saved today (near the end of the day, 5PM or something) I think NZ is one of the worst places in terms of drowning per capita and a few beaches including the one I was at in particular are quite dangerous.

It seems pretty dumb and foolish of me but I can't even call myself a fish
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because they can swim..

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01-02-2013 , 08:42 AM
Wow, glad you are ok....
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01-02-2013 , 10:13 AM
Did the lifeguards tell you why it happened?

Sounds like you got caught in a rip and taken out very quickly? Trying to swim back in the same way you got taken out is very hard, so you're meant to swim parallel to the shore until you are out of the rip. Once out, swim perpendicular to the shore with the waves back in to safety.
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01-02-2013 , 10:52 AM
I cant get over how you are 19 and SNE, so sick.

Also does your mum know how much $ your making?
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01-02-2013 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by OMGClayDol
You're welcome. I would really strongly advise playing at least some cash (zoom is nice and easy to play whenever you want) to get a feel for it, see how you like it, even if it's 10NL or whatever. Aiming for a significant amount of VPPs is a pretty big goal seperate to just winning decent money at cash, but obviously long term goals are nice too. There are numerous benefits (lower variance in general) - mostly the fact you can play anytime (traffic is always decent, especially at lower stakes, take breaks whenever you want etc (as opposed to MTTs you have to play certain times, only get 5 minutes every hour to break, have to play like 6hrs+ in a session for a reasonable schedule etc).

Gl and I'm sure I'll see you around Skype/2p2 throughout the year, so yeah again feel free to hit me up whether it's a hand or general concept question/advice.
Thanks man, appreciate it. I actually did start out in cash - back in 2009/10 when I was entirely busto and used to just deposit $10 and see what I could do with it, lol - and most of my early poker learning was done in the Micro Stakes NL forum, so hopefully the transition wouldn't be too bumpy. I'll see where I'm at come the end of 2013 and make some decisions from there.

EDIT: And, uh, good job on not dying! I am in the same boat (continuing the ironic punning) when it comes to not being able to swim very well, and by that I mean I would also have been rescued by a boat in a similar situation.
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01-02-2013 , 12:00 PM
I owe a lot to you thanks to your 180 man series who knows where I would have been without them (I almost went busto then watched your series and grinded 2$ 180 mans for about a month to bankroll build) and then I made the switch to Cash games.

Anyways just want to wish you the best of luck and hope you have a great 2013.
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01-02-2013 , 12:02 PM
GL subbed!
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01-04-2013 , 05:55 AM
I'm so bored of the beach. I've lived within ~15 mins of one all my life... I've had sort of that same thing happen to me before too. It was then I vowed that I'd stay inside all day where I'd be safe.

#****saltwater #yolo
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