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01-04-2013 , 05:54 PM
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Also, why are there so many posts concerned with OP going down a mental health black hole? I mean he can always stop, eh? Not like every guy that fails after setting an incredibly hard goal immediately offs himself.

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01-04-2013 , 06:11 PM
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This isn't 'sacrificing his social life' , its complete isolation under immense stress, pressure and frustration. For a full calendar year. It's not like he just has to hang out inside all day and not socialize. Even that would be extremely unhealthy. This is going to drastically affect him longterm mentally, it is a terrible idea and should obv just be done on a smaller scale for less money while still having some free time and to socialize. I am also forgetting that he said he has zero friends though, tough to imagine why.
This. It's not like his options are to make 500k doing this or 0k having a life. He could go with a much more balanced approach, make 200-300k, while also trying to improve his life. It seems to me he's just going way overboard with this and hoping this will be some magical formula to making him happy when he's finished despite his other problems?

Also, I don't think you can compare 60-80 hour work weeks playing poker vs other jobs like lawyer/banker/doctor because those don't require the continuous mental strain that poker does. In those jobs, you can take breaks, talk to your co workers, you have meetings with other people... you can just sit at your desk and stare into space for 5-10 minutes when you need to. Poker obviously allows for none of that. 60 hours in a week of poker is exactly 60 hours of work, of your brain working as hard as it can. And I don't know how others feel, but after 4-5 hours of poker, even after I stop playing, my brain can't think of anything else for at least the next hour. It's still in poker mode and needs time to "decompress". It's not like you just flip a switch when you finish playing and can now go enjoy the rest of your day. You have to think about how much of your life you want poker to consume and what amount will still allow you to enjoy happiness in other areas, otherwise whatever money you've made from poker is pointless.
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01-04-2013 , 06:27 PM
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This. Seems like chillin was merely pointing out that losing pre rb while putting in the gears would be unfavourable for all parties. Moreover it's stupid to expect otherwise. Also, it seems like chilin has had one of the best years of his life

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01-04-2013 , 09:17 PM
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This. Seems like chillin was merely pointing out that losing pre rb while putting in the gears would be unfavourable for all parties. Moreover it's stupid to expect otherwise. Also, it seems like chilin has had one of the best years of his life
I'm sure Alex his plan is to get 8 million VPPs and break even post RB doing so, he really wants to do that!

chillin probably didn't want to troll, but it was a pretty silly post.
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01-04-2013 , 09:19 PM
come on dude we need an update at least every 10 towels.
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01-04-2013 , 09:32 PM
Lol at the people suggesting it's not worth a year of Alex's time. You think all the people you respect, all the athletes and actors and musicians and writers and business people and poker players and basically anyone in the world who's a high achiever in their field didn't sacrifice their social life in order to achieve success? You think they didn't make some seemingly insane decisions and sacrifice their present happiness and wellbeing for the sake of their future potential? Come on.

Alex has already said that he's doing this so that he can go forward and work on the company he's involved with and spend less time on poker. It's pretty obvious that he's doing this because a) he wants to achieve success in poker and b) he wants the money that comes with it, so that he doesn't have to go get a job and can dedicate time to doing what he enjoys.

Whatever field you're in, if there's nothing you'd give up a year of your social life for, you're just never really going to achieve that much. The major factor separating successes from failures is drive, and Alex clearly has it. I think you gotta respect that to a huge degree if you're a poker player.
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01-04-2013 , 09:40 PM
If I think I could mentally do this and had the skill to do so I would.

At 22 it would give me a lot of flexibility in my future years assuming it didnt drive me over the edge...
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01-04-2013 , 09:46 PM
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Lol at the people suggesting it's not worth a year of Alex's time. You think all the people you respect, all the athletes and actors and musicians and writers and business people and poker players and basically anyone in the world who's a high achiever in their field didn't sacrifice their social life in order to achieve success? You think they didn't make some seemingly insane decisions and sacrifice their present happiness and wellbeing for the sake of their future potential? Come on.

Alex has already said that he's doing this so that he can go forward and work on the company he's involved with and spend less time on poker. It's pretty obvious that he's doing this because a) he wants to achieve success in poker and b) he wants the money that comes with it, so that he doesn't have to go get a job and can dedicate time to doing what he enjoys.

Whatever field you're in, if there's nothing you'd give up a year of your social life for, you're just never really going to achieve that much. The major factor separating successes from failures is drive, and Alex clearly has it. I think you gotta respect that to a huge degree if you're a poker player.
Sacrificing your social lie completely to this extent is clearly beyond unhealthy. Plus the other types of professionals you listed who sacrifice their social life for great success are around people in a healthy environment whilst trying to do so, not cooped up in a room 24/7 clicking buttons and staring at a screen.

I still appreciate the reasons for wanting to do this, but overall I'm sure it will have a detrimental affect on Alex's life. Can't wait to see how this unfolds. I predict drama.

Massive respect to you Alex for attempting something so ****ing crazy and best of luck.
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01-04-2013 , 10:19 PM
This thread is now exactly what i didnt want it to be, 1000 people will come in and say what they think now about that specific point, and it will go on and on and on and like someone said 400 posts and 4 from OP, GOAT thread ever became WOAT
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01-04-2013 , 10:28 PM
One of the craziest if not the craziest things ever attempted in the history of online poker. It sounds to me like Alex is the perfect type of person to attempt this type of challenge. If he dosent already have much of social life, it's not like he's just going to go out and get one. This is the poker goals and challenges thread, and this is the ultimate one. What he's doing may be very unhealthy but if he is able to complete his goal I would have to imagine he would come out feeling like a better and happier person. Even if he isn't, I am sure that he will learn a ton from the experience. Best of luck to you Alex.
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01-04-2013 , 10:28 PM
Report post mods will clean it up
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01-04-2013 , 10:34 PM
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Report post mods will clean it up
Yeah think Alex should request that this is done .
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01-05-2013 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by theginger45
Lol at the people suggesting it's not worth a year of Alex's time. You think all the people you respect, all the athletes and actors and musicians and writers and business people and poker players and basically anyone in the world who's a high achiever in their field didn't sacrifice their social life in order to achieve success? You think they didn't make some seemingly insane decisions and sacrifice their present happiness and wellbeing for the sake of their future potential? Come on.

Alex has already said that he's doing this so that he can go forward and work on the company he's involved with and spend less time on poker. It's pretty obvious that he's doing this because a) he wants to achieve success in poker and b) he wants the money that comes with it, so that he doesn't have to go get a job and can dedicate time to doing what he enjoys.

Whatever field you're in, if there's nothing you'd give up a year of your social life for, you're just never really going to achieve that much. The major factor separating successes from failures is drive, and Alex clearly has it. I think you gotta respect that to a huge degree if you're a poker player.
I think you're underestimating just how much time is needed to make 8m vpps. You realize the current record is less than 4m? This is not "sacrificing your social life a little", this is sacrificing mental health to accomplish this. I find it highly unlikely that anyone could be happy doing this. As for your assertion that you need to sacrifice having a balanced life to become highly successful in any field, I mean come on that's ridiculous. You're saying these successful people don't have families? They don't spend time doing other things besides their jobs? Please point out these people to me, because I've never heard of this.

I recognize that OP has other goals besides poker, but how is this the best way to go about accomplishing them? Could he not go at a more reasonable pace and reach the same monetary goal in 18-24 months? He could spend the extra time working on this project along the way.
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01-05-2013 , 01:05 AM
inb4 someone makes 10x SNE challenge in january 2014
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01-05-2013 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Don Stefanello
This thread is now exactly what i didnt want it to be, 1000 people will come in and say what they think now about that specific point, and it will go on and on and on and like someone said 400 posts and 4 from OP, GOAT thread ever became WOAT
actually this, leave gay judgements and clueless broscience to other threads. leave this thread for sweating and results
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01-05-2013 , 04:21 AM
I think have fun to see some graph of you to see what you do with swings/
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01-05-2013 , 05:43 AM
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Lol at the people suggesting it's not worth a year of Alex's time. You think all the people you respect, all the athletes and actors and musicians and writers and business people and poker players and basically anyone in the world who's a high achiever in their field didn't sacrifice their social life in order to achieve success? You think they didn't make some seemingly insane decisions and sacrifice their present happiness and wellbeing for the sake of their future potential? Come on.

Alex has already said that he's doing this so that he can go forward and work on the company he's involved with and spend less time on poker. It's pretty obvious that he's doing this because a) he wants to achieve success in poker and b) he wants the money that comes with it, so that he doesn't have to go get a job and can dedicate time to doing what he enjoys.

Whatever field you're in, if there's nothing you'd give up a year of your social life for, you're just never really going to achieve that much. The major factor separating successes from failures is drive, and Alex clearly has it. I think you gotta respect that to a huge degree if you're a poker player.
+1
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01-05-2013 , 06:06 AM
op,

good luck ...

but ...

i think i would bet on anyone going crazy and losing most/all of their money before accomplishing this.

personally, i can barely get away with playing 12 profitably for too long. at 16 i start to get light headed after just 45 minutes. doing it for hours on end, days on end, i cant imagine what kind of stress that would put on my mind and body.

i guess it's different playing cash vs sng's since u have simpler decisions and play mostly by a chart i assume?

...everybody saying they would give up their social life to accomplish this ... u guys have no idea. giving up a social life here is not the hard part, the hard part is keeping it together during the rough stretches when things aren't going your way and you have to keep playing in order to keep pace. add to that not talking to anybody and not having any diversity in your life to get your mind off of it when things aren't going well.

even the best players in the world question themselves during their downswings.

good luck tho op
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01-05-2013 , 06:32 AM
Daaaaaamnnnnn

OP is a beast, I can tell it in his 2nd post of the thread.
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01-05-2013 , 06:48 AM
I relize ths is an immense challange but can someone kindly put down in laymans terms what he has to do,, i.e
x number of games , buy-in - hours per day played and number fo days played please coz my head is gonna explode tryng to work it out , thanks.

Very best of luck alex .
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01-05-2013 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by gaz3325
I relize ths is an immense challange but can someone kindly put down in laymans terms what he has to do,, i.e
x number of games , buy-in - hours per day played and number fo days played please coz my head is gonna explode tryng to work it out , thanks.

Very best of luck alex .
There is a calculator in windows, should be fairly easy and your head wouldnt explode working it out on it instead of thinking about it
Dont be lazy.
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01-05-2013 , 08:02 AM
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I think you're underestimating just how much time is needed to make 8m vpps. You realize the current record is less than 4m? This is not "sacrificing your social life a little", this is sacrificing mental health to accomplish this. I find it highly unlikely that anyone could be happy doing this. As for your assertion that you need to sacrifice having a balanced life to become highly successful in any field, I mean come on that's ridiculous. You're saying these successful people don't have families? They don't spend time doing other things besides their jobs? Please point out these people to me, because I've never heard of this.

I recognize that OP has other goals besides poker, but how is this the best way to go about accomplishing them? Could he not go at a more reasonable pace and reach the same monetary goal in 18-24 months? He could spend the extra time working on this project along the way.
I think you're over-dramatising it, frankly. Or at least, over-dramatising the social aspect. There are plenty of people who spend long periods in isolation - think of astronauts or whatever. It's incredibly tough, but they don't all go insane or kill themselves halfway through. Not to mention, people can be happy - or at least tolerate - all kinds of conditions, the bolded is a ludicrous thing to say.

I actually think the more dangerous part is the stress placed on Alex's brain and body by the constant 50-tabling and long sessions. Would think that would be infinitely more dangerous to his health than a lack of social life.

Anyhow, I don't wanna derail, so I'll stop posting ITT for a while. GL Alex!
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01-05-2013 , 08:02 AM
24242 vpp per day at 330 days
19.31vpp 100
35.64vpp 200

35.64x400=14256vpp (200)

19.31x540=10427vpp (100)
10427+14256=24683 vpp

so he has to play this way 940games/day


500x35.64= 17820 vpp (200)
360x19.31= 6951 vpp (100)

17820+6951= 24.771 vpp

this way 860games/day

I don't know how to do how many vpp he earns/ hour cause he can play 20 up to 50 tables so that is hard to work out imo

REALLY REALLY HARD WORK !!
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01-05-2013 , 08:08 AM
I think ppl need to stop talking about will OP lose his sanity or what not, it is his decision so only thing we as community can do is support him in his efforts even if he fails he deserves props for trying. I wish you all the best and let us see some graphs
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01-05-2013 , 08:46 AM
so do we get to see any results graphs ITT?
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