500

will bet it at 1.5 : 1, so my 750 to your 500.

If you bet more, i will possibly give slightly better odds.


will need an escrow (can send to me on stars/ftp/MB) and we are good.

I'm going to try to keep this part as short as possible, but there was a lot more I could say. (Maybe Gramps was right.)

Please stop trying to hustle people here into sucker bets. First you started with me which kind of irked me a bit but I let it go, but this is the second time now in this thread. It's not my business in other threads so I never said anything when this behavior spilled over into other threads, and obviously I can't control what you post/say here. However, I think its poor conduct to do this basically.

You phrased it as "just wanting to gamble" or "just want a sweat" but this is different from betting on eg. a sporting event, where the posted lines are more or less firm and fair. Here, you have inside knowledge that makes your bets basically a lock, so it's basically exploitative and you are using this thread as a vector to soak other people for money.


Making SNE first has many challenges. I am less experienced of a player than MO, requiring me to play and study, instead of just play. I can't play sats which often pay more rake per hour. MO is a stronger player so he prefers $200s whereas I feel my winrate at $100s and $200s post-rb are very close together (which means I often would play $100s [or even $60s too] instead of $200s whenever I feel the situation warrants it as being best for my $/hr.) These are all challenges that hopefully will erode in time.

But most importantly, to really go after first SNE requires me to play at a pace I am not comfortable with in order to make up for these disadvantages. For example, even in just the race to SN, I played probably 30% more SNGs than MO. I would rather play "slow and steady" making $ instead of vpp. I am still playing every day, and plan to play the pace that I feel comfortable and happy with, and that is providing me the most stable and largest annual income, and lets me grow as both an individual and poker player.

From talking to MO, I believe I am the only player with an EVroi comparable to his in 200s. I am humbled that people compare me to the current best player that plays SNGs, but I feel it is unfair to diminish what I do by such a comparison. I want to discourage new regulars from taking up the game -- hypers are already a reg-laden game (and if higher hypers are a future reality, this will become an even bigger issue.) Poker is an inefficient market, and therefore obfuscating just how long it takes to study hypers to proficiency and how much you can make an hour at them probably actually does stymie market forces.

That being said, the SNE chase is still a reality, but it's just one chapter of a larger story. I would not be disappointed if MO won as I consider him a friend and the prize is more fitting to him anyways (he can better utilize the 2x vpp, and he doesn't appear on a playing card yet.) I think in terms of monetary value of the prize, both of us do not care about that. The value of the prize is the recognition of our achievements, and that will continue past January and come many times throughout the year as things develop.

I know MO wants to get SNE first. I know he can play satties which will give him better VPP per hour. No bet is ever a lock. I am laying odds which tells people that i think MO is a favorite.

I am offering bets in this thread cause its where most people who would like to bet on it are. All bets are sweats, as anything can happen. Dont call my ethics out again please. I have done nothing shady or nothing wrong with the bets i have offered.

Yeah isn't Zima staking mouldy or somehow connected to him anyway? If MO really wants to go for it, he's basically locked to win unless AWice starts playing sattys too. And if his backer/friend/whatever is willing to bet significant amount on it, it'd probably mean MO made sure he's the first SNE.

I decided not to post this first because it's not my place to be tapping the glass if some people want to take -ev bets, but if you're posting it here I guess you're open for criticism (and I really have no clue what I'm talking about, so why would anybody listen to me rather than make up their own mind?)

and by all means, say what you want to say. or, hit me up on skype and let me know there. (directed at awice)

this is what my inside info is i guess


MouldyOnions
1/11/13 7:19 PM
me and awice been talking for a while
1/11/13 7:20 PM
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he knows he cant compete
Zima
1/11/13 7:20 PM
true

Me and mouldy than talk about some other stuff, and later on awice said to mouldy he "might" drop the volume some. but who really knows?


as for the post above this one...I stake mouldy (with someone else). so, yes, i do have a financial interest in all of this. I thought it was relatively well known that i have action on mouldy, but maybe not (?). Mouldy is very motivated to get SNE first, but alex has been keeping up with him (actually ahead of him) the whole year.

"And if his backer/friend/whatever is willing to bet significant amount on it, it'd probably mean MO made sure he's the first SNE." I was trying to get like 2-3k in action. not a lot of money in terms of MO's grind this year. wouldnt change 1 thing in terms of MOs grind at all. If i bet like 100k on it, than yeah, ok.


wont derail the thread anymore though. no action on any bets! guess i will have to just live with having all of mouldy's action every day. no "extra sweat", sigh.


gl the rest of the year awice.

Lol, yeah he's ahead of him, but you know as well as awice as well as anybody that MO's vpp/hr will be unmatchable during big tourney series like tcoop/wcoop w/e. It's like you're consciously omitting this stuff to make the other side of your bet look better to me, I'm not surprised u got called out because of it.

Mouldy has like 100k satties on his sharkscope graph. His main game is satties. There is only 1 _coop going on that will effect this bet.

all the info about there being tcoop and MO playing satties is all out there. its not like i should lay out why/why not its a good bet or not. people gotta do some research.

havent you already ran good enough at tcoops zima? =)

swings

wonder how much you edited. gl to all parties, swings sounds about right.

yes

and I agree that betting with one of the stakers of two players involved is maybe not a lock, but atleast a disadvantage in the long run because of the asymmetric information. It is really not , just a sweat for fun.

thread turning in to a hs hypers needleathon

time to put on the popcorn, roll up a fat one, sit back and enjoy

lol, when i said "lets bet for a sweat" it was directed right at awice early in the thread and just in fun.

you are the best Meca.

thought u were done derailing his thread

I might take my 50 to ur 75 tho, allthough I hope to win myself. 55vpp and counting

Nice edits hus'ler

Any1 thinking bout bettin pm me n I'll tell u wat he originally wrote

Srsly hope mouldy has epic downswing now coz of how c*nty those rootin for him r bein.

GL op

How exactly am I an idiot? I literally stated a fact ITT, and that's all.

I talk to both Awice and Mouldyonions a decent bit and I support them both, just been giving Awice a hard time because he's hidden stats everywhere and not posting graphs as often as I want, while MO's posts a graph almost every day

Gl this weekend Alex

ur fat.

DUCY how I can still look like an idiot when stating facts?

Also ur teammouldy for life twitter bs clearly implies that u are not rooting for both. TBH i dont care who wins, I follow both, but dont say something coool and then dont back it up 3 seconds later

There's zero need for regularly graphs on such a high variance game especially with a longer term goal such as this. And Jdawg, you're giving him a hard time because he isn't doing what you want, many people would regard that as being a dickhead and the opposite of being supportive.

Gl Awice

This. As much as both you and zima might be cool otherwise, the general sentiment/emotion I've gotten from all ur posts in this thread has been hostile(for lack of a better word) towards AWice and its quite obvious even if you're trying to hide it between the lines.

I root for both, but have more of an interest in mouldy as I've known him much longer and we're both backed by the same guy

With that said, I will try to keep any talk of mouldy out of this thread from now on, glglgl Alex

And I thought this might be a fun thread to read, silly me.

where?

mouldyonions.com

1. Moudly 340k
2. Awice 332k

Moudly takes the lead but still neck and neck. Looks like both are going to fall just short of SNE in a month but still a chance this could happen...