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01-05-2013 , 10:56 PM
be careful- i've been looking at the SS graphs of serkules, skaiwalkurrr, etc and they don't seem to have downswings like that (as opposed to long breakeven stretches)

i would evaluate/drop down or switch to cash and grind it out there. you are better off learning to play "actual" poker instead of being a rakeback pro tied to variance.

gl sir.
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01-05-2013 , 11:02 PM
Yes, Awice doesn't know how to play 'actual' poker. He's totally screwed.
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01-05-2013 , 11:09 PM
i lold
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01-05-2013 , 11:24 PM
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GL OP, should be a great thread to rail for 9 more days until you go broke.
FYP
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01-05-2013 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bazaro
be careful- i've been looking at the SS graphs of serkules, skaiwalkurrr, etc and they don't seem to have downswings like that (as opposed to long breakeven stretches)

i would evaluate/drop down or switch to cash and grind it out there. you are better off learning to play "actual" poker instead of being a rakeback pro tied to variance.

gl sir.
yeah serk and skai play a different form of poker

I would evalute simple facts before posting
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01-05-2013 , 11:37 PM
20-30k swings will be pretty common for the 200s.


FPPs though
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01-05-2013 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bazaro
be careful- i've been looking at the SS graphs of serkules, skaiwalkurrr, etc and they don't seem to have downswings like that (as opposed to long breakeven stretches)

i would evaluate/drop down or switch to cash and grind it out there. you are better off learning to play "actual" poker instead of being a rakeback pro tied to variance.

gl sir.
hahaha
maybe you could coach him?
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01-05-2013 , 11:46 PM
should probably head to 10NL cash and start from there Awice
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01-06-2013 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by STJEAN81
This isn't 'sacrificing his social life' , its complete isolation under immense stress, pressure and frustration. For a full calendar year. It's not like he just has to hang out inside all day and not socialize. Even that would be extremely unhealthy. This is going to drastically affect him longterm mentally, it is a terrible idea and should obv just be done on a smaller scale for less money while still having some free time and to socialize. I am also forgetting that he said he has zero friends though, tough to imagine why.
so much this. i had a lockdown wtf-am-i-doing-with-my-life year in my mid 20s too, completely devoted myself to poker and turned 1k roll into playing HSNL by the end of the year. i get the spirit of what awice wants to do, shut out the world and make something of himself, wanting to make up for past laziness and use poker as the catalyst for the future pursuits etc. i was probably immersed in poker 80 hours a week that year between playing online, playing live (found that helped a lot to change it up and add a bit of social aspect) and reading/talking about poker. but it's so important to approach these things organically, playing only when you feel like it (even if you feel like it very often), genuinely learning and honing your craft, and basically just all around treating the game with respect.

this is just like trying to whore yourself out as a bot and deny the fact that you're human and your brain suffers in performance when under immense strain, pressure, and lack of enthusiasm towards the task it's performing. you're reprogamming yourself into a ****ty person and a ****ty poker player. you'd be so much better off with a goal like winning money for the year pre-RB and still getting 2-3 x SNE, or something along those lines. it's so important to respect yourself, respect what you're doing (rather than thinking of it as a cheap whore you're trying to exploit) and still have energy left to have some small semblance of freedom and a non-poker life. your performance is gonna suffer, you have a pretty significant risk of ruin, and even if you "succeed" and make the 8x you won't profit anywhere near the 1m, and you will be so alienated and dead inside by the end.
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01-06-2013 , 02:19 AM
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01-06-2013 , 05:09 AM
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so much this. i had a lockdown wtf-am-i-doing-with-my-life year in my mid 20s too, completely devoted myself to poker and turned 1k roll into playing HSNL by the end of the year. i get the spirit of what awice wants to do, shut out the world and make something of himself, wanting to make up for past laziness and use poker as the catalyst for the future pursuits etc. i was probably immersed in poker 80 hours a week that year between playing online, playing live (found that helped a lot to change it up and add a bit of social aspect) and reading/talking about poker. but it's so important to approach these things organically, playing only when you feel like it (even if you feel like it very often), genuinely learning and honing your craft, and basically just all around treating the game with respect.

this is just like trying to whore yourself out as a bot and deny the fact that you're human and your brain suffers in performance when under immense strain, pressure, and lack of enthusiasm towards the task it's performing. you're reprogamming yourself into a ****ty person and a ****ty poker player. you'd be so much better off with a goal like winning money for the year pre-RB and still getting 2-3 x SNE, or something along those lines. it's so important to respect yourself, respect what you're doing (rather than thinking of it as a cheap whore you're trying to exploit) and still have energy left to have some small semblance of freedom and a non-poker life. your performance is gonna suffer, you have a pretty significant risk of ruin, and even if you "succeed" and make the 8x you won't profit anywhere near the 1m, and you will be so alienated and dead inside by the end.
QFT
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01-06-2013 , 05:38 AM
humans adapt, thats what we do.
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01-06-2013 , 05:49 AM
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humans adapt, thats what we do.
yeah this.

its really person dependant, i cant see any reason why a guy with no friends doesnt sacrifice a year to make $1m as long as he uses the money after to actually get a life.
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01-06-2013 , 06:05 AM
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yeah this.

its really person dependant, i cant see any reason why a guy with no friends doesnt sacrifice a year to make $1m as long as he uses the money after to actually get a life.
Did you even read Seabeasts post? He takes all that time to come up with a really good post and that's one of the first responses, full of misinterpretation and a lack of reading comprehension.
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01-06-2013 , 06:09 AM
I agree with SEABEAST in general. I think there are diminishing returns to this type of challenge, especially for a very advanced poker mind like AWice that could pound out 2-3m VPP easy, and spend the rest of his time studying to get even better.

If you had to pick between 0 VPP or this challenge sure take this at the cost of some health. But there seems to be a middle ground.

Anyways regardless of that this is certainly the sickest challenge ever attempted on 2+2. I've been a fan of yours for a really long time, after seeing that thread where you helped Brian for free (that's just the spirit of 2+2 right there in the best way for me) and all of your amazing theory posts.

Good luck with this.
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01-06-2013 , 06:27 AM
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Did you even read Seabeasts post? He takes all that time to come up with a really good post and that's one of the first responses, full of misinterpretation and a lack of reading comprehension.
lol what? hes said basically what has been said throguhout the thread, its more of a homage to recent comments than something new...

perhaps you could re-read the posts then you mgiht be able to understand what each person is saying.

if you need some help, ill define some words for you.
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01-06-2013 , 07:54 AM
Essentially Seabeast said "You may want to re-consider, the stress related to complete isolation of a whole year is a lot more serious than you or others might expect it to be" (which I absolutely agree with).
Your response to this, agreeing with Kirbynators post, was "He'll find a way, his body will adapt, surely won't be that tough for a whole million!". Seabeast even pointed out that, given the large amount of games AWice will have to put in, it'll be very hard to not lose pre-RB, therefore setting his expectation for the year significantly under $1M.

For now I'm doing just fine with the english language, but if I ever find myself struggling with it I'll get back to you. Thanks for the offer.
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01-06-2013 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by BakinC00kies
Essentially Seabeast said "You may want to re-consider, the stress related to complete isolation of a whole year is a lot more serious than you or others might expect it to be" (which I absolutely agree with).
Your response to this, agreeing with Kirbynators post, was "He'll find a way, his body will adapt, surely won't be that tough for a whole million!". Seabeast even pointed out that, given the large amount of games AWice will have to put in, it'll be very hard to not lose pre-RB, therefore setting his expectation for the year significantly under $1M.

For now I'm doing just fine with the english language, but if I ever find myself struggling with it I'll get back to you. Thanks for the offer.
right and tonnes of ppl have said what seabeast said, including myself.

mine and kirbys post didnt say this at all, it simply said it can be done, alex can adapt.

i dont see how your reading into one person saying something and someone else offering a different view so much.
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01-06-2013 , 08:03 AM
Alright, it is safe to say that I disagree with your and most other peoples view on this matter.
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01-06-2013 , 08:25 AM
Wow ur a legend man, glgl deffo subbed
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01-06-2013 , 08:42 AM
Why do people keep acting like this will turn him into some robot grinding for a million hours a day and that he will go crazy? He's already stated that the average time spent playing will be between 8-10 hours a day. Is that a super tough 8-10 hours? Sure. But it's not astronomical. The sanity risks will come with swings involved, not with the time spent time grinding, and that's indicative of hypers in general, not just this challenge. And he could absolutely have a social life while doing this if he wanted to, he just doesn't have one and doesn't want one.
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01-06-2013 , 08:51 AM
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Why do people keep acting like this will turn him into some robot grinding for a million hours a day and that he will go crazy? He's already stated that the average time spent playing will be between 8-10 hours a day. Is that a super tough 8-10 hours? Sure. But it's not astronomical. The sanity risks will come with swings involved, not with the time spent time grinding, and that's indicative of hypers in general, not just this challenge. And he could absolutely have a social life while doing this if he wanted to, he just doesn't have one and doesn't want one.
Agreed. Also, it's not like he's committing himself to something that he can't get out of - six months in, if it's affecting his health or mental well-being, or if he just feels he can't keep going, or whatever, he can just... stop? Certainly don't believe OP is stupid enough to kill himself just because he started a thread on 2+2 and has a bunch of rail-birds egging him on.

GL Alex.
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01-06-2013 , 10:13 AM
Which is why not taking a bunch of prop-bets on this seems like a really, really good choice and imo shows some awareness of how stressful this has the potential of being on its own.

Forgot if I already posted in here, I think I might have, but I'm definitely in the "go op" camp, would be really cool to see him/you make it.
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01-06-2013 , 10:16 AM
Hey man, GL with this! Really!

With regards to the "results & graphs" debate itt... what about EV graphs instead.
Or would that be worse?
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01-06-2013 , 10:19 AM
A lot of illiterate posters in this thread
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