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07-02-2021 , 08:34 AM
Hello. I'll give you my humble opinion, all right?

Some people here said that you should deviate from GTO because population on your stake don't have a balanced range, etc.

Well, I respectfully disagree.

In my humble opinion, you should think about deviating only when you're already very good and want to have a bigger winrate than you already have. I don't think deviations should be done in order to transform a losing player into a winning player. If you're a losing player on microstakes, you probably have a lot of leaks from the theory point of view.

So, in my humble opinion, you should try your best to study and to play more theory. You're not losing because you're doing correct GTO decisions against unbalanced players on the river. If you're losing (and considering it's not just variance), it's because you're NOT playing correct GTO decisions on other parts of the game three.

Calling on the river on the QT hand, for example, is not the reason why you're not winning.

Last edited by balanced; 07-02-2021 at 08:51 AM.
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07-02-2021 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by wannabe2700



These hands are the real examples of why you're not winning too much:

First hand:

Flop: Ok.
Turn: Wrong. You should check back. If you bet (wrong) and villain x/r, you should call in some frequency and fold in some frequency. As his x/r was smaller than my sim, you can call more often.
River: Fold. It's wrong to raise. Even calling is very close. For example: in my sim, villain should jam or check here, and we have to fold against a jam.

Second hand:

Preflop: Small frequency call. If you call all the time, you're calling too much.
Flop: Wrong. You should just call.

Last edited by balanced; 07-02-2021 at 09:12 AM.
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07-02-2021 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by balanced
Hello. I'll give you my humble opinion, all right?

Some people here said that you should deviate from GTO because population on your stake don't have a balanced range, etc.

Well, I respectfully disagree.

In my humble opinion, you should think about deviating only when you're already very good and want to have a bigger winrate than you already have. I don't think deviations should be done in order to transform a losing player into a winning player. If you're a losing player on microstakes, you probably have a lot of leaks from the theory point of view.

So, in my humble opinion, you should try your best to study and to play more theory. You're not losing because you're doing correct GTO decisions against unbalanced players on the river. If you're losing (and considering it's not just variance), it's because you're NOT playing correct GTO decisions on other parts of the game three.

Calling on the river on the QT hand, for example, is not the reason why you're not winning.

You don't have to be good to understand population tendencies and know the majority of micro stakes players have ranges that are heavily weighted towards value when they bet river.
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07-02-2021 , 09:19 AM
I'm sorry for floading, but one last thing about the AQ hand: on the turn, this is clear an overbet spot. So, betting is wrong and the sizing is also wrong (from the theory point of view). These are examples of what I was talking about.

Best regards, mate.
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07-02-2021 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
You don't have to be good to understand population tendencies and know the majority of micro stakes players have ranges that are heavily weighted towards value when they bet river.
I agree. That was not my point, though.

Last edited by balanced; 07-02-2021 at 09:28 AM.
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07-03-2021 , 01:12 PM
Thanks for all the responses. It's always tough for poker players to help each other, when it often just means more regs to the already reg filled pool, so I appreciate your sacrifice.

Kalthorr hurt my feelings when he said you only need to know preflop ranges to beat NL 100.



Another beginner mistake. Rake matters. Villain played the river like gto but unfortunately he's optimal play was ruined by a patzer. I should have done the same and donk shoved.
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07-03-2021 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ian_944
You've had a good insight here: you haven't solved how to approach the game. Maybe consider setting a goal around that point for July?

That's maybe too high level, but you can make it more tangible like "write down 3 population tendencies and my counter strategy"

Personally, I think that'd be a better use of your time than trying to clock in a 100k hands.

Ian
If I play 100k hands my chances of finding those population tendencies goes up. I am still lacking a lot in experience.


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Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH
It´s not rocket science how to figure out population tendencies and leaks. No disrespect intended here, but you seem to be a mediocre reg at this moment. Your leaks are probably close to the other regs leaks (including myself lol). So, if it´s hard for you to find a certain bluff on a certain river spot, it should be hard for them too to do the same.
I'm a mediocre reg only if they are losing too. To me reg should mean at least a b/e player. You're right there are many spots where it's hard to have natural bluffs, but I have bluffed with some random hands just because rng told me to do it...
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Originally Posted by True Grit
Perceive everyone to be a nit at 10z until you have reason to believe otherwise, then make notes.

Using GTO ( charts/solvers ) as a general learning tool is good but the main problem is people aren't playing balanced ranges at 10z. If people are only 3betting half of the hands in a certain spot that means your calling range has to adjust too.

The goal at a specific micro poole is to adjust and exploit the poole tendencies. 10z people overfold in the blinds and on the BTN, don't 3bet a balanced range and fold too much to 3bets. Here's how you can exploit that

1) Steal like crazy CO onwards, treat CO like it's the btn, go way outside GTO opening ranges ( Think about it, if people are overfolding then we should be opening much wider )
2) 3B a tonne yourself specifically BTN vs CO, and BB vs BTN ( Turn your marginal BB defends into bluffs etc )
3) Overfold yourself to 3bets ( people aren't 3betting balanced with enough bluffs, hence we should defend much tighter )

Start thinking about these things more and less about what the solvers say. The solvers are useful as a general learning tool and will be much more useful playing vs tougher opponents, but your bread and butter for now should be focusing on exploiting weak tight regs
Good advice. One change I would make is assume everyone with 100bb+ stacks are nits. I do already 3bet a lot because I'm following gtowizard ranges, and due to the rake one can't flat much. What I haven't done enough is overfolding to 3bets and 4bets.
The only problem with abusing the pool is that regs will find out sooner or later with their huds. It can be hard to detect when some of them start adjusting to you and exploiting your exploits.
More on exploiting micro pools if someone is interested in watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M54YLb7M02E
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If you have a RIO essential membership, I´d highly recommend ishter´s old videos, specifically the 50z ones. Even if it´s outdated, pay close attention to his talking and his general strategy.
I don't have a membership there. If I continue failing, I might take a look.
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07-03-2021 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by balanced
Hello. I'll give you my humble opinion, all right?

Some people here said that you should deviate from GTO because population on your stake don't have a balanced range, etc.

Well, I respectfully disagree.

In my humble opinion, you should think about deviating only when you're already very good and want to have a bigger winrate than you already have. I don't think deviations should be done in order to transform a losing player into a winning player. If you're a losing player on microstakes, you probably have a lot of leaks from the theory point of view.

So, in my humble opinion, you should try your best to study and to play more theory. You're not losing because you're doing correct GTO decisions against unbalanced players on the river. If you're losing (and considering it's not just variance), it's because you're NOT playing correct GTO decisions on other parts of the game three.

Calling on the river on the QT hand, for example, is not the reason why you're not winning.
That would be ideal. Just playing gto, not using huds and winning. If you can beat NL 10 with a gto style, it wouldn't surprise me if you would also beat NL 100 with the same strategy.
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Originally Posted by balanced
These hands are the real examples of why you're not winning too much:

First hand:

Flop: Ok.
Turn: Wrong. You should check back. If you bet (wrong) and villain x/r, you should call in some frequency and fold in some frequency. As his x/r was smaller than my sim, you can call more often.
River: Fold. It's wrong to raise. Even calling is very close. For example: in my sim, villain should jam or check here, and we have to fold against a jam.

Second hand:

Preflop: Small frequency call. If you call all the time, you're calling too much.
Flop: Wrong. You should just call.
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Originally Posted by balanced
I'm sorry for floading, but one last thing about the AQ hand: on the turn, this is clear an overbet spot. So, betting is wrong and the sizing is also wrong (from the theory point of view). These are examples of what I was talking about.

Best regards, mate.
AQ hand. In many spots I am just guessing what I should do. Just so many different situations in poker. AQ felt high enough to also bet turn, but it seems that's not the case. According to my gto tool only AK qualifies. If this was btn vs bb, then aq can continue betting on the turn. I understand overbetting or checking turn are the two main choices with two broadway cards on the board, but that's not always the case. The river was just a typical spazz from me.

99. Well gtowizard NL 50 complex ranges say it's never a fold preflop. And again on the flop wizard says hero should go all-in. Clearly the results you get out from your sims depends a lot on the ranges and settings you use. I wonder if your sims accidently abuses the pool.
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07-03-2021 , 01:38 PM
Hey OP, just try to show up and focus on getting better every day.

These discussions are great but mostly a waste of time.

You’d be surprised at how valuable every hour of quality poker study can be. You can do plenty of things, most of which you seem to be aware of.

glgl
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07-05-2021 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by wannabe2700
AQ hand. In many spots I am just guessing what I should do. Just so many different situations in poker. AQ felt high enough to also bet turn, but it seems that's not the case. According to my gto tool only AK qualifies. If this was btn vs bb, then aq can continue betting on the turn. I understand overbetting or checking turn are the two main choices with two broadway cards on the board, but that's not always the case. The river was just a typical spazz from me.

99. Well gtowizard NL 50 complex ranges say it's never a fold preflop. And again on the flop wizard says hero should go all-in. Clearly the results you get out from your sims depends a lot on the ranges and settings you use. I wonder if your sims accidently abuses the pool.
Hello!

AQ hand: yeah, it's a small-to-medium mistake on the turn and a big mistake on the river.

99 hand: Are you sure about the all in? I checked on GTOwizard and it says it's a high frequency call with 9s9d.



You're doing well. GL!
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07-05-2021 , 10:24 AM
In my "not so humble" opinion:

AQo hand: Bet bigger on the flop and turn + fold the turn or river.
99 hand: Preflop is good (you can 5b shove). Call or min raise the flop. Never shove with anything. People make more mistakes vs smaller raises.
95s hand: The river is a check fold vs a fish. Vs a reg you should shove yourself, like you said.
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07-05-2021 , 01:39 PM
I have only played 5k hands so far, lacking behind in schedule, but I have spent a decent amount of time on my gto tool. Winrate has improved to -1 EV bb/100.

I saw an interesting comment on 2+2 saying motivation is a limited resource. Ego depletion seems to be the official term. It's still debatable if it exists, but I find it sensible. One way you can deplete your will power is by planning to do something. First of all, you only plan something that's difficult to achieve. Secondly, planning is like doing the activity already. Your mind is exhausted and relieved it's over, even if you didn't actually do anything yet. This leads me to believe the most successful people don't keep a blog, unless the blog is the reason for their success. They are saving their energy and motivation for the work itself. I won't stop updating this challenge, but I will mentally try not to go over my daily goals and instead just do them.



Scary flop, scary minraise and continued barrels made me fold river. Now that I think about it turn should be one of the best cards for me. Sets and two pair combos go down. If there's ever a chance he might play KK, AQ like this, I should call.
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07-05-2021 , 01:39 PM
More sacrifices. Amitabha.

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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Hey OP, just try to show up and focus on getting better every day.

These discussions are great but mostly a waste of time.

You’d be surprised at how valuable every hour of quality poker study can be. You can do plenty of things, most of which you seem to be aware of.

glgl
Yep I haven't done enough real work. The little I have done, I have mostly spend it on preflop. Then I 5-bet A5s btn vs co and get insta called by AK, QQ+ 4bet range.
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Originally Posted by balanced
Hello!

AQ hand: yeah, it's a small-to-medium mistake on the turn and a big mistake on the river.

99 hand: Are you sure about the all in? I checked on GTOwizard and it says it's a high frequency call with 9s9d.



You're doing well. GL!
What wizard settings are you using? I looked at NL 500. They just added NL 50 complex postflop solves, so I guess you're using them. But I admit I didn't look at the suits much. Heart suits go all-in a lot more. SB c-bet 34% pot, 99 no heart shoves 33%. SB c-bet 60% pot, 99 no heart shoves half the time.
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Originally Posted by ZKesic
In my "not so humble" opinion:

AQo hand: Bet bigger on the flop and turn + fold the turn or river.
99 hand: Preflop is good (you can 5b shove). Call or min raise the flop. Never shove with anything. People make more mistakes vs smaller raises.
95s hand: The river is a check fold vs a fish. Vs a reg you should shove yourself, like you said.
Wow minraising flop with 99. Do we fold or call if they shove? Would be painful to fold if they have AK.
So check fold 95s vs wannabe. Sometimes it's profitable to be bad.
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