If, in his shoes you're expecting me to bet call a super draw here (which is definitely feasible) but bet fold a bare NFD or bluff (a gutter or up n down) then surely it's a better option to just call turn and call 100% of rivers to allow those busted draws to bluff.
This really depends on how often you bluff busted draws on the river.
If for example you're mostly bluffing with flushdraws and mostly giving them up on the river (as you should if he's not fastplaying sets) then by just calling he is giving you a lot of free equity. Also if you have a low set and river comes a flush he can't stack you anymore (as I assume you checkfold a flush river with a low set)
Imho nothing wrong with a turn shove in a vacuum, though him being nitty/faceup in general is a different matter ofc. I'd guess vs a lot of players shoving turn outperforms calling.
Yeah like Sirrybob pointed out, that's not really how it works.
When you have high equity bet-folds OTT, he is supposed to be jamming there with some freq, even with total bluffcatchers, like QQ/ATs here could make sense to jam, even if it's 0ish equity vs your bet-call range.
With JJ it definitely makes sense to jam in vacuum if he thinks you underbluff river, or probably even if you'd bluff the river the appropiate frequencies, by no means it's 100% ******ed.
PS: It's quite easy to solve how often you'd need to be bluffing river with FDs to make it more +EV to call than jam vs them in a vacuum.
tyty mate. did i read somewhere that you're going travelling? Cliffs please!
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Great month's results Ben, enjoy the time off!
thanks bud, i definitely did
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Hf bud and enjoy your time off
thank bro, looking forward to malta
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Even steven
not sure what to say to this or know what it even means!?
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Nice month. Go buy that jacket now.....but not the goalkeepers top.
hmmm, more GK tops, less nice jackets imo
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Well done, enjoy the break and gl next month!
thanks bud!
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+1000
Grats on the month Ben.
yeah, yeah, you guys are ofc right. thanks again man
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lifecoach me
gotta play in order to win mate glad to see you back at the tables and unhappy you stacked me at 400...
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Nice month Bena. Have a good holiday!
thanks as always mate
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so surprising that your Gym section is marked as 'BAD' for a change
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please lift a weight
**** you guys
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ty dev. gl next month
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This really depends on how often you bluff busted draws on the river.
If for example you're mostly bluffing with flushdraws and mostly giving them up on the river (as you should if he's not fastplaying sets) then by just calling he is giving you a lot of free equity. Also if you have a low set and river comes a flush he can't stack you anymore (as I assume you checkfold a flush river with a low set)
Imho nothing wrong with a turn shove in a vacuum, though him being nitty/faceup in general is a different matter ofc. I'd guess vs a lot of players shoving turn outperforms calling.
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Yeah like Sirrybob pointed out, that's not really how it works.
When you have high equity bet-folds OTT, he is supposed to be jamming there with some freq, even with total bluffcatchers, like QQ/ATs here could make sense to jam, even if it's 0ish equity vs your bet-call range.
With JJ it definitely makes sense to jam in vacuum if he thinks you underbluff river, or probably even if you'd bluff the river the appropiate frequencies, by no means it's 100% ******ed.
PS: It's quite easy to solve how often you'd need to be bluffing river with FDs to make it more +EV to call than jam vs them in a vacuum.
Highlighted this bit to just finally illustrate my thoughts on the hand. I agree as part of a good gameplan and strategy shoving the turn is good/fine, but when one is imbalanced it becomes considerably worse.
yooooooooo, so i'm back from my break and it was so awesome to be away from the tables/computer for a prolonged period of time and also have the opportunity to spend quality time with family. Started the week in Salcombe, a small seaside town where we spent the whole week eating quality food, playing tons of beach games and generally taking it very easy. For the past 3 nights charlotte and i have been 'glamping' (i know, i wish there was another word for it...) Stayed in a yurt which is basically a fancy tent. Got a lot of pics but putting up some of the better ones!
A small cornish town we visited
The view from our house
Me and charlotte
Catching crabs. The big one on the left was mine, no biggie
Sexy views on the beach
Amazing sunset. You never get these in London unfortunately
The farm where we were glamping
and inside the yurt with the view from our front door
That pretty much sums things up for the trip. Feeling refreshed and raring to go in September!
Welcome back buddy! Glad to see you had a good time down there, hope you're all refreshed and ready to crush.
Thanks mate. I am indeed. Hope things are going good with finishing up your job and starting the new one!
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In b4 stars welcome back heater
haha, i wish. I always have the welcome back crushing...
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And as stated above i really did have a terrible first day back. Actually ran fairly well overall but felt ridiculously rusty which lead to losing a lot.
vs fish with sick high wwsf and donk call/raise stats. Really grim situation:
Preflop: Hero is CO with K A
4 folds, Hero raises to $10, BTN folds, SB calls $8, BB calls $6
Flop: ($30) A 9 3 (3 players)
SB bets $28, BB calls $28, Hero raises to $96, SB raises to $472.22 and is all-in, BB folds, Hero calls $332.35 and is all-in
Turn: ($914.70) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in) River: ($914.70) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Spoiler:
Results: $914.70 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: A 9 3 3 K
Hero showed K A and won $911.90 ($473.55 net)
SB showed 9 A and lost (-$438.35 net)
BB mucked and lost (-$38 net)
Wrt to 3betting TT from the sb, you're planning to jam over 4bs always? What about cold 4 bets?
I ask bc in my player pool it seems a lot of regs flat 3bs otb so TT is doing fine there. But then they 4b like ako, jj-qq and some AA kk and maybe 1/3 of their 4bs are bluffs. So I feel like I'm not generating enough folds jamming pre
Openfolding flop/showing vs yada is prolly teh gto play in that spot and will save alot of money in teh longrun. Cant win vs teh Prince with marginal ovapurrs
Wrt to 3betting TT from the sb, you're planning to jam over 4bs always? What about cold 4 bets?
I ask bc in my player pool it seems a lot of regs flat 3bs otb so TT is doing fine there. But then they 4b like ako, jj-qq and some AA kk and maybe 1/3 of their 4bs are bluffs. So I feel like I'm not generating enough folds jamming pre
Woolyy summed things up pretty nicely but there are a couple things to add. I would always check a persons cold 4b to help make a decision as to whether or not i wanna shove or call. Again, flatting TT is pretty standard but by no means will i always flat TT to a 3b. It'll be very player dependant, whether i have history with them or they could be a real nit. I do love flatting 4b pre oop (teh stone can vouch) so i would really say be aware of who you're playing against more than having a standard with a certain hand or range.
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Openfolding flop/showing vs yada is prolly teh gto play in that spot and will save alot of money in teh longrun. Cant win vs teh Prince with marginal ovapurrs
Yeah, he taught me a lesson he's taught me many times before, however, i seem to have gone against that lesson. It won't be happening again any time soon!
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Things went well today. I definitely ran good in big all ins but spent the first half of the day getting crushed every single hand. I've read the MGOP 3 times in the past 6 weeks now and it's 100% starting to have a very positive effect on my play and attitude while playing. I'm gunna start quoting some bits that i've found helpful that some of you guys could apply to your own games. Maybe not, but we'll give it a go!
Quote for today is, 'Don't let variance beat you by forcing you to play badly'. Extremely simple logic but something i seem to forget every single time i'm having a bad session.
Hand from today. The hand that must've put me well above ev for the day. Fish was short and reg in sb. I should call the flop raise fwiw - that was a mistake for sure
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 2 2
Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, CO calls $10, BTN folds, SB calls $8, BB folds
Flop: ($34) 6 2 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20.72, CO calls $20.72, SB raises to $74, Hero raises to $138, CO calls $89.29 and is all-in, SB raises to $423.20 and is all-in, Hero calls $285.20
Turn: ($990.41) A (3 players, 2 are all-in) River: ($990.41) 8 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
Spoiler:
Results: $990.41 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 6 2 8 A 8
CO showed 3 5 and lost (-$120.01 net)
SB showed 7 6 and lost (-$433.20 net)
Hero showed 2 2 and won $987.61 ($554.41 net)
vs spazzy reg who seems to be getting better. Is calling river too outrageous? Felt like this hand blocks 89 fairly well, doesn't block either of the flush draws. Interested on views here: