^ hehe I love bluffing the nutz......merge

QTo hand is pretty sick... You shutting down on 2 river?

I think he means if you're bluffing all your QT no heart and value betting your 9T, you are gonna have 9 bluff combos and 16 value combos, giving villain a call with his hands that have a pair.

ty man, ah you shoulda said hi!

Value shoving. Was going to shove a lot and check call a lot too

Yeah it's a real shame that you are made to feel that way and can't really be yourself at work.

Yeah i tend to agree. I may as well explain my truthful thought process as it seems relevant. I guess that the more i work as a therapist, the more i see how vulnerable people can be. I'm there as someone who my client can rely on to be there each week, to listen to all their stuff and also help them fix themselves - pretty selfless overall. I then have the other side of me that preys on the weak and exploits people. What i'm trying to say is that the more aware of myself i become the more i question whether different parts of me are a contradiction. At times it's a pretty rough thought because I can't really not play poker as it's my source of income + i'm good at it, but there's also a small part of me that feels a sense of guilt.

Anyway, it's something that i've just been giving some thought and i'm happy that i'm able to be honest with myself instead of disregarding that there may be some inner conflict.

ty bud

Tbh guys this is an unbelievably exploitable bluff and i'm not gunna pretend that i was counting combos. I just felt with game flow, the fact he overbet turn, that i block the nuts, that he can't really ever call down with anything but the nuts, that i have WAY more 9T than him and that when close to 100% of the population only play 9T exactly this way i could get him to fold anything bar 9T. From a theoretical point of view im overbluffing but from a realistic reg v reg at 200nl i'm turning biiiiig profit playing my hand this way.



Yeah i wasn't shoving a heart or a board pair but everything else.

Correct me if i'm wrong, isn't it 12 combos of each 9T and QT i have with exact flop? I call 100% of QTo and 9To pre

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Today was garbage, played absolutely awful. At least i didn't have too bad of a session. Picked up aces soooo many times and had some sick whales. Really feels like i should have made about 3k. I was also overheating like a mother ****er - the flat is just insaaaaanely hot at the moment which is awful for grinding!



Tilt river call vs whale. Such an easy fold



The tastiest pot i've won all year vs reg:



Grim hand vs reg. He 3b a fish. There is argument for folding river but hey, wasn't in a folding mood it seems:



Grim pot vs whale:



vs fish. wtf am i flatting river here for



2/4FR and 5/10 goal aren't going the best this month!



Happy to see a lot of posts in the thread atm! Keep em' coming.

Aim for tomorrow is to not play like an utter tool

The flop in hand 2, was there a fist pump, a relatively subdued 'Yes!' or was there '9 or a 5' type hysteria when you seen it?

Just joined this thread a week ago and it sure delivers enjoy the amount of hands posted each day.

edit: 420th post time to celebrate

Almost as tasty as a tuna chocolate shake. Almost

Given that there is no Q or T on the board, you have 16 combos of both QT and T9.

4Q*4T = 16QT (4 suited, 12 off-suit).

haha, it was a silent one this time with my eyes wide open!

ah, great to hear you're enjoying the ride mate. haha since when was 420 a milestone?

blergh. 78s more tasty i think

god i can't even count combos. The pm saying i shouldnt even be playing 50z is right

Big fan of your CR videos, thought I'd stop lurking and say hello! I play a lot of live £1/£2 and £2/£5 cash games in London, LSQ/Edgware Road. Thank god you sickos prefer playing online, stay away from our fish! GL

I believe the original assumption was that you wouldn't bluff your QT hands that have a heart in them (as villain's overbet semi bluffs are fairly likely to have Q or T. This would give you 3x3=9 QT combos.

haha thanks for chiming in mate. ahh, i'm definitely up for playing some live. Actually thinking bout going next week!

ok yeah, thanks for clearing that up.

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Today was good but i still feel disappointed?! Probably cus i was up 2k and lost most of it back. Still a win though so i'll shut up about it now.



Won my first stack of the year at 1k! Shame it was a bog standard AA v KK. Still, i'll take it.

vs v aggro reg. In quite good keeping with the overbluffing chat that's been going down the past day or so:



vs aggro reg:



vs average reg:



fish being fish:



I seriously need to start folding to passive fish donk leads otr:



Kinda owning fish but probably fish owning himself. Kinda got this image in my head of him at his pc:



Footie tonight. Felt pretty rusty the past few games so hoping to up my game.

glgl

I just couldnt keep my mouth shut! Don't want no 5betting wars : D. Think you'll be very pleasantly surprised if its been a while, games have been v good recently. Full of maniacs and extremely LP players sitting on 1k at £1/£2 - one of the nice things about playing live!

If you stop in the hippo let me know on skype, will add you, I'll hook an online bro up! Just leave us some chips for us live reg nut pedalling nits would you :P

KTdd hand - I keep thinking the same when a passive donk leads river with the nuts and then a few hands later he'll be leading river with a weaker top pair hand than you have. I think at half pot you have to always call there unless you have a read that he only does it with nutted hands. It's extremely frustrating though when they always seem to have it

interesting, was at hippo this weekend just past playing the 1-2 deep, there was also an insanely good 5/T game that ran, but it was more like a deep 2/5

whales

who are you acidhauss1

hey i'm a bit rusty i was hoping you could help me:

first hand, let's say it's the same board but it's T of club and J of heart. on river, would you prefer calling holding A or J of club, or would you rather have no clubs for calling. i feel ******ed for asking, hopefully i'm v tired.

Interesting, a hippo reg on 2+2! Yes was there that evening, games were incredible. Wasnt rolled for the 5/10 but when it broke the value webt to a 1/2 which i was lucky enough to be on. I left about 4 the next day, pained me to leavr whrn the game was STILL so good lol.

Was there this evening actually, was a lot of cake about. Probably seen yu before shoot me a PM would be cool to find out who you are. Ik sure id recognise you if i saw you lol.

haha i'm not a hippo reg, not fortunate to live in london

was just down for the weekend to experience the games, you southerners don't know how lucky you are!

ps: can't send you a pm since you don't have enough post count

add this skype: 'mmm.butterfly'

really interested as to who you are since we almost certainly played haha

May as well do a live london grinds chat

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Sounds awesome man! Don't worry, i wouldn't ever play live more than a couple times a year so your money is well and truly safe Pm me your skype name and i'll start a London regs chat!

haha yeah, they always do have it but it's so difficult to fold

there are no noob questions, dw. Its actually quite close. Whilst having the Ac means we aren't afraid of Axcc (cus he will be 3betting Axs pre from the SB a LOT) it also feels like not having it benefits us too as he will bluff his Acx combos. Off the top of my head i would say i would rather not have the Ac in my hand but i would like to have the Jc.

This! Pm me skype names boys!

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Another pretty bad day today. My blueline is doing it's old super breakeven which usually means i'm just coming up short in every hand. All good though, this breakeven stretch is refreshing compared to my normal 70bi ds



vs whale:



Refusing to fold vs reg. Really not pleased with my call cus i block a hell of a lot of his bluffs. Folding turn is definitely better:



Just one of those losing day spots:



Delightful spot vs passive fish:



Hoping we can catch some heat at some stage! 3:1 last night for a decent result. I'm hoping to get our go pro hooked back up for recording our games. Wanna make a compilation of our best goals/saves! glgl

Ben,

I ran a sim on the AJ hand (SB vs BB) earlier today and found some very strange results. Now, a few hours later, I decided to redo the sim to see if perhaps I would discover something different.

My first guess when reading the hand was that the EV of calling AJ here versus a well constructed range (depending on how you view things, you may disagree with this initial assumption; however, this is my preferred basis without reads) would be very close to 0.

I ran this hand through CREV using what I believed to be somewhat reasonable assumptions (which I will include below at the end of this post) and then used the 'equilibrium' tool in attempt to solve the river. I made OOP always check, and gave IP the option to either shove or check. CREV decided to do some strange this here which I didn't fully understand. In CREV's eqm range, it had IP using a mixed strat with AK (utilizing flush blockers IIRC), and actually had IP always checking AA (which I still do not fully understand; though I suspect it has to do with AA blocking too much of your bluff catching range that is not QT).

Versus the IP's range, CREV had you only sometimes calling with AJ, and sometimes folding (as you can guess, given that it's using a mixed strategy, the EV of AJ was then of course 0).

I then went back and adjusted IP's range to what I thought would be slightly more realistic (I basically made him always bet AK+, but left everything else the same*).

*I couldn't add more bluffs because CREV already had IP bluffing all his complete air.

This adjustment (this is a very obvious result) made calling AJ quite -EV (~$19). Basically, using the range I had given villain, he couldn't get to the river with enough air to balance his value range. If my assumption of his range is correct, your highest EV counter-adjustment would be only to call QT! (I gave you the off-suit combos of QT as well).



Notable assumptions:

BB 3bet range (13.27%):

77-AA, AJ-AK, A2s-A5s**, ATs**, K7s-K8s, KTs-KJs**, KQ, Q7s-Q8s**, QTs-QJs**, QTo**, QJo-KJo**, J7s**, T7s-T9s**, 96s-98s**, 85s-87s**, 75s-76s**, 64s-64s**, 54s**

**weighted 40%.

SB calling range:

22-88, A2s-AQs, A9o-AQo, K8s-KQs, KQo, QJo-KJo, JTo-KTo, Q9s-QJs, J9s-JTs, T8s-T9s, 97s-98s, 86s-87s, 76s, 65s

- SB never x/r flop/turn (reasonable assumption given texture. River BB ends up shoving)

I could go more in depth into all my betting/calling ranges here, but I think everything is pretty reasonable. I will save the file in case you would like to see it.

TL;DR: AJ is much less of a call than it initially looks like against how most people likely play. Villain likely does not get to river with enough air. Versus a balanced*** strat, AJ is a call sometimes.

***sorta

good i figured it was close, ty for answering! gl turning things around.

I don't think BB's 3betting range is so linear like u calculated above. A big portion of that 3b range is going to be in his flatting range BvB and instead he will 3bet a lot more weakish hands that'll make his 3b range more polarized.

Btw great thread Ben keep it up!

This could certainly be true, but could you be more specific? Linear could be interpreted in a few different ways. If you're referring to his high card hands, then I think assigning a mixed strategy like I did is reasonable (for hands such as QJs for example), and I would certainly always expect BB to 3b KQ+. If you're talking about hands such as 76s that you think he would call, and 3b something like 95s instead, I would just like to point out that for the analysis of this hand the two hands function identically.