I’m gonna chime in because I’ve played party, stars and good and dirty games on PokerMaster and I’d say the two that are most similar are party and the bad games on PokerMaster. Some of the stats and showdowns were very very suspicious.


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not combined with aggression

I been on party about 4 months now mate and had about 5-6 refunds for banned players in my pool already. Probably a similar amount to my previous 8 years on Stars.

So there clearly is more cheating going on.

I was playing much lower stakes but the only time I've ever gone busto was on Party. The site is full of bots (I outed a few of them myself) but Party's solution to the bot problem was to ban huds as they were embarrased at the fact it was the players who were outing them. They are also fully aware that there is software out there that gets around their hud ban.

alright, who's going to kick off the flat earth debate

Hahaha touché


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NS West and DoA spotted, strong board selection.

If they are going super aggro in spots you're not defending well, then they are owning you. They are opening themselves to exploitation, if you don't punish them in those spots they will get away with it.

right right I hear you

why are you talking about punishing anything when you use KK as a 4bet bluff.

When the utg RFI ccs your cold 4-bet from the bb vs a sb 3-bet 100bb deep, your KK are no good lol

rapi i really don't want to unsubscribe this thread too because of your strategy posts since is one of the last that i'm still following. why the f u have to comment on every single hand and graph and strategy thought, i really don't get it.

sry for derail bena ( derail from derail though ) , hope things will turnaround soon.

nice pics ben, would have been sick snowboarding! im jealous!!!

why are party games harder than stars? Isnt stars 500z regarded as rather tough? Seems like alot of rb grinders are smashing party now.

I would just play at any site where games are good and money is safe.

glgl

Just block his posts if it bothers you? Pretty easy solution, no need to unfollow threads because of it. Ultimately it's an open forum and people are allowed to participate unless the OP of the thread tells them not to.

how do you do this? i thought they got rid of the block function

Yeah but this only helps so much, you still get to see endless posts of common sense trying to combat Rapids nonsense. I think it's also just the sheer quantity of **** posting too. Every thread I open, that has hands posted in it, will have rapid telling someone that they played x hand wrong, that someone could be a 10knl reg in the high stakes thread or any one of a multitude of pg&c threads. Before hand I used to think he was just a bit naive, now I think he's bordering on trolling.


Click his name, view profile, user lists, add to ignore list.

Rumour is rapid gets paid by ben to bump this thread and keep it on top at all times... unconfirmed though

That downswing, man. Jeez. #PrayForOP

keep going bro, your hard work will pay off

Yeah I mean I don't enjoy sifting past his posts either but he just comes across as someone who loves poker and has some struggles not getting lost in the complexity of poker theory. It's really not hard to scan through it and not waste much time though. It's mildly annoying but he has as much right to post as anyone else unless the OP asks him not to. There's abusive posters that deserve to be called out much more than someone being called out for posting too much strat derails.

Agreed with tyman, the mzbourg, mirage and spinmerightarounds of this world are much much worse

haha yeah, you'd absolutely HATE it george. Can we get a skype psych running soon pls

god, it might be time

Thanks slug!

I have no physical pain in my arms or wrist and never have really. Sometimes get a little bit of a stiff neck. I guess doing sport/being relatively active is the key, although i haven't actually been doing all that much recently haha

This is super interesting wrt to your graphs, but tbh, unsurprising.

haha the only thing that could be worse than posting losing graph after losing graph would be for people watch me live losing every hand

Yeah it's a private balcony, no one can see into our living/grind room.

No hate confirmed. I dunno, it feels pretty sweet to me!

Thanks bro, gto life is >>>>> poker life. Unless you're broke and can't afford food or rent, then it's prob worse... Yeah, hope i never have that streak again

omfg, illuminate

Actually the screens aren't too low - the middle of my main monitor lies directly on my eye level which is where it should be to reduce strain on my body.

The pic doesn't really show the size of the screens, but they are both 24". Laptop is 15 iirc.

Thanks for the support mate!

Not surprised to hear this either at all

haha that's pretty sick. I dunno if i had any refunds. How're you finding 200?

aha, i've had more than my fair share of flat earth youtube holes

Yeah snowboarding was aaawesome max, have you been?

In terms of the quality of party/500z; 500z has better regs for the most part yes, however it also has some fish.

Peak times on party do also have fish, but due to my schedule i'm playing in pretty much exclusively reg line ups. While i think my game is pretty strong right now, even if i assume my wr in these line ups is 2-3bb/100, i'm expected to have numerous 50-60bi downswings. I do think that i can mentally handle swings pretty well, however, when it happens SO quickly and it's quite a lot of money, I find it hard to put the monetary swings to one side.

Safe and good is certainly a winning formula, stick to that!

can neither confirm nor deny

Thank you arty <3

cheers bro, appreciate it

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fwiw, I got a lot of time for rapidesh's posts. Gone are the days where people actually gave their full thoughts on hand histories cus everyone so concerned on keeping info close to their chests. You're welcome to post as much as you like in here, and just ignore the guys slating you constantly. (obv if it tilts you that much then block his posts, it's easy)

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Played some 200z the past day or so. Ran good yesterday and ran poorly today. Played a LOT of hands. I'm very surprised as to how poorly most of the regs play at 200z. The amount of ip raising in 3b pots with supreme nut is truly unreal, not to mention mega transparent lines/station call downs for no reason whatsoever



Had these three pots within 2 mins of one another

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $264.61 (132 bb)
MP: $300.55 (150 bb)
CO (Hero): $633.13 (317 bb)
BU: $203.00 (102 bb)
SB: $210.05 (105 bb)
BB: $178.72 (89 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is CO with A♦ A♣
2 players fold, Hero raises to $4.10, BTN 3-bets to $14, 2 players fold, Hero 4-bets to $42, BTN calls $28

Flop: ($87) 5♣ T♥ 9♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $26.96, BTN calls $26.96

Turn: ($140.92) T♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($140.92) 6♠ (2 players)
Hero bets $564.17 (all-in), BTN calls $134.04 (all-in)

Total pot: $409 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
CO (Hero) shows A♦ A♣ (two pair, Aces and Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 78%, Flop: 29%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

BU shows T♠ 9♠ (a full house, Tens full of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 22%, Flop: 71%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

BU wins $406.25

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $139.50 (70 bb)
MP: $201.75 (101 bb)
CO: $105.00 (53 bb)
BU (Hero): $826.19 (413 bb)
SB: $229.12 (115 bb)
BB: $200.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is BTN with Q♦ Q♠
3 players fold, Hero raises to $4.10, 1 fold, BB 3-bets to $17.30, Hero 4-bets to $42, BB calls $24.70

Flop: ($85) 6♠ 9♥ 4♥ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $27.14, BB calls $27.14

Turn: ($139.28) 7♠ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $204.80, BB calls $130.86 (all-in)

First River: ($401) 3♣ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($401) 7♥ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $401 (Rake: $2.75)

First Showdown: Board: 6♠ 9♥ 4♥ 7♠ 3♣

BU (Hero) shows Q♦ Q♠ (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 9%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

BB shows 9♦ 9♠ (three of a kind, Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 91%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

BB wins $199.12

Second Showdown: Board: 6♠ 9♥ 4♥ 7♠ 7♥

BU (Hero) shows Q♦ Q♠ (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 9%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

BB shows 9♦ 9♠ (a full house, Nines full of Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 91%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

BB wins $199.13

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $205.55 (103 bb)
MP: $33.40 (17 bb)
CO (Hero): $200.00 (100 bb)
BU: $213.82 (107 bb)
SB: $72.60 (36 bb)
BB: $200.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is CO with K♥ K♣
2 players fold, Hero raises to $4.10, 2 players fold, BB 3-bets to $20, Hero 4-bets to $46, BB calls $26

Flop: ($93) 3♥ 7♣ J♥ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $29.78, BB calls $29.78

Turn: ($152.56) T♠ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $124.22 (all-in), BB calls $124.22 (all-in)

First River: ($401) 7♠ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second River: ($401) 5♦ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $401 (Rake: $2.75)

First Showdown: Board: 3♥ 7♣ J♥ T♠ 7♠

CO (Hero) shows K♥ K♣ (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 12%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

BB shows J♠ J♣ (a full house, Jacks full of Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 88%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

BB wins $199.12

Second Showdown: Board: 3♥ 7♣ J♥ T♠ 5♦

CO (Hero) shows K♥ K♣ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 12%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

BB shows J♠ J♣ (three of a kind, Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 88%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

BB wins $199.13

bzzzzzzzzzzt vs reg

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $200.00 (100 bb)
MP (Hero): $553.18 (277 bb)
CO: $200.00 (100 bb)
BU: $588.58 (294 bb)
SB: $200.00 (100 bb)
BB: $128.19 (64 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is MP with 7♠ 7♣
1 fold, Hero raises to $4.10, 1 fold, BTN 3-bets to $17.20, 2 players fold, Hero calls $13.10

Flop: ($37.40) T♠ 6♣ 6♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $14.92, Hero calls $14.92

Turn: ($67.24) 7♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $44, Hero raises to $154.74, BTN calls $110.74

River: ($376.72) 4♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $366.32 (all-in), BTN calls $366.32

Total pot: $1,109.36 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
MP (Hero) shows 7♠ 7♣ (a full house, Sevens full of Sixes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 10%, Turn: 98%, River: 100%)

BU shows 6♠ 5♠ (three of a kind, Sixes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 90%, Turn: 2%, River: 0%)

MP (Hero) wins $1,106.61

PROTECTION from reg

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $200.47 (100 bb)
MP: $266.22 (133 bb)
CO: $195.08 (98 bb)
BU: $255.84 (128 bb)
SB: $407.94 (204 bb)
BB (Hero): $334.14 (167 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is BB with 5♦ K♦
UTG raises to $4.94, 3 players fold, SB calls $3.94, Hero calls $2.94

Flop: ($14.82) 3♦ 5♣ 6♦ (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $9.29, SB folds, Hero raises to $29.27, UTG calls $19.98

Turn: ($73.36) A♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $22.60, UTG raises to $166.26 (all-in), Hero calls $143.66

First River: ($405.88) 2♦ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($405.88) J♥ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $405.88 (Rake: $2.75)

First Showdown: Board: 3♦ 5♣ 6♦ A♦ 2♦

UTG shows 8♦ 9♦ (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 43%, Flop: 28%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

BB (Hero) shows 5♦ K♦ (a flush, Ace high - higher flush)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 57%, Flop: 72%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

BB (Hero) wins $201.56

Second Showdown: Board: 3♦ 5♣ 6♦ A♦ J♥

UTG shows 8♦ 9♦ (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 43%, Flop: 28%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

BB (Hero) shows 5♦ K♦ (a flush, Ace high - higher flush)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 57%, Flop: 72%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

BB (Hero) wins $201.57

My entire bankroll was going in otr here

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $182.42 (91 bb)
MP: $80.15 (40 bb)
CO: $544.12 (272 bb)
BU (Hero): $956.26 (478 bb)
SB: $288.51 (144 bb)
BB: $48.45 (24 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is BTN with 7♥ 8♥
2 players fold, CO raises to $5, Hero 3-bets to $16, 2 players fold, CO 4-bets to $50, Hero calls $34

Flop: ($103) Q♥ 9♣ T♥ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $32.08, CO calls $32.08

Turn: ($167.16) T♠ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $98.65, CO folds

Total pot: $167.16 (Rake: $2.75)
BU (Hero) wins $164.41

That's one way to play it i guess

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $309.08 (155 bb)
MP: $268.60 (134 bb)
CO: $167.27 (84 bb)
BU (Hero): $313.95 (157 bb)
SB: $674.92 (337 bb)
BB: $200.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is BTN with A♣ Q♣
1 fold, MP raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets to $15, 2 players fold, MP calls $11

Flop: ($33) K♥ T♦ 2♠ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $10.35, MP calls $10.35

Turn: ($53.70) 6♣ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($53.70) K♦ (2 players)
MP bets $34.01, Hero calls $34.01

Total pot: $121.72 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
MP shows 7♥ J♥ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 36%, Flop: 18%, Turn: 7%, River: 0%)

BU (Hero) shows A♣ Q♣ (a pair of Kings - higher kicker)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 64%, Flop: 82%, Turn: 93%, River: 100%)

BU (Hero) wins $118.97

Back at it tomorrow

glgl

I thought eye level was meant to be with the top of the screen? Either way, as long as you're comfortable that's all that matters. We had some ergonomics expert come to my company and show us how to set up our desks and I think that's what she said anyway.

Iv put in 90k hands this year on party/bwin and found the same as you bro, also dropped it.

No way Patrick Leonard would allow that on his watch.