Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A Q
3 folds, Hero raises to $102.50, MP3 calls $102.50, 3 folds, BB calls $52.50
Flop: ($332.50) 3 K J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets $200, BB folds, Hero raises to $687.70, MP3 raises to $2,421.82 and is all-in, Hero calls $1,734.12
Turn: ($5,176.14) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in) River: ($5,176.14) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Spoiler:
Results: $5,176.14 pot ($3.00 rake)
Final Board: 3 K J 7 T
Hero showed A Q and won $5,173.14 ($2,648.82 net)
MP3 showed 6 Q and lost (-$2,524.32 net)
BB mucked and lost (-$102.50 net)
Turn: ($122.20) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $101.03, BB raises to $518.02, Hero raises to $1,065.35 and is all-in, BB calls $22.38 and is all-in
River: ($1,203) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Spoiler:
Results: $1,203 pot ($3.50 rake)
Final Board: 7 3 9 7 2
Hero showed 7 J and won $1,199.50 ($599.50 net)
BB showed Q A and lost (-$600 net)
I´m guessing you´re among the biggest winners at Zoom 500 and still you managed to break even over a wopping 300,000 hands.
GG Online Poker.
Yeah I noticed that as well...
@Ben do you attribute this BE stretch to something along the lines of "that was bcak when I was a fish still" - i.e. I'm guessing there's been a decent skill increase over this sample?
Mentally I can't imagine it was too fun grinding out 300k hands and getting no where... :s
I´m guessing you´re among the biggest winners at Zoom 500 and still you managed to break even over a wopping 300,000 hands.
GG Online Poker.
Just for clarification, I´m talking about breaking even in terms of EV (hands 150,000 to 450,000 - you may have won the odd $2,000, but you get my point).
@Ben do you attribute this BE stretch to something along the lines of "that was bcak when I was a fish still" - i.e. I'm guessing there's been a decent skill increase over this sample?
Mentally I can't imagine it was too fun grinding out 300k hands and getting no where... :s
The "back when I was a fish" still somehow had 10bb/100 for 150k hands at the start.
Like tbh I think it's always easy when on heaters for people to look at other graphs and be like "it's not possible to BE for this long and play good" etc. I think part of it comes down to the subconscious telling the person it cant happen to them. Variance is actually stupidly sick when you look at it, I know I've been guilty of burying my head in the sand when running good and thinking bad stretches aren't possible "if I keep playing this well" but it's just bs.
Can just be some serious lol variance mixed with not playing as well during downers which is the case for pretty much everyone.
Like I think this is why mental game is so so important, I don't think many people could drag themselves out of bed 200k hands in this breakeven stretch and tell themselves it's going to be fine, so much negative energy would have been stirred up over this time through bad habits it would likely be Gg.
Anyway, interested to hear your thoughts, sorry for the ramble
The "back when I was a fish" still somehow had 10bb/100 for 150k hands at the start.
Like tbh I think it's always easy when on heaters for people to look at other graphs and be like "it's not possible to BE for this long and play good" etc. I think part of it comes down to the subconscious telling the person it cant happen to them. Variance is actually stupidly sick when you look at it, I know I've been guilty of burying my head in the sand when running good and thinking bad stretches aren't possible "if I keep playing this well" but it's just bs.
Can just be some serious lol variance mixed with not playing as well during downers which is the case for pretty much everyone.
Like I think this is why mental game is so so important, I don't think many people could drag themselves out of bed 200k hands in this breakeven stretch and tell themselves it's going to be fine, so much negative energy would have been stirred up over this time through bad habits it would likely be Gg.
Anyway, interested to hear your thoughts, sorry for the ramble
This is a good post. It took 7 years but when I'm "crushing" I now remind myself to enjoy the good runs/good times while it lasts b/c the next 100k b/e might begin tomorrow. When it comes - it always does - only thing to do is focus on getting the best table selection and keep grinding thru. I also think it's natural for people to work harder on their game in the bad times and look for spots to improve in. (And during the good times to just show up make x buyin and think, wow this is easy).
Also @meale you should hope this happens to you one day. Just means you've played this silly game long enough for it to happen!
I now remind myself to enjoy the good runs/good times while it lasts b/c the next 100k b/e might begin tomorrow.
Really highlights the importance of BRM when you're starting out as well. Bena's clearly an accomplished player where such a stretch is actually only break-even, whereas a less experienced player could be playing their theoretical "best" poker but could end up on 100k losing stretch.
Really cool to see you shotting the big boy games Ben, hopefully it all works out.
thanks mate! haha, sometimes they find their way into the pool. gotta run kinda good to find them
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Originally Posted by Husker
Those 25/50 hands must get the pulse level going
haha the 24k pot i had i was legit hiding behind my chair as i shoved river. then blew up celebrated hard
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Originally Posted by Grammen1985
Are u psychologist or psychiatrist ?
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Originally Posted by blakkman08
OP is a fkn Psycho
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Originally Posted by Grammen1985
psycho or schizo ?xaxa
I would also like to hear your opinion about emdr
haha, i'm actually neither. My training is in psychotherapy, so less diagnosis, more exploring the dynamics between myself and my client to offer a reflection as to how they operate in the outside world/in their relationships, which in turn leads to grounds for change in their life
As for EMDR, I know very little. My supervisor last year (who i absolutely loved and rated extremely highly) is fully trained/accredited in EMDR and swears by it though. I'm aware that it's perfect for clients who're severely traumatised
but i couldn't tell you any more than that without guessing.
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Originally Posted by dingdongdonkey
I´m guessing you´re among the biggest winners at Zoom 500 and still you managed to break even over a wopping 300,000 hands.
GG Online Poker.
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Originally Posted by meale
Yeah I noticed that as well...
@Ben do you attribute this BE stretch to something along the lines of "that was bcak when I was a fish still" - i.e. I'm guessing there's been a decent skill increase over this sample?
Mentally I can't imagine it was too fun grinding out 300k hands and getting no where... :s
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Originally Posted by dingdongdonkey
Just for clarification, I´m talking about breaking even in terms of EV (hands 150,000 to 450,000 - you may have won the odd $2,000, but you get my point).
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Originally Posted by Labax
The "back when I was a fish" still somehow had 10bb/100 for 150k hands at the start.
Like tbh I think it's always easy when on heaters for people to look at other graphs and be like "it's not possible to BE for this long and play good" etc. I think part of it comes down to the subconscious telling the person it cant happen to them. Variance is actually stupidly sick when you look at it, I know I've been guilty of burying my head in the sand when running good and thinking bad stretches aren't possible "if I keep playing this well" but it's just bs.
Can just be some serious lol variance mixed with not playing as well during downers which is the case for pretty much everyone.
Like I think this is why mental game is so so important, I don't think many people could drag themselves out of bed 200k hands in this breakeven stretch and tell themselves it's going to be fine, so much negative energy would have been stirred up over this time through bad habits it would likely be Gg.
Anyway, interested to hear your thoughts, sorry for the ramble
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Originally Posted by deathorglory0
Variance of this kind isn't a new thing.
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Originally Posted by pokerarb
This is a good post. It took 7 years but when I'm "crushing" I now remind myself to enjoy the good runs/good times while it lasts b/c the next 100k b/e might begin tomorrow. When it comes - it always does - only thing to do is focus on getting the best table selection and keep grinding thru. I also think it's natural for people to work harder on their game in the bad times and look for spots to improve in. (And during the good times to just show up make x buyin and think, wow this is easy).
Also @meale you should hope this happens to you one day. Just means you've played this silly game long enough for it to happen!
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Originally Posted by GrimIsCool
Really highlights the importance of BRM when you're starting out as well. Bena's clearly an accomplished player where such a stretch is actually only break-even, whereas a less experienced player could be playing their theoretical "best" poker but could end up on 100k losing stretch.
All interesting points and i agree with bits and pieces.
The thing i'd say is to notice that the immediate go-to place is that of, 'oh you broke even for 300k hands, that must've been tough', rather than 'sick that you won at 12bb for 150k hands and then you had a greatly overdue breakeven stretch'.
I suggest that using your overall winrate is the best/easiest way to maintain sanity, rather than looking at graphs (of course i'm guilty for that too cus we obv love looking at sexy graphs).
As a couple people said, variance is a sick beast. I've played this game long enough now, probably like 8-9 million hands lifetime, so i'm pretty desensitised to breakeven/downswing/upswing periods. But don't get me wrong, good mental game is an absolute must in this climate. You'll get eaten alive if you tilt. In 2018 we're gunna swing ridiculous amounts with winrates being lower, players being better and having no rakeback. Just gotta make sure you find that nuclear heat every once in a while
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Made a pretty epic regrind today with delicious volume again. 11 bucka in the bank
orange line says ive run good here, but i don't think it's very fair
Preflop: Hero is UTG with K Q
Hero raises to $10.25, MP raises to $38.25, CO folds, BTN raises to $115, 2 folds, Hero raises to $205, MP folds, BTN calls $90
the sickest thing is that one of the biggest winners in one of the toughest games in the world is very humble. Usually people that achieve that much success are super cocky, I haven't read bena saying someone was bad here even once