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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Can you explain your thoughts/ sizing in the last hand? What if btn overlimped?
What if KQo?
Trying to equate this to live poker where it's 13 limps to me in the bb with QJs.
I think this is actually a relatively common spot in live cash games. I think as long as the following criteria are met I would isolate this, rather than limp, and for a very large sizing to ensure this gets HU.
1. There are no limp re-raisers UTG.
2. UTG's EP limping range is not super strong (AQ, KJs etc), such that we invite a cascade of cold-callers.
3. All of the effective stacks are > 100BB. I think this one is probably the most important.
4. I have a good winning table image.
5. There are no more than 3-4 major VIPs in the game.
I think while checking Q
J
in the BB is completely fine, here's why I prefer raising:
1. We have initiative.
2. QJs is such a fantastic hand to barrel vs weak ranges (on many flop textures we'll have at least a couple of back-door straight draws, which mesh well with our perceived range i.e. if a K comes off on a 9xx board.)
3. We can "rep" any A or K.
4. Its a relatively nutty hand that can over-flush and over-straight strong holdings, although yes people do like to overlimp suited aces and kings.
5. If we raise to £20 over 8 limpers in a £1/£2 say, our raise needs to work about 60% of the time. I think this is large enough where it just about works enough of the time, apart from the most exceptional of games. Remember the LP over-limpers are going to be extremely wide here with things like 85s, 96s, Q4s etc as well as pocket-pairs they'll auto-call with. If you've seen UTG limp in with some rather "speculative" things like Q8o, this is a print money raise.
The range I'd probably do this with in the BB would be something like:
AA,KK,QQ,JJ,
TT
AKs,AQs,
AJs
KQs,
KJs
QJs
AKo,
AQo,
AJo
The hands I put in red are extremely close, and I would probably lean towards just checking especially AJo.
It really doesnt have that much playability in deep multi-way pots, and is generally good for a couple of medium streets of value in these type of spots i.e. it doesnt mind seeing a flop multi-way (i.e. as long as we're relatively cautious we can get some nice value from random overlimped Ax etc). This probably seems extremely nitty but I might even check AQo and TT for the same reasons, especially TT. I'm generally not nitty enough to check AQo though personally.
Sorry for the thread hijack!