Problem w pio wasnt really teh education moar like opening teh door to bots

more like a high-speed express elevator

Jungle diff

I personally disagree that you need to be grinding solvers to keep up with the curve nowadays... The amount of times I've seen guys playing against a 60/9/3 guy who make a mistake and then go into Pio and are like "lol played it perfectly, guess I just got unlucky" is ridiculous. If you run a flop in Pio and input the cbet size you used in the hand, and Pio says villain should raise 30% of the time, and you don't bother nodelocking that, you're just wasting time imo.

FlopZilla > all poker tools ever ainec

^ You know that no one in their right mind sims hands vs 60/9/3 whales, don't you?

They definitely do. And that's my point!

rapidesh, but I guess that doesnt change what you just said

whats your point? obviously some people are gonna use it incorrectly and im sure you dont need pio for chinese apps (that play almost the same as live games), but the higher the stakes, the more essential it is for your study process to be effective. Sure, I bet there are plenty midstakes+ guys that make it without a solver, but Im also certain they'd do way better if they invested in one.

Whales are the best ones to rum sims on, man. Obv won't run vs a 60 vpip guy because of how wide he is pf. But vs 40/30 and 20/10 fish and bad regs it's good.

Obv I run those sims with already some assumptions and node locking in mind, I know what I'm looking for. Now to just study equilibrium it's just a waste of time vs those guys.

I think the key point that Harvey is making is that without node-locking, PIO is pretty dust against a lot of the player pool. And node locking is subjective and assumptive, as most people's opinions on other people in their games are full of confirmation bias over a tiny sample size.

The other side of the coin is that people who claim to play exploitative without at least a very good idea of what GTO looks like (therein knowing what they are trying to deviate from and how) are just ****ing clicking buttons.

lol I never ran any sims to figure out how to play vs whales, when I say keeping up with the curve I mean keep up with regulars at mid/high stakes

don't think you absolutely need pio if you play nl200 and below, you can get away with a lot of shenanigans and there are plenty of recs to make up for your mistakes vs better regs

nodelocking is hands down the most overrated thing about pio

pretty much this.

if you want to play higher then gooooooooooooooooodluck.

coming from a man whos ran 15 sims in my life and always won at 200z/100z. Tried to regbattle 400nl normal last year and definitely could feel i felt a bit lost. probably still a winner though given games play 99% of the time only if theres a fish.


As long as youre good at estimating where about you are in your range then youre pretty good to go at SSNL

what about if you want to justify your cl2 plays to yourself?!

node lock or sean lock

Nodelocking vs good regs is good too, no human can play like pio and even the best regs will end up exploitable in some spots by blocker RNG

Just run a sim SB vs btn 3-bet, double barrel on K2699ssrrr and force IP to bluff more Asxs combos OTR when checked to, it will force OOP to choose a more exploitative blocker approach and it will increase the EV that IP calls a triple with AQss by a decent amount. Here it was -1bb call and went to +3bb(not this texture but a similar one). Now think about how many bbs you can squeeze in that spot even vs a top reg just by selecting your blockers a bit better if you anticipate they're using blockers to dictate their checks or bets, which is somewhat easy to figure out the regs that do that(crushers) and those who don't(regfish).

node lock or insta lock

I have never been a fan of nodelocking either, you can just end up exploiting yourself so hard by making assumptions that can be way off

You don't need to make huge assumptions while node locking, you can lock a strat, see how pio plays vs it (expecting your opponent will play that new equilibrium made vs your first lock) and see how it goes from there, how you will play differently on different turns and rivers.

Also you can use it to see how pio plays vs your strat, if the solution is very hard to figure out and you don't expect villain to do that or EV loss is minimal, you can play that strat and challenge him to come up with a response vs that.

Just sim the example I posted in my last post, it's practical and simple, you won't end up playing wild west poker by studying that.

I mean to me it always felt pretty intuitive how pio would deviate from equilibrium when nodelocking, like if you remove bluffs it will fold more, if you make it c-bet more than it should then you raise more often etc.

I think learning where equilibrium lies is a lot more important than figuring out the perfect explo strat from nodelocking

Node logging shoot me now thank god i quit this...

Yeah, but do you know how many more hands it will fold? Vs very light overbluffs ott the best defense vs that is by just expanding your calling range or raising more as a bluff and thin value? Vs overprotected x back ranges with TPWK, what's the best sizing we should go with our probes and how thin? Vs villains who will play more passive otr, what should we do OTT to punish him? If we overbet the flop at a certain texture and villain plays with 0 x/r vs that, how lighter should we cbet vs that and how passive should we play the turn?

Those answers you will get with nodelocking only or a very creative mind and lots of thought into it, locking in pio is obv more efficient than that.

Funny how the Bovada and China regs think you don't need PIO.

If you are dumb enough to run a sim vs a whale, PIO isn't going to help you.

definitely sean lock
carrot in a box all day

Not all curves are equal, that's for sure.