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K6 we mix river I think, probably with a higher frequency check than with stuff like 66 - although his flop sizing giving him a more polar range means he has fewer combos of A2/A6 type hands, there's still more merit to xc because of it.
4b with KJ seems bad IMO.

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02-19-2016 , 01:12 PM

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K6, w-e OTR, doesn't rly matter.

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02-19-2016 , 01:27 PM

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Guess it depends on how many spade FDs you raise flop with. If we have lots of bluff combos on river then jamming seems good. Makes his life pretty tough with bluff catchers. But nobody puts front door FDs in their chk/raising range anymore, so maybe chk/call better.

Watch much of the Welsh Open by the way? I know you're not a Ronnie fan, but he's playing unreal snooker right now.

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02-19-2016 , 01:32 PM

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On closer look, jamming seems they higher freq play and we only start to play a lot of checks if he starts to go out of line with some low Ax.

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02-19-2016 , 01:33 PM

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This factor isn't even on the table when we are thinking of river actions, our missed FDs are sitting in a bar waiting for us to make a decision without them.

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02-19-2016 , 01:46 PM

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Kangal_

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Yeah true. What I mean is that how we compose our flop chk/raising range has a pretty big effect on river frequencies.

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02-19-2016 , 02:23 PM

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I actually barely ever mix rivers. Obviously we shouldn't really mix anywhere in practice, because one action is obviously going to be higher EV than the other given who we are playing against. On flops and turns, hard to figure out what that is sometimes, on rivers, not so hard, so no real big reason to mix heavily. I would check here.

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02-19-2016 , 02:43 PM

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PUSSY!

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02-19-2016 , 03:09 PM

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the EV of jamming is probably slightly bigger than the EV of checking on this river, considering that he's not gonna turn SDV into a bluff often enough to x/c imo, and still has worse hands that will call river enough for the times we are beat by 43ss AA AK A5ss sets

but the highest EV will probably be something like beting around 1/2 pot if you ask me

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02-19-2016 , 03:18 PM

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u mister are too correct to post strat, go away.. atleast disguise it as a level.....

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02-19-2016 , 04:29 PM

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Thought kj4b was a bit much too but reads warrant it at low freq

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02-19-2016 , 07:00 PM

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K6o hand: isn't puking on that river the more obvious play?

But seriously what worse hand is calling?

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02-20-2016 , 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TimTamBiscuit

K6o hand: isn't puking on that river the more obvious play?

But seriously what worse hand is calling?

Since its 2016 id assume any ace and all strong kings... i have to see a reg fold a river yet this year but its still early

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02-20-2016 , 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TimTamBiscuit

K6o hand: isn't puking on that river the more obvious play?

But seriously what worse hand is calling?

If he cbets all Kx , i would say that K4/K3 calls at a very high frequency, KQ/KJ probs around mid 50s, and Asx probably around 90%, and also all worse 2p combos , and wouldnt be crazy to assume that 5x combos call from 5-10%. Betting seems much better than checking

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02-20-2016 , 06:37 AM

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STAAAHPPP!

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02-20-2016 , 07:37 AM

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PlasticElephant

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Anyone calling rivers with mixed frequencies at 600nl is not all there imo

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02-20-2016 , 08:48 AM

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hewasestimatinghowpoolplays

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02-20-2016 , 11:03 AM

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lol KQ is calling 1% not 50%, not sure why anyone would want or need to call 1 pair hands now...

river is pretty gross but kinda correct punish for raising the flop, not the biggest fan of it tbh, lacks a bit of a plan is on all spades and T J Q K A turns and rivers imo, you can barely win stax anymore

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02-20-2016 , 11:35 AM

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lol

maybe, but people like calling

maybe im off on the KQ tho, was just trying to give a rough guess, proably wont call as light as i said, but KQ type hands surely wont call just 1%

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02-20-2016 , 12:34 PM

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Tonna hasnt been around for a while

Belaruss snaps that jam w KQ harder than moast fishes snap a preflop jam w AJo (at least teh bots...)

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02-20-2016 , 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by doctor877

hewasestimatinghowpoolplays

yes, i wasn't trying to talk about mixed frequencies at all

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Belaruss snaps that jam w KQ harder than moast fishes snap a preflop jam w AJo (at least teh bots...)

think that most regs wouldn't fold KQ tbh and those guys would snap any pair

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02-20-2016 , 08:41 PM

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calling KQ only 1% is ******ed lol

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02-20-2016 , 10:10 PM

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dg4

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i'd guess k6 is almost always an xc

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02-20-2016 , 11:03 PM

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TonnaMunz

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haha def possible I am out of touch but villain has so much to call.
KK, 66, 22, 62s, K6, k2s, K5, AA, AK. Its not like ben is XRing flop 25% and shoving all spades now, even bens 43cc gets there which is probably always in the XR range. Calling KQ now is a big unnecessary losing play and most 600nl bots know that

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