Good luck

Weekly Update

Not to much to report this week. Same as usual.




I'm happy the NFL is back. Unfortunately, my favorite team the Colts lost today, but it's so nice to watch football again.

Let's hope for some run good this week!

Let’s go! #gobills!

Keep going strong!

Weekly Update

Ran pretty well this week. Due to week 1 of football and a hike I went on yesterday, I didn't play my normal volume though.




I am planning to play a lot this week to get back on track for the month. Hopefully the run good continues!

Good luck at 100z

Weekly Update

Rough week. Couldn't really get anything going. It happens.




On to the next week. Let's finish the month strong!

Good luck next week, just variance bro keep playing !

gl dude

Weekly/Monthy Update

Sorry for the delay. I was waiting until the end of the month to update.

Last week:



September results:



Goals for September were:

- 75k hands [X]
- Mark hands while playing to review []
- 15-20 hours of PIO work/week []
- Discuss hands with friends daily [X]

Overall, it was a pretty disappointing month again. Not only did I not have a winning month, I closed the 90 day group I formed last month. Out of the 8 people that started and committed to working together only two really put in the effort.

It's safe to say this year of poker hasn't gone as well as I hoped it would. As a result this thread has also not been what I hoped it would be. What scares me is if I can't break through the stakes with all the time, effort, coaches courses, etc. how will the average person be able to? Especially when I am fortunate to have a lot of free time and no financial or family stress. I hope I am able to figure it out so I will be able to help others who are in the same situation. I know on 2+2 if you read some threads you would think poker is easy and you are stupid for being stuck at these stakes. The reality is it's a lot harder than people make it seem. It's not 2008 and it's only getting tougher. You could say well you play on PokerStars. Just play on soft sites and you'll be fine. But it's not about that for me. It's more about improving and feeling like I am making progress.

My goals for October will be to play a little less volume. Mainly because it's Curling season and I will be playing a few times a week. Also, I am going to try and find another coach or CFP I think. I'm not too excited about another deal, but if I want to improve I am not sure what else to do. It will have to be the perfect fit though after my previous experiences. Hopefully I can finish the year strong.

October goals:

- 50k hands
- Mark hands while playing to review
- 15-20 hours of PIO work/week
- Find a new coach or CFP

Weekly Update

Been a tough 20-30k hand stretch. Not too much volume like I said in my last post. I will try to make up for it this week.

Weekly Update

Another losing week. Same as usual.




I think I am going to take a couple weeks off playing and decide if I am going to continue to play. So I might not update for a while. I also will be travelling to a football game this week for my birthday.

It just has not been the year I hoped it would be. I started playing poker seriously again around this time 2 years ago. My main goal was to make extra money to reinvest back into my business and some other new ventures. Also, being the competitive person I am, I wanted to see how high I could go. Just playing for money wasn't enough or as satisfying as being one of the best would be. Instead, I probably would've made more money and saved more time by putting that time into my business. I love poker, but at the same time I have to be realistic. I've tried everything I possibly could to succeed at this game and it has not worked out. Maybe it just isn't meant to be. But if I can't figure it out, how will the average person these days? People say just play soft sites or play for rake back. That's a short term fix to the problem. Also, I've said multiple times in the thread stars has the lowest effective rake for cash and the games are a lot softer than people realize. I've gotten coaches, tried multiple strategies, put so much time into studying and playing and still am in the same spot I was a year and a half ago. Even though I want to succeed at this game more than anything, I just don't think I can continue to go through this anymore.

Pretty brutal stretch mate, good idea taking a break for a while imo!
Im not sure who you were coached by in the past, but if you do decide to keep playing id suggest getting a coach who has a proven track record of moving people up the stakes.

GLGL anyway, rooting for you!

+1, and go get your money back. The coach sucks hard

I wonder if it can be just variance. You see guys with good 4bb+ years, while others with solid strategy still struggle. It's zoom so variance is much higher.
I think Zoom is a rake trap though, but as Canadian you have access to the good pools.
My only advice is to keep doing daily reviews, if nothing else, just review the losing pots and make sure there's no big errors.

I mean it's not impossible that some guys just get bad year in zoom? When you're winning. it's easy to build up the momentum from there and play better.

I doubt it's variance, but even if it was I'd prefer to have a win rate where it's almost impossible to go through long break even/losing streaks. Like 5bb+. I still believe it's possible to achieve that is 2019-2020.

That is basically my daily routine right now. Play, mark hands, review them in PIO, then every week or so review big pots. I feel like my leaks are things I am not aware of and my last CFP the coaches couldn't/wouldn't really help me find those leaks. They would give me a few small things to work on, but we never got to the root of the problem in my opinion.

Again could I just play softer sites or table select more? Sure. But is that helping me long term?

play less tables, would deff help dude!!

You would think that the best way to increase your win rate with the least amount of effort would be for the coaches in the CFP program to identify and plug your biggest leaks. This would have greatly benefited everyone concerned.

Could you post your positional win rates for 50nl and 100nl please?

GL

That's the problem with the CFP programs. They show you just the success stories, but you never know what's the percentage of the guys who really make significant progress during the CFP. From the guys who give up you mostly never hear anything.

And crushing midstakes doesn't mean that you are a good coach as you can see in OPs case. It takes way more than just beating the game to lead ppl to higher stakes.

Probably would be better saying nothing at all- but I will make one reply in this thread only and only deal with absolute facts now that OP has cherry picked some chat logs which do not shine a positive light on me.

It was mystifying to me that OP wasn't winning, he seemed a solid player, and in coaching 100+ students there has never been anyone I have been more confused as to why they are not winning. Obviously he is not an elite player, but 100nl is not an elite game, and I definitely thought he should be winning.
Game selection and playing less were the only really major leaks I could see.

OP received in 7 months:
- 9 hours of 1-1, a lot of which were with a 2knl reg, many with myself, and actually extra coaching beyond contractual obligations to try to help him get out this stretch.
- Access to 32 group coaching sessions, where each month we build and explain a gameplan in a different spot.
- Countless opportunities to watch me play 200-500 live with commentary and ask questions, or rail the study coaches do every day.
- 2600 words of strategic feedback/ database review in his personal channel from the coaches. We do not tend to waste our time typing nonsense. In addition there were obviously private conversations between each coach and the OP, it transpired sometimes covering the exact same topic multiple times, a concept we normally explain only once to our students.
- Obviously the countless daily interaction with the coaches and top tier students in the public discord channels.

Obviously given his results, OP received all of the above for free.

The decision OP eventually made, to leave the programme and forfeit the effectually free coaching and video content he would get for the remainder of the contract is not the decision making of a rational individual.

We are not 100% successful, poker is too difficult a game for that - but we have a track record of our format working.
I obviously take personal responsibility for our lack of success with OP. He is an outlier for us in terms of negative results, and it's triggered us to change how we do things a lot this next year.

This is a "problem" with any coaching. Its not usually the fault of CFP or coaches. If you go into coaching/cfp thinking its 100% success you will be an idiot. A lot of the time its on the individual not being able to apply themselves properly. And some things just dont work for people

As for the last part, i was never part of their cfp but i used to talk strat a lot with the coaches a few years ago, they were always good at articulating strat/problems/ranges etc. I could only imagine their game and the way they communicate with students has got even better over time.




gl op

I agree. Just because a coach is a winning player doesn't mean they are a good coach.

It's not to say that nobody can succeed in a CFP. I know some who have. It's just I think poker coaching should be more individualistic. Watching live plays, general theory videos, group coaching on a topic, etc. will all help. But I don't think it's the most efficient way to improve.

I think diving deep into the students database, reviewing live plays, reviewing random batches of hands (That are not marked. So you can find leaks the student doesn't know they have.) would all be a lot more of an efficient way to improve and move up. The problem is most CFPs won't give you enough 1 on 1 time to truly do that because it takes a lot of time and they have a lot of students. Also, to be fair, it's not specified in the contract they have to. It would take more time upfront, but I would assume it would be less work later and it would be in their best interests to do more of that because the more money the student makes the more money the coaches make.

Some CFPs pay their coaches by the hour. So they market join a CFP and don't hire a coach because the CFP will care more. I haven't found that to be the case yet.

I will take some of the blame too. I could've maybe participated a bit more in my past CFPs. Or been more open to taking advice and changing my game. However, I prefer to not just blindly follow a coach's advice. Even if they are further ahead of me. I want to know why or how they came to that conclusion. I also think I put in a lot more time and volume than the average student. Most students just expect to be given all the answers. That definitely was not me. I did want to figure out what was going on. Like PlasticElephant said my last CFP they had no clue and it's frustrating when I am trying to do the right thing, but still not seeing results.

Hey man. Been lurking since the start of this thread and been hoping for you to turn it around every single week. Mainly because I feel we're similar in a lot of ways (playing the same stakes, being competitive, wanting to improve and maintain a high wr etc.).

I've also been down the CFP path without much success. Over my last 300k hands at 100z I've got an evbb of 1.40, and my actual bb/100 is 0.06. Enough to drive anyone insane. At this point it truly does feel like I'm trying the exact same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. I'm at a crossroads now and might gg poker for good since I'm just as demoralized and frustrated as you appear to be.

Poker is tough.

It definitely is. However, if I ever turn it around it will be a good story. I basically documented a whole year of losing haha. Not sure I have it in me to give it another go. We will see.

Fwiw I was on PlasticElephants cfp and Ive been coached by him plenty, I would recommend him with my eyes closed, he is deff a baller as far as coaching, willingness and theory. he is by far a coach that goes beyond whats expected of him.

I would still say play less tables