Ya, you have this concept backwards.
The reason for opening smaller in EP is that you’re going to play lots of pots OOP, so you lose less when you fold to 3 bets, and you don’t bloat OOP pots unnecessarily preflop.
I tend to use 2.2x in LJ/HJ, 2.3x in CO and 2.5 OtB. The idea is you’re more okay with a bigger pot when you’re more likely to play IP.
Going 3x OtB is probably going to get more folds than you’d prefer IP I think.

You could really also just simplify and use 2.5x from all positions except sb, where I’d recommend to continue using 3x, or something very close to that size.

Played some live plo yesterday and will be today and tomorrow as well then back to this project. Should wrap out 30k by end of weekend and I feel I am at a break-even to very marginally winning pace at this point at nl25.

Still very optimistic about completing challenge on schedule. Hoping to solidify some things Im working on the way to 40k hands then hopefully will be able to add 5th table.

Looking through history here are some of the hands I have lost the most -/100 on which sort of surprises me: A9os, KQs, QTs, Q8os, J9s, T8s, 97s, A7os. Most of these have a pattern of being mid str connected and 1 gappers in the 7-K range often suited. I’m probably three betting these too often, playing them oop too often, and getting overly aggressive with draw combos vs some big hands.

Played a very short session 1.5-2hr tonight after playing live just to test out two small changes before tomorrow and Sundays longer sessions.

1) I’ve decided to open all positions 2.4x except sb 3x into bb. Reason being I can’t seem to custom set fast sizes (buttons) on ACR so it’s much easier for me to stick with the 2.4x.

2) For the sake of sizing decisions and ease of eventually ^ stakes, I’ve changed to bb as shown default stack rather than the $ option I was using. This sounds like an inconsequential change but it has taken some getting used to. Now that I’ve got it down it’s far easier.

good session today, I had some big bluff spots I felt were adequately constructed get herod by recs so that sucked but did hold in a super deep spot AA > KK all in pre; considered 2.5x back at his 4bet bc we were so deep but thought that turn my hand face up so jam like I might AKs (probably never this deep).

still posting bb only hands for this and next session

H1) I think this is fine. could fold river but I dont think thats necessary?
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
CO ($25.70) [VPIP: 28.9% | PFR: 18.8% | AGG: 25% | Hands: 309]
BTN ($59.92) [VPIP: 25.4% | PFR: 18.4% | AGG: 32.9% | Hands: 1181]
SB ($23.80) [VPIP: 18.6% | PFR: 12.7% | AGG: 22.1% | Flop Agg: 25% | Turn Agg: 9.5% | River Agg: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 2.6% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 226]
HERO ($26.57) [VPIP: 30.1% | PFR: 20.4% | AGG: 32% | Flop Agg: 29.1% | Turn Agg: 36.9% | River Agg: 31.7% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | 4-Bet: 11% | Cold Call: 19.3% | Hands: 32522]

Dealt to Hero: 9 9

CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $0.80, HERO Calls $0.55

Hero SPR on Flop: [14.38 effective]
Flop ($1.60): 3 2 3
SB Bets $1.80 (Rem. Stack: $21.20), HERO Calls $1.80 (Rem. Stack: $23.97)

Turn ($5.20): 3 2 3 7
SB Bets $2.60 (Rem. Stack: $18.60), HERO Calls $2.60 (Rem. Stack: $21.37)

River ($10.40): 3 2 3 7 3
SB Bets $10.40 (Rem. Stack: $8.20), HERO Calls $10.40 (Rem. Stack: $10.97)



H2)should maybe let him keep betting but he was playing a shorter stack and thought he might gii w/any over Xdimond
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($10) [VPIP: 21% | PFR: 17.7% | AGG: 38.3% | Flop Agg: 36.8% | 3-Bet: 9.7% | 4-Bet: 21.4% | Hands: 1074]
SB ($28.15) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 14.2% | AGG: 18.3% | Hands: 260]
HERO ($25) [VPIP: 30.1% | PFR: 20.4% | AGG: 32% | Flop Agg: 29.1% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | 4-Bet: 11% | Cold Call: 19.3% | Hands: 32522]
HJ ($40.73) [VPIP: 15.1% | PFR: 12.3% | AGG: 20% | Hands: 74]
CO ($35.07) [VPIP: 43.6% | PFR: 28.2% | AGG: 34.5% | Hands: 166]

Dealt to Hero: 7 5

HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.62, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.37

Hero SPR on Flop: [7 effective]
Flop ($1.34): Q A 4
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $0.59 (Rem. Stack: $8.79), HERO Raises To $2.48 (Rem. Stack: $21.90), BTN Folds



H3)usually fold pre but wanted to play hands vs this guy; I think I could turn into bluff I have so many spade flush and straights but figured I had too much sdv and needed to x.
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($25) [VPIP: 20.9% | PFR: 17.3% | AGG: 33.4% | Hands: 1730]
SB ($27.65) [VPIP: 31.1% | PFR: 20.8% | AGG: 30.6% | Hands: 107]
HERO ($25.78) [VPIP: 30.1% | PFR: 20.4% | AGG: 32% | Flop Agg: 29.1% | Turn Agg: 36.9% | River Agg: 31.7% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | 4-Bet: 11% | Hands: 32522]
HJ ($31.98) [VPIP: 23.5% | PFR: 14.7% | AGG: 38.5% | Hands: 34]
CO ($25.64) [VPIP: 37.1% | PFR: 10.5% | AGG: 23% | Flop Agg: 26.5% | Turn Agg: 26.9% | River Agg: 8.7% | 3-Bet: 1% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 294]

Dealt to Hero: 8 T

HJ Folds, CO Checks, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Checks

Hero SPR on Flop: [73.26 effective]
Flop ($0.35): 9 4 8
HERO Checks, CO Bets $0.57 (Rem. Stack: $25.07), HERO Calls $0.57 (Rem. Stack: $24.96)

Turn ($1.49): 9 4 8 5
HERO Checks, CO Bets $1.66 (Rem. Stack: $23.41), HERO Calls $1.66 (Rem. Stack: $23.30)

River ($4.81): 9 4 8 5 7
HERO Checks, CO Checks

NHs. I'm mostly 3b 99 bvb but calling vs nit is probably fine. H2 i think you have to always xr to get value from pr+diamond hands plus so many turn cards are bad for us and put you in a weird spot so I like the way you played it.

crossed 30k hands, very flat but I think there will be a noticeable difference in the next 10k hands which should be enough to allow me to add 5th table.





had some fun with this guy who was steaming from getting 2 outered (not by me) on another table ...had just shown AKos after 4bet jamming him off his button !3 pre

Gotta double check but I think I lost like -$400 first 10k hands, -$200 second 10k hands, and something like -$120 3rd 10k so def knocking at the door and think that 4th set be profit town at nl25.

in, GLGL OP

nice hands. H3 fold turn esp with no redraw, as (despite a small sample) one of this player`s mistakes appears to be not playing aggressively enough turns / rivers. board might be wet, but even whack players are going to recognize this as a bad range turn facing bb, and will be inclined to slow down. he has overbet, I snapfold. weare also not a solver, so it will be hard to play tons of rivers.

what is going on pre lol pot is less than 2bb on flop, did you manually put this in?

lmao, imagine the sorry state of this guy for 99 to flat pre and consider folding river.

considering sb is 18/12 and is triple barreling on this board, starting with a flop overbet, I don`t think it`s ridiculous at all

lol actually look at his stats, sb is a ****ing nit

Thx ...Aye limited sample but yes he’s nitty hence the flat pre where I’d sometimes look to !3. Still, dude showed up with TT so he has other pairs here and probably finds some bets with his busted draws so it is a close spot I think. I was sort of surprised he go for that sizing with his actual hand I expected to see bluffs and stronger.

Naw idk what’s up with that tbh I converted them right from database. H3 Idk I block some str and 2p combos I think I just should have repped the ton of str and flshs I have on river and led for 2/3...maybe he call anyways he was rec.

I think if I have Ts I’m more confident to bet river, maybe even slightly over pot.

Was worth considering bc guy really tight but I might be underrep otr think have to call bc so many worse hands I’ll be folding.

is it a limped pot or a srp? you said you would normally fold pre is the reason for the question

honestly in 99 hand underrepping isn`t really a big deal because 1-alpha is useless vs nits and you don`t dominate value with exception of 88 / questionably played 7x. you`re probably not indifferent against a range that is polar that doesn`t include enough bluffs (weak nit) and has lots of superior hands that will go 3 streets

lmao, just re-read my post and realised it looks like i'm flaming you, OP. sorry!

was supposed to mean that villain must be so pathetic for yo uto have to take this line.

photos of a computer screen itt

All good lol yeah I was actually surprised he was a weak as TT otr I would have snap fold if so many draws didn’t brick but in retrospect idk if this dude has river bluffs I neee bigger sample on him.

only the finest

disappointing session today managed to lose under two buyin and that was running at about half all in ev. the problem was i just played really poorly and undisciplined, ignoring some of the structure I have been trying to employ and mostly opening too wide and calling !3s too light pre. also made some bluffs that were not terribly constructed but lacked blockers. fortunately I have only felt this way about my play for two sessions (including this one) during this challenge, still 0 would be ideal.

here are 3 hhs from bb position on session

H1)
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HJ ($38.42) [VPIP: 38% | PFR: 31% | AGG: 28.2% | Flop Agg: 22.9% | Turn Agg: 37.8% | River Agg: 22.2% | 3-Bet: 14.9% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 228]
CO ($16.13) [VPIP: 18.8% | PFR: 14.6% | AGG: 31% | Hands: 100]
BTN ($68.37) [VPIP: 26.2% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 34.9% | Hands: 831]
SB ($10.10) [VPIP: 20.1% | PFR: 9.5% | AGG: 26.3% | Flop Agg: 24.1% | Turn Agg: 43.8% | River Agg: 8.3% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 50% | Cold Call: 20.8% | Hands: 193]
HERO ($39.65) [VPIP: 30.1% | PFR: 20.4% | AGG: 31.8% | Flop Agg: 28.7% | Turn Agg: 36.8% | River Agg: 31.5% | 3-Bet: 10.8% | 4-Bet: 10.9% | Cold Call: 19.3% | Hands: 34194]

Dealt to Hero: J T

HJ Raises To $0.60, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Calls $0.50, HERO Calls $0.35

Hero SPR on Flop: [5.28 effective]
Flop ($1.80): K J J
SB Checks, HERO Bets $0.90 (Rem. Stack: $38.15), HJ Calls $0.90 (Rem. Stack: $36.92), SB Calls $0.90 (Rem. Stack: $8.60)

Turn ($4.50): K J J 3
SB Checks, HERO Bets $2.25 (Rem. Stack: $35.90), HJ Calls $2.25 (Rem. Stack: $34.67), SB Raises To $8.60 (allin), HERO Calls $6.35 (Rem. Stack: $29.55), HJ Folds

River ($23.95): K J J 3 3

Players agreed to run it 2 times.

Flop #2($23.95): K J J

Turn #2($23.95): K J J 3

River #2($23.95): K J J 3 5




H2)
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
CO ($18.11) [VPIP: 26.9% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 31.6% | Hands: 74]
BTN ($56.53) [VPIP: 26.2% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 34.9% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 31.3% | River Agg: 43.8% | 3-Bet: 6.5% | 4-Bet: 11.8% | Hands: 831]
SB ($14.75) [VPIP: 20.1% | PFR: 9.5% | AGG: 26.3% | Hands: 193]
HERO ($25.35) [VPIP: 30.1% | PFR: 20.4% | AGG: 31.8% | Flop Agg: 28.7% | Turn Agg: 36.8% | River Agg: 31.5% | 3-Bet: 10.8% | 4-Bet: 10.9% | Cold Call: 19.3% | Hands: 34194]

Dealt to Hero: T 7

CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.70, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.45

Hero SPR on Flop: [16.43 effective]
Flop ($1.50): K T K
HERO Checks, BTN Checks

Turn ($1.50): K T K 3
HERO Checks, BTN Checks

River ($1.50): K T K 3 J
HERO Bets $0.37 (Rem. Stack: $24.28), BTN Calls $0.37 (Rem. Stack: $55.46)



H3)
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($25) [VPIP: 21.6% | PFR: 17.5% | AGG: 30% | Hands: 1268]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 20.8% | PFR: 17.2% | AGG: 32.7% | Hands: 1955]
HERO ($64.74) [VPIP: 30.1% | PFR: 20.4% | AGG: 31.8% | Flop Agg: 28.7% | Turn Agg: 36.8% | River Agg: 31.5% | 3-Bet: 10.8% | 4-Bet: 10.9% | Cold Call: 19.3% | Hands: 34194]
HJ ($26.98) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 25.6% | AGG: 30% | Flop Agg: 60% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 18.8% | 4-Bet: 100% | Hands: 45]
CO ($42.84) [VPIP: 34.9% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 47.7% | Flop Agg: 52% | Turn Agg: 45.5% | River Agg: 37.5% | 3-Bet: 9.8% | 4-Bet: 25% | Cold Call: 19.2% | Hands: 261]

Dealt to Hero: Q 7

HJ Raises To $0.85, CO Calls $0.85, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.60

Hero SPR on Flop: [9.86 effective]
Flop ($2.65): 2 Q J
HERO Checks, HJ Checks, CO Bets $1.32 (Rem. Stack: $40.67), HERO Calls $1.32 (Rem. Stack: $62.57), HJ Folds

Turn ($5.29): 2 Q J K
HERO Checks, CO Bets $2.64 (Rem. Stack: $38.03), HERO Calls $2.64 (Rem. Stack: $59.93)

River ($10.57): 2 Q J K K
HERO Checks, CO Bets $5.28 (Rem. Stack: $32.75), HERO Calls $5.28 (Rem. Stack: $54.65)

another day felt playing too lose and not composed, once again while running bad which further complicates it. gotta take a day off and review then come in fresh and play much more solid wed and rest of week. here were a few odd hands from the session. I deff felt like I was trying to force things too much, had sort of a mental pressure to have good session and largely for that reason did not.

H1)bad flat from me pre =
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($25) [VPIP: 21.8% | PFR: 19.9% | AGG: 20.9% | Flop Agg: 25% | Turn Agg: 20.7% | River Agg: 14.3% | 3-Bet: 11% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 277]
SB ($30.36) [VPIP: 25.4% | PFR: 18.4% | AGG: 32.9% | Flop Agg: 30.7% | Turn Agg: 37.3% | River Agg: 31.5% | 3-Bet: 8.3% | Fold to 3-Bet: 28.6% | 4-Bet: 11.1% | Hands: 1181]
HERO ($25) [VPIP: 30% | PFR: 20.4% | AGG: 31.6% | Flop Agg: 28.6% | Turn Agg: 36.7% | River Agg: 31.2% | 3-Bet: 10.7% | 4-Bet: 11% | Cold Call: 19.2% | Hands: 35928]

Dealt to Hero: J A

BTN Raises To $0.60, SB Raises To $2, HERO Calls $1.75, BTN Calls $1.40

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.83 effective]
Flop ($6): A J 8
SB Checks, HERO Bets $4.30 (Rem. Stack: $18.70), BTN Calls $4.30 (Rem. Stack: $18.70), SB Folds

Turn ($14.60): A J 8 5
HERO Bets $18.70 (allin), BTN Calls $18.70 (allin)

River ($52): A J 8 5 2

Players agreed to run it 2 times.

Flop #2($52): A J 8

Turn #2($52): A J 8 5

River #2($52): A J 8 5 5




H2) V is a normally nit reg havent really seen him get ool, think I play this ok sucks but w/e
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($36.40) [VPIP: 23.2% | PFR: 16.8% | AGG: 30% | Flop Agg: 30.4% | Turn Agg: 26.2% | 3-Bet: 11.1% | Fold to 3-Bet: 54.5% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 404]
HERO ($87.52) [VPIP: 30% | PFR: 20.4% | AGG: 31.6% | Flop Agg: 28.6% | Turn Agg: 36.7% | 3-Bet: 10.7% | 4-Bet: 11% | Hands: 35928]
BB ($29.88) [VPIP: 24.5% | PFR: 16.8% | AGG: 38.3% | Hands: 4117]
CO ($28.30) [VPIP: 23.1% | PFR: 16.9% | AGG: 32.7% | Hands: 300]

Dealt to Hero: A K

CO Raises To $0.62, BTN Raises To $2.22, HERO Raises To $7.30, BB Folds, CO Folds, BTN Calls $5.08

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.88 effective]
Flop ($15.47): 9 A 7
HERO Bets $8.03 (Rem. Stack: $72.19), BTN Calls $8.03 (Rem. Stack: $21.07)

Turn ($31.53): 9 A 7 5
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $21.07 (allin), HERO Folds



H3) Vs a loose fish, will call off this spot w/any Ax and possibly Kx + why be scared of 3 here, went for max pain otr RIP

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HJ ($35.74) [VPIP: 25.1% | PFR: 18.8% | AGG: 32.2% | Hands: 246]
CO ($19.75) [VPIP: 55.1% | PFR: 26.5% | AGG: 48.2% | Flop Agg: 53.8% | Turn Agg: 44.4% | River Agg: 41.7% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 57.1% | Hands: 50]
HERO ($34.18) [VPIP: 30% | PFR: 20.4% | AGG: 31.6% | Flop Agg: 28.6% | Turn Agg: 36.7% | River Agg: 31.2% | 3-Bet: 10.7% | 4-Bet: 11% | Hands: 35928]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 25.6% | PFR: 18.9% | AGG: 35.3% | Hands: 381]
BB ($40.14) [VPIP: 18.6% | PFR: 12.7% | AGG: 22.1% | Hands: 226]

Dealt to Hero: A K

HJ Folds, CO Calls $0.25, HERO Raises To $0.98, SB Folds, BB Folds, CO Calls $0.73

Hero SPR on Flop: [8.13 effective]
Flop ($2.31): 3 K 3
CO Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($2.31): 3 K 3 6
CO Bets $0.57 (Rem. Stack: $18.20), HERO Calls $0.57 (Rem. Stack: $32.63)

River ($3.45): 3 K 3 6 A
CO Checks, HERO Bets $32.63 (allin), CO Calls $18.20 (allin)

ran poorly also w/AA < AK one board, AA v TT chop (2 boards), and AA v KQs chop (2 boards) +ran KK into AA all in pre and QQ into KK pre both in pretty standard spots.

time to review, relax, keep at it. probably go play 2-5 live tomorrow since I bleed money on this little project haha

I'd like to see your vpip and pfr start converging closer. Seems like you might still be doing some of the preflop things I and other posters told you to stop doing. I would think if you changed your strategy for 10-15k hands that your vp would have gone down a couple pips. Your pfr is good where it is.

I agree yet I have been def tightening up but it’s a mix of the prior build up of ^ VPIP and the now 3 sessions where I have been playing far too lose. Scrolling through last handful of sessions and still too lose been ballpark 25-27. As you might imagine there is some correlation between +$ in sessions I average lower vs those that average higher.

It is currently at 28.63-20.13-10.66 for nl 25

I’m defending fairly wide bvb and bb vs button as suggested by the gtowiz charts. Maybe I should slim it down in that area.

H1) fold pre
H2) Your sizings are really bad here.
H3) Just make it bigger and then bet bet bet vs fish

Agree w/ur points. I’m not sure the pre sizing would have made a difference H2 but I usually would 4x it oop on the !3. Otf I think the consensus is I should be leading small.