I thought need to call some Ax like this in bb vs position open for so small? Getting almost 4:1 to close action.


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Thx I will def go back over that


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I prefer just overbetting turn, but of course check raising is fine. I would go larger, you have lots of potential bluffs. ~3-3.2$ is fine. Then jamming river is quite standard, if he has A9 he has A8 which will probably call given he is likely a fish.

gl mate as well. Looks like you're playing way too loose. Get your hands on some good preflop ranges and learn them.

Using the gto wizard 25nl 6max positional opens charts and and bb vs sb open but that’s all I’ve been able to commit to memory so far. I don’t think I’m straying from suggested opens far unless I’m missing something.


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Which ones are those? Don't think GTO Wizard has any 25nl charts?

*nl50 mb. Closest thing available.


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Been turning things around some last few sessions with the only big alteration being folding way more spots where regs are just not semibluffing and/or bluffing enough that I was prev calling. Feels weak but results up trending. Also been avoiding some thin value river spots vs some of the regs I am becoming more familiar with.


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ok I been complaining that I haven't had a genuine 'run good' session since the start of challenge; yesterday I ran stupidly good in some spots.

here are some hands that prove I have mastered the game of poker and have nothing left to learn:

H1)
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
SB ($25) [VPIP: 23.7% | PFR: 10.5% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 41]
BB ($59.48) [VPIP: 28.3% | PFR: 22.2% | AGG: 32.9% | Hands: 440]
UTG ($26.20) [VPIP: 22.1% | PFR: 19.4% | AGG: 35.5% | Flop Agg: 40.7% | Turn Agg: 33% | River Agg: 27.9% | 3-Bet: 6.3% | 4-Bet: 4.7% | Hands: 1090]
HJ ($24.94) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 15.1% | AGG: 25.6% | Hands: 193]
HERO ($29.35) [VPIP: 29.7% | PFR: 20.7% | AGG: 32.8% | Flop Agg: 29.7% | Turn Agg: 37.6% | River Agg: 33% | 3-Bet: 11.4% | Fold to 3-Bet: 49.1% | 4-Bet: 10.8% | Hands: 27103]
BTN ($29.93) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 10% | AGG: 60% | Hands: 20]

Dealt to Hero: K Q

UTG Raises To $0.55, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $1.83, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, UTG Calls $1.28

Hero SPR on Flop: [6.08 effective]
Flop ($4.01): 6 T K
UTG Checks, HERO Bets $2.60 (Rem. Stack: $24.92), UTG Calls $2.60 (Rem. Stack: $21.77)

Turn ($9.21): 6 T K A
UTG Checks, HERO Bets $4.60 (Rem. Stack: $20.32), UTG Calls $4.60 (Rem. Stack: $17.17)

River ($18.41): 6 T K A 5
UTG Checks, HERO Bets $20.32 (allin), UTG Calls $17.17 (allin)



H2)to be fair I'm rock bottom of my pre fourbetting here vs this particular players stats so hes generally going to be in horrible shape flatting it.
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BB ($21.91) [VPIP: 22.4% | PFR: 14% | AGG: 32.6% | Hands: 315]
HERO ($26.67) [VPIP: 29.7% | PFR: 20.7% | AGG: 32.8% | Flop Agg: 29.7% | Turn Agg: 37.6% | River Agg: 33% | 3-Bet: 11.4% | 4-Bet: 10.8% | Fold to 4-Bet: 49.4% | Hands: 27103]
SB ($25.72) [VPIP: 19.8% | PFR: 16.8% | AGG: 32% | Flop Agg: 37.8% | Turn Agg: 30.4% | River Agg: 20% | 3-Bet: 8.9% | Fold to 3-Bet: 100% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 207]

Dealt to Hero: J A

HERO Raises To $0.85, SB Raises To $3.25, BB Folds, HERO Raises To $8.31, SB Calls $5.06

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.03 effective]
Flop ($16.87): 9 8 Q
SB Checks, HERO Bets $18.36 (allin), SB Calls $17.41 (allin)

Turn ($52.64): 9 8 Q 7

River ($52.64): 9 8 Q 7 J



H3) I generally have 0 SB flat anymore but BB here a loose passive station and I wanted him in hand if I'm playing it (he did fold pre but completes it nearly always). anyways I turn hand into bluff on turn bc good blockers and then I call an unexpected raise that I'm just supposed to fold to. In retrospect I should def just be flatting his turn to realize equity and then bluffing a lot of rivers if x to.
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
CO ($25) [VPIP: 24.1% | PFR: 16.9% | AGG: 27.3% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 28.6% | River Agg: 16.7% | 3-Bet: 2.8% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 89]
BTN ($40.82) [VPIP: 16.4% | PFR: 13.9% | AGG: 39.6% | Hands: 244]
HERO ($27.52) [VPIP: 29.7% | PFR: 20.7% | AGG: 32.8% | Flop Agg: 29.7% | Turn Agg: 37.6% | River Agg: 33% | 3-Bet: 11.4% | 4-Bet: 10.8% | Cold Call: 18.9% | Hands: 27103]
BB ($28.82) [VPIP: 32.9% | PFR: 28.2% | AGG: 40.7% | Hands: 87]
UTG ($25.35) [VPIP: 23.6% | PFR: 14.4% | AGG: 39.3% | Hands: 925]
HJ ($40.18) [VPIP: 13.8% | PFR: 10.3% | AGG: 17.6% | Hands: 91]

Dealt to Hero: A 8

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.60, BTN Folds, HERO Calls $0.50, BB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [16.83 effective]
Flop ($1.45): 6 Q 5
HERO Checks, CO Bets $0.72 (Rem. Stack: $23.68), HERO Calls $0.72 (Rem. Stack: $26.20)

Turn ($2.89): 6 Q 5 4
HERO Checks, CO Bets $1.44 (Rem. Stack: $22.24), HERO Raises To $4.62 (Rem. Stack: $21.58), CO Raises To $12 (Rem. Stack: $11.68), HERO Calls $7.38 (Rem. Stack: $14.20)

River ($26.89): 6 Q 5 4 9
HERO Bets $14.20 (allin), CO Calls $11.68 (allin)

Breaking down some areas I’m losing the most $. From a position standpoint it’s obviously bb but I’m certain I’m losing an unacceptable amount from bb. This week a big focus will be cleaning up bb play, mostly meaning more threebetting cutoff and button opens with playable hands I’ve been flatting with in these spots that I’m sure play better as a raise, folding more from bb, and winning a higher % blind vs blind out of bb. Going to be posting only hands played/misplayed out of bb for the next 4 sessions.


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Consistently winning sessions now for small $ while running at about 1/3-1/2 my all in EV also pretty consistently. Also a few cooler spots been having to overcome but that’s w/e. Gaining confidence that I am breaking even at nl25 now and with more work should start convincingly beating it.

I will catch up on EV I am sure (preferably sooner than later) and think trend lines will keep heading ^. Hopefully by 40k hand mark will able to add a 5th table (by perimeters I set). I found out I had a few hundred in rakeback from this endeavor that I didn’t even know I was getting bc I assumed deposit bonus has to clear first so that’s a good surprise. When deposit bonus is cleared I will start splitting either time or tables between an additional site and will compare stats from that as well.

Will post some hands from BB I struggled with from session as well as a pretty insane hand that merits posting.


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Also found today that just trying to be more conscientious of BB play is not enough to help correct my losses there I am going to have to iron out some specific changes that need to be made as well. I am monitoring by -bb/100 from this position with the aim of improving it weekly.


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BB defense is a very interesting topic - it typically gets worse before it gets better. Take it slow.

What I mean is that, when people with ~4% BB 3bets all of a sudden implement the GTO ranges, which has them 3 betting hands like JTo, 64s, K4s against all positions in the tree. Then once you get called, you are probably making a lot of mistakes postflop because you are unfamiliar with playing such a wide range. So once you do make these implementations, make sure to review hands from the BB that you 3bet, and make sure you are understanding of how wide your range is.

Thx will do. I am going to get gtowiz charts for bb facing cu and bttn open and start from there but it is a lot to memorize when u start adding variables. Right now I’ve been just defaulting to lighter !3s out of bb w/hands I would have been flatting and am optimistic about that h/e as you mentioned it creates more uncomfortable oop postflop spots.

ok here are 3 hands played from bb today

H1) here is a hand i did not !3 and I think I played it poorly. when I arrive at river K high I think my line looks strong and out of bb I have more boats, tp, 2p (obvs this means less with river pairing), arguably strs, and can have flushes. I don't like that I have Kh bc I feel he takes this line with Ah and Kh broadway combos so thats a lot less here. I lead out pot and I think this works vs a decent amount of hands beating me however his op is a more comfortable call w/the bottom pairing river and he also double blocks my potential strs so makes it a much easier call for him.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
CO ($25) [VPIP: 19.8% | PFR: 15.9% | AGG: 25.3% | Flop Agg: 30.2% | Turn Agg: 22.2% | River Agg: 17.6% | 3-Bet: 7.1% | 4-Bet: 15.4% | Hands: 348]
BTN ($25.25) [VPIP: 22.2% | PFR: 17.5% | AGG: 31.8% | Hands: 631]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 23.4% | PFR: 18.7% | AGG: 43.4% | Hands: 179]
HERO ($53.41) [VPIP: 29.5% | PFR: 20.6% | AGG: 32.6% | Flop Agg: 29.4% | Turn Agg: 37.4% | River Agg: 32.9% | 3-Bet: 11.4% | 4-Bet: 10.6% | Cold Call: 18.5% | Hands: 28977]
HJ ($45.41) [VPIP: 25.2% | PFR: 16.1% | AGG: 35.9% | Hands: 710]

Dealt to Hero: J K

HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.70, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.45

Hero SPR on Flop: [16.2 effective]
Flop ($1.50): T 5 9
HERO Checks, CO Bets $1.11 (Rem. Stack: $23.19), HERO Calls $1.11 (Rem. Stack: $51.60)

Turn ($3.72): T 5 9 8
HERO Checks, CO Bets $2.27 (Rem. Stack: $20.92), HERO Calls $2.27 (Rem. Stack: $49.33)

River ($8.26): T 5 9 8 5
HERO Bets $8.26 (Rem. Stack: $41.07), CO Calls $8.26 (Rem. Stack: $12.66)



H2) a weird bvb where sb limps and I just x pre. I think this plays pretty standard until river where I'm just too strong not to go for additional value vs this player who is pretty laggy and can also be sticky. him not rr river its insane to me although I am snap folding anyways if he does.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($14.27) [VPIP: 25.4% | PFR: 0.7% | AGG: 13.3% | Hands: 142]
SB ($41.96) [VPIP: 24.8% | PFR: 17.7% | AGG: 29.3% | Flop Agg: 34.6% | Turn Agg: 27% | River Agg: 20.3% | 3-Bet: 7.1% | 4-Bet: 17.4% | Hands: 1012]
HERO ($38.36) [VPIP: 29.5% | PFR: 20.6% | AGG: 32.6% | Flop Agg: 29.4% | Turn Agg: 37.4% | River Agg: 32.9% | 3-Bet: 11.4% | 4-Bet: 10.6% | Hands: 28977]
CO ($17.32) [VPIP: 43.2% | PFR: 10.8% | AGG: 32.3% | Hands: 40]

Dealt to Hero: 7 5

CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Calls $0.15, HERO Checks

Hero SPR on Flop: [76.22 effective]
Flop ($0.50): 5 6 4
SB Bets $0.50 (Rem. Stack: $41.21), HERO Calls $0.50 (Rem. Stack: $37.61)

Turn ($1.50): 5 6 4 3
SB Bets $1.12 (Rem. Stack: $40.09), HERO Calls $1.12 (Rem. Stack: $36.49)

River ($3.74): 5 6 4 3 K
SB Bets $2.60 (Rem. Stack: $37.49), HERO Raises To $6 (Rem. Stack: $30.49), SB Calls $3.40 (Rem. Stack: $34.09)



H3) I think I kind of spazzed on this turn bc I'm not doing this with op and he has all the sets that I should not. Idk how I should have played this turn.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HJ ($24.65) [VPIP: 29.4% | PFR: 16.2% | AGG: 40% | Hands: 69]
CO ($25) [VPIP: 19.8% | PFR: 15.9% | AGG: 25.3% | Hands: 348]
BTN ($25) [VPIP: 19.9% | PFR: 15.9% | AGG: 38.2% | Hands: 281]
SB ($50.16) [VPIP: 24.1% | PFR: 18.9% | AGG: 26.1% | Flop Agg: 24.2% | Turn Agg: 28.6% | 3-Bet: 7.9% | 4-Bet: 8.3% | Hands: 455]
HERO ($29.95) [VPIP: 29.5% | PFR: 20.6% | AGG: 32.6% | Flop Agg: 29.4% | Turn Agg: 37.4% | 3-Bet: 11.4% | Fold to 3-Bet: 49% | 4-Bet: 10.6% | Hands: 28977]
UTG ($30.17) [VPIP: 28.7% | PFR: 23.1% | AGG: 31.9% | Hands: 111]

Dealt to Hero: A Q

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $0.75, HERO Raises To $2.25, SB Calls $1.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [6.16 effective]
Flop ($4.50): 4 3 9
SB Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($4.50): 4 3 9 6
SB Bets $2.48 (Rem. Stack: $45.43), HERO Raises To $27.70 (allin), SB Folds

and 2 must post brain melters from session.

H4) WTF?

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($27.06) [VPIP: 29.5% | PFR: 20.6% | AGG: 32.6% | Flop Agg: 29.4% | Turn Agg: 37.4% | River Agg: 32.9% | 3-Bet: 11.4% | Fold to 3-Bet: 49% | 4-Bet: 10.6% | Hands: 28977]
BB ($25.25) [VPIP: 30.4% | PFR: 23.2% | AGG: 19.3% | Hands: 285]
BTN ($27.87) [VPIP: 47.1% | PFR: 35.3% | AGG: 31% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 22.2% | River Agg: 12.5% | 3-Bet: 10% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 39]

Dealt to Hero: K A

BTN Raises To $0.70, HERO Raises To $3.05, BB Folds, BTN Calls $2.35

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.78 effective]
Flop ($6.35): 4 2 8
HERO Bets $3.17 (Rem. Stack: $20.84), BTN Calls $3.17 (Rem. Stack: $21.65)

Turn ($12.69): 4 2 8 4
HERO Bets $20.84 (allin), BTN Calls $20.84 (Rem. Stack: $0.81)

River ($54.37): 4 2 8 4 3



H5) WoW...sickest beat I've taken in awhile. was happy didnt effect my session at all just had to take a min to process how unusual hand was then laughed it off and played on. just glad V wasnt deeper bc I was 300b deep.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
UTG ($12.93) [VPIP: 25.4% | PFR: 0.7% | AGG: 13.3% | Hands: 142]
HJ ($25) [VPIP: 24.8% | PFR: 17.7% | AGG: 29.3% | Hands: 1012]
HERO ($72.45) [VPIP: 29.5% | PFR: 20.6% | AGG: 32.6% | Flop Agg: 29.4% | Turn Agg: 37.4% | River Agg: 32.9% | 3-Bet: 11.4% | 4-Bet: 10.6% | Hands: 28977]
BTN ($29.59) [VPIP: 14.4% | PFR: 10.1% | AGG: 22.3% | Hands: 1837]
SB ($38.54) [VPIP: 27.2% | PFR: 14.9% | AGG: 30.9% | Hands: 117]
BB ($25) [VPIP: 19.3% | PFR: 15.7% | AGG: 28.8% | Flop Agg: 29.2% | Turn Agg: 28.7% | River Agg: 28% | 3-Bet: 5.9% | 4-Bet: 16% | Cold Call: 8.3% | Hands: 2250]

Dealt to Hero: A A

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.70, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.45

Hero SPR on Flop: [16.2 effective]
Flop ($1.50): 2 9 9
BB Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($1.50): 2 9 9 A
BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.75 (Rem. Stack: $71), BB Calls $0.75 (Rem. Stack: $23.55)

River ($3): 2 9 9 A 2
BB Checks, HERO Bets $71 (allin), BB Calls $23.55 (allin)

For the sake of brevity l'll just say you're playing too fancy post flop. And thats the nice way of putting it. Donking the river for pot with KJo makes no sense. Checking AA on 992 is a mistake. The turn shove with AK looks like you closed your eyes and prayed for a fold. Try to keep it simple. As for the BB hands I think you played them fine preflop. Can probably raise 75s against the limp but checking is fine too.

I do try to post some of the ugliest out of 1-2k hands/session. Yeah I was lost on the KJ hand bc I felt like I just x-lose to A high and all pairs there. Maybe I should have played the turn differently? I did think the x on 992 is fine though on the AA? (He can only call with his pps and I probably only get 2 streets value?). AK hand was just a I have QQ-AA fold spazz but was clearly bad bc he was obviously never folding anything.

The AA flop check is fine but I agree with the rest.

Ah dam looks like I need some advice on open sizing. For several reasons I have been opening 3.4x Utg, 3.2x utg+1, 2.8x hj-button, and 3x sb into bb. I thought this would help negate positional disadvantage but now some winning players are suggesting I should be doing the opposite and opening as little as 2x utg-lj and maybe 2.5x hj-cu, and 3x button.

Does that sound reasonable or should I maybe just be opening a consistent sizing (2.5x?) from all positions at these stakes???

It's definetely for right direction. But I don't like min.raise in heavily raked games and I think using 3X @ button is a bit an overkill. If you want to vary your opening sizes I suggest to have them somewhere between 2,2x-2,7x from UTG to BU.

Thx I will implement something like this going forward unless I here convincing argument for flat open size all positions.

Personally I would use 2.5x from all positions. Or 2.2x from UTG & HJ and 2.5x from CO & BTN.

I used to think opening sizes matter but they really don't that much. There are guys that open 2x at high stakes and a few guys who open 3x. You don't normally see that type of discrepancy in strategy, especially at high stakes. Honestly, it might even be worth looking at unconventional open sizes at small stakes, like pot size or 4x from the BTN/SB assuming people will probably play bad against it.

This is roughly what I have in mind. I guess I keep 3x from sb bc don’t want to encourage lighter flats and !3s than necessary for the moment.