I am a live player primarily but have had profitable success online at high volume long ago (like 15 years+ ago) beating up to nl200 6max, high volume sng 6 and 9s, and hu turbos+super turbos+hyper turbos as high as 500 and the rare 1k at one point. Things have changed a good deal and I have made no attempts to this point to seriously keep up or catch up with anything.

You can learn more about me in other forum threads but anyhow I have just rekindled an interest in playing online again for a number of reasons I will list later and this thread will be the specific challenge of going from what is currently beyond any doubt losing nl25 6max by a decent margin (see included stats) to beating nl50 6max at 6+ bb/100 over sig sample size.

I am giving myself 6 months to complete the challenge and am willing to dedicate a large amount of time and energy to doing so. This may or may not be more time than necessary but I am expecting this to be a work intensive endeavor.

I will update the progress weekly in this thread and I will try to post 2-3 hand histories each day after sessions. I am hoping some experienced players in the current environment might be willing to provide me some feedback and suggestions if they come across thread.

I have gone ahead and put in 8 days and just over 10k hands at primarily nl25 6max to have a clear picture of where I am starting from. I am playing on ACR at the moment but will be expanding into other sites as well over the duration.

Here are the current statistics. I am also including some of my current HUD stats which I am aware are poor and some of the higher volume regs are actually starting to situationally exploit. I have a pretty good idea of where to start making changes but if anyone spots any specific tendencies or potential quick alterations pls mention in thread or message me thx! I am using driveHUD at the moment bc free trial/ease, lmk if anyone wants a specific HUD stat that you feel may be impactful.

I’d just start by lowering your VPIP/PFR/3! all by a few %.
Maybe try mixing some of the weaker combos that you’re probably pure 3!ing right now.
Seems like you’re just too wide preflop tbh.
Your WTSD is too low as well, which is likely a result of your range being too weak to hold up against too much aggression postflop. Your WTSD should be closer to 28-29% and that’ll probably get higher just by being a bit more snug preflop.
W$SD should go up as a result as well, which will help you for obvious reasons.

Thx I am for sure too wide pre even if a lot of that is coming in the form of opens and 3s. I’ve been 3betting some % of bad suited kings as well as some 2-3 gap suites ie J7, 7T in position that seem like likely candidates to trim back.

I have been struggling with small and big blind play in general, at first I was flatting too wide to late position opens, now I am probably 3 betting too wide. I am testing different sizing for sb vs bb open bc I feel like I need to be on the smaller end of 2.25-2.5x to open as wide as I’d like from sb into bb but my small sizing in this position seems to be inducing a lot of light threebet from many bbs when my preferred intent is to just pick up most of the hands pre. Some adjustment will be needed.


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With a gap of 11 between Vpip and pfr I'd say your flatting to wide.

Are you calling hands in MP and CO vs UTG opens? For example your lower pocket pairs and AQo, KQo etc?

Been flatting pps 22-88 in these spots and generally 3betting 99+ unless open is particularly tight. 3betting AQo/KQo very high % again unless open is uber tight.

*I had assumed this was reasonable still in 6max but a lot of the regs are very nitty stats so I’m open to dropping lower pp limps and some %of the KQ !3s to ep opens if I’m likely to be consistently losing $ in these spots.


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Ya, definitely cut those J7/T7/bad suited Kx 3! stuff out. That’s def bleeding you $.

Same with your sb vs bb strat. Especially once you start playing nl50 that strat won’t fly imo. It’s not great for a few reasons:

A) you’re offering an easy price for bb to continue with a wide range profitably IP.
B) postflop rake is going to kill you.
C) you’re going to get 3! often against your weak range and have to either fold a ton or play **** spots OOP all the time.

I’d say just go with a standard strat of opening 3x or folding in sb. Sb vs bb is the hardest part of 6-max and there’s no need to make it even more complicated/difficult. I think your current sb strat won’t perform well longterm honestly.

J.E.C also makes a good point/observation. Can’t really flat very wide as postflop rake is going to kill you again, and again, at 50nl+ decent regs are going to squeeze behind you a ton and make life miserable.
I imagine you’re probably opening all the low PP’s from UTG and LJ and that’s something you could immediately cut out and it’ll help.
I’d also recommend not having a flatting range at all in any position outside of the button, and many coaches would say just have no flatting strat whatsoever. Even on the button. Again, the rake is just killer at these stakes and lends itself to a 3 bet or fold strat being generally better.

Thx for the specific advice. Yes I was opening a suggested range sb vs bb that was dated 3-4 years ago, I think bb light !3 has probably increased significantly. Yeah I have been opening a lot of lower pp utg-lj, that’s something I can quickly cut off. Thx!


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I would have a look at GTOWizard, they have free preflop solved ranges for 50nl. You are better off just trying to memorize those ranges. Having your main leak be preflop makes it a super easy fix though so that is good.

If those hands are from mainly 6 handed play you should be somewhere between 20-24 vpip, 18-22 pfr, 9-12% 3bet.

Gl mate

In. Also post some hands using the HH converter. All the advice so far is very good. Basically tighten tf up preflop. Definitely check out GTOwizard. You can see for yourself what a proper recommended GTO strategy is for opening and 3betting preflop by position.

Will do, does the converter work with DriveHUD though or only manager?


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I see ppl post from drivehud all the time.

Made some extreme preflop alterations today. Actually statistically looking like an over correction but I’m gonna stay in this zone pre for this next 10k hands and then maybe start adding back in. Ran pretty even today. Unfortunately I went merge jam w/strong value in a few spots and turned some hands into bluff jams w/blockers and/or equity and in both situations ran into monster hands that seemed the least probable parts of their range. I’ll try to select a few of that theme if I can get the hh converter to work if not will type them out (bleh) later tonight. I recall two hands I was oop w/open ended flush draw type hands that I bet-bet-surrendered on brick outs that may have played better bet bet jam or even bet-jam turns.


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Found converter will post 3 hands tomorrow morning from today’s session. Day off tomorrow since I’ve been playing a lot both live and online but I’ll be using a few hours to review the gtowizard charts for opens and some facing common action spots pre. I’m a averaging about 10k hands a week right now which seems like an acceptable pace to work on things. I feel like I have to keep it to 4 tabling to stay strict on the changes I’m making and work on hud decisions in action. Plan is to add 1 table every 10k profitable nl25 hands but only if I’m happy with direction of w/r.

Keep an eye out for the hhs tomorrow just need to get on desktop. I think people will find these entertainingly atypical. They are all losing hands that I concluded at least at the time that jam leads were optimal.


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You don't need a converter to post hands w/ Drivehud fyi. Just right click on a hand, export and select 2+2 as the format. And if you're just using Drivehud, I'd suggest starting w/ Drivehud 2 since it will be the main product here soon going forward, and it's a free trial as well. You can download it from here:
https://drivehud.com/introducing-all...-hud-database/

GL!

thx I just found tht, Ill check out DU2 as well.

3 Jam fail hands from previous session: I realize these are uglyish, I will try to explain thought process.

HAND 1) I have some history with this V that led me towards turn decision rather than fold. Otr I was torn between check-calling and letting him blast his bluff range and open jamming. I felt that he had more Ax turned bluff on turn blocking my AA and knowing I rarely have any Jx here so thought a river jam looks chop blocky on the Q river. Also I don't get to river with any bluffs and I'm going to want to jam my AA, JJ, AJ, J8, 88 otr as played. Looking back I think maybe betting quarter pot otr achieves some value while still inducing his air and even inducing him to maybe try to chop block a weaker Ax.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BB ($25.35) [VPIP: 19.3% | PFR: 12.1% | AGG: 28.3% | Hands: 416]
UTG ($29.78) [VPIP: 26.5% | PFR: 15.1% | AGG: 33.1% | Flop Agg: 24.7% | Turn Agg: 43.9% | River Agg: 35.1% | 3-Bet: 9.4% | 4-Bet: 14.3% | Hands: 369]
HJ ($25.98) [VPIP: 26.9% | PFR: 19.7% | AGG: 30.8% | Hands: 929]
CO ($32.85) [VPIP: 19.3% | PFR: 14.2% | AGG: 34.7% | Flop Agg: 53.8% | Turn Agg: 14.3% | River Agg: 11.1% | 3-Bet: 3.3% | 4-Bet: 28.6% | Cold Call: 10.2% | Hands: 224]
BTN ($77.52) [VPIP: 27% | PFR: 17.1% | AGG: 22.8% | Hands: 220]
HERO ($60.42) [VPIP: 32.4% | PFR: 21.5% | AGG: 37.3% | Flop Agg: 34.8% | Turn Agg: 41.6% | River Agg: 36.9% | 3-Bet: 11.9% | Fold to 3-Bet: 49.1% | 4-Bet: 9% | Hands: 12730]

Dealt to Hero: A K

UTG Raises To $0.60, HJ Folds, CO Calls $0.60, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $2.85, BB Folds, UTG Calls $2.25, CO Calls $2.25

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.06 effective]
Flop ($8.80): J J A
HERO Checks, UTG Checks, CO Checks

Turn ($8.80): J J A 8
HERO Bets $2.20 (Rem. Stack: $55.37), UTG Raises To $7 (Rem. Stack: $19.93), CO Folds, HERO Calls $4.80 (Rem. Stack: $50.57)

River ($22.80): J J A 8 Q
HERO Bets $50.57 (allin), UTG Calls $19.93 (allin)



HAND 2) Again a reg I have some history with, was an unusual/bad open for me pre and that led into a speculative position call. As hand played out I expected him to have a lot of JJ-QQ though I have seen him play AQs this way. Ott when I pick up equity I am turning my hand into a bluff jam trying to fold out his non AA/KK range.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HJ ($26.17) [VPIP: 19.3% | PFR: 12.1% | AGG: 28.3% | Hands: 416]
CO ($53.22) [VPIP: 26.5% | PFR: 15.1% | AGG: 33.1% | Hands: 369]
BTN ($38.04) [VPIP: 26.9% | PFR: 19.7% | AGG: 30.8% | Hands: 929]
SB ($33.82) [VPIP: 21.8% | PFR: 16.9% | AGG: 29.5% | Flop Agg: 33.2% | Turn Agg: 29.3% | River Agg: 21% | 3-Bet: 6.3% | 4-Bet: 14.3% | Cold Call: 11.1% | Hands: 1734]
BB ($28.36) [VPIP: 21.3% | PFR: 17.7% | AGG: 35.6% | Flop Agg: 43.8% | Turn Agg: 28.2% | River Agg: 25.8% | 3-Bet: 8.5% | Fold to 3-Bet: 54.3% | 4-Bet: 11.4% | Hands: 1362]
HERO ($46.36) [VPIP: 32.4% | PFR: 21.5% | AGG: 37.3% | Flop Agg: 34.8% | Turn Agg: 41.6% | River Agg: 36.9% | 3-Bet: 11.9% | 4-Bet: 9% | Hands: 12730]

Dealt to Hero: 8 T

HERO Raises To $0.85, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Calls $0.75, BB Raises To $3.50, HERO Calls $2.65, SB Calls $2.65

Hero SPR on Flop: [2.37 effective]
Flop ($10.50): K 8 7
SB Checks, BB Checks, HERO Bets $5.25 (Rem. Stack: $37.61), SB Folds, BB Calls $5.25 (Rem. Stack: $19.61)

Turn ($21): K 8 7 9
BB Checks, HERO Bets $21 (Rem. Stack: $16.61), BB Calls $19.61 (allin)

River ($61.61): K 8 7 9 3

Players agreed to run it 2 times.

Flop #2($61.61): K 8 7

Turn #2($61.61): K 8 7 9

River #2($61.61): K 8 7 9 5




HAND 3) Once again another reg I've developed a dynamic with. He opens lighter than most of the other regs and so I have been !3 him lighter pre, I sized too small and would have like to raised to $2.25/$2.50. As this hand plays out I think he has a lot of small one pair pp holdings w/ and w/out gutters as well as just overs he has floated flop with. I think my turn sizing was crap also and I should have bet 1/3-1/2 pot. As played I thought my turn bet could look like picked up hearts equity so when flush came in w/over otr I wanted to turn hand into bluff and jam him off hand.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
UTG ($34.47) [VPIP: 22% | PFR: 17.1% | AGG: 23.1% | Hands: 44]
HJ ($26.96) [VPIP: 24.7% | PFR: 17.7% | AGG: 39.2% | Flop Agg: 39.8% | Turn Agg: 40.3% | River Agg: 36% | 3-Bet: 6.8% | 4-Bet: 11.4% | Hands: 1455]
CO ($48.92) [VPIP: 21.8% | PFR: 16.9% | AGG: 29.5% | Hands: 1734]
BTN ($25) [VPIP: 18.8% | PFR: 15.3% | AGG: 25.9% | Hands: 885]
HERO ($59.39) [VPIP: 32.4% | PFR: 21.5% | AGG: 37.3% | Flop Agg: 34.8% | Turn Agg: 41.6% | River Agg: 36.9% | 3-Bet: 11.9% | Fold to 3-Bet: 49.1% | 4-Bet: 9% | Hands: 12730]
BB ($33.71) [VPIP: 26.9% | PFR: 19.7% | AGG: 30.8% | Hands: 929]

Dealt to Hero: K T

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.75, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $1.82, BB Folds, HJ Calls $1.07

Hero SPR on Flop: [6.46 effective]
Flop ($3.89): 9 3 6
HERO Bets $2.04 (Rem. Stack: $55.53), HJ Calls $2.04 (Rem. Stack: $23.10)

Turn ($7.97): 9 3 6 T
HERO Bets $7.97 (Rem. Stack: $47.56), HJ Calls $7.97 (Rem. Stack: $15.13)

River ($23.91): 9 3 6 T Q
HERO Bets $47.56 (allin), HJ Calls $15.13 (allin)

I'm generally going to be posting hands from my sessions that fit in the categories of biggest losing hands, hands I felt unsure on/odd spots, and hands I felt I played poorly. Don't see much merit in doing otherwise.

Phewww. A lot to digest here. A few things to work on right away would be your bet sizing. Generally you want to 3x IP and 4x OOP. When squeezing from OOP you want to add a few BBs so in H1 you want to sqz to 14-15x against 2.5x open and 15-17x vs 3x. Also in H3 you 3b really small. Standard raise vs 3x would be to 12x from OOP and to 9x when IP. Another mistake is running crazy bluffs in multi way pots. You generally want to play pretty close to the vest and only bluff when players show extreme weakness over multiple streets. Ok, with that out the way I'll go through the hands.

H1: Sqz is good but as mentioned you want to use a bigger sizing. Flop is tricky texture but we probably just want to bet small on all Ahi flops but checking is okay too. Turn looks fine. River is just a pure punt to put it bluntly. You mentioned all the hands you could rep but fail to realize that villain has all those hands as well. I haven't checked results but I'm expecting to see Jx or 88 a lot. Unfortunately we have to XF river a lot but sometimes they check behind and we win.

H2: So the open is a bit loose and if you open this wide it should be because you have massive fish in the blinds in this case they both look like regs but no big deal but calling the 3b with another player left to act is another punt. Just fold. This hand is a 100% fold vs a 3b HU and a pretty big mistake MW. Flop is okay I would just use a smaller sizing here like 1/3. After BB calls we just want to get to SD here and turn gives us more equity which is nice so best to realize that equity and see a free river. I'm guessing BB has AK, KK or AA maybe even QQ.

H3: 3b is good but again use bigger sizing around 11-12x so ~$3. Flop looks fine to me. OTT our hand is just medium SDV so we just want to get to SD as cheap as possible so betting pot is not the ideal size. I'd probably go for a block bet OTT and OTR or X turn looking to XC vs most sizings. River, I don't hate it but I think it works better if you bet turn small and then you are able to overbet shove and pool overfolds to this sizing. AP after calling huge turn bet he is never folding now with and SPR <1.

Conclusion: work on bet sizing both preflop and post, play tighter preflop with opens and defending vs 3b, and learn about capped and uncapped ranges. In all these hands villains are uncapped and generally we can jam a lot against capped ranges but not vs uncapped ranges, as a bluff at least.

+1 pretty much my thoughts exactly. I'd only add that no one is turning Ax into a bluff ott in H1.

Wouldn’t it be a good spot for V to turn like A5s into bluff blocking AA? It should be unlikely to be good here given action but V hypothetically has Jx hands that hero should not and can fold out better Ax ott or jam some rivers if checked to.

Otherwise agree with all these things, will work these sizing suggestions into effect this week.


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The only way villain has A5s here is if they convinced themselves to call pre because of your tiny squeeze sizing. But it's still way too high up in their range ott to turn into a bluff.

Solid session today set a lot of confines for myself and only strayed out of them maybe a dozen or so times over 1200-1300 hands. I have memorized the gtowizard charts for all opening positions as well as the bb facing sb open. I am using the sb vs button open and bb vs open charts as quick reference as they are a lot to memorize. Didn’t butcher many spots today so will probably just post the 3 most exciting hands from session tomorrow (am off) still open to advice on lines. Will get back to the uglier hands on Fri session if I don’t play live that day.


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so just three sort of wild hands from last session, no preface needed other than that I always have run twice checked bc learning is expensive so any lower variance should be a good thing for me:

HAND 1)
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($25.25) [VPIP: 31.5% | PFR: 21.2% | AGG: 36.8% | Hands: 14107]
CO ($28.18) [VPIP: 24.4% | PFR: 17.1% | AGG: 15.6% | Hands: 123]
BTN ($68.41) [VPIP: 30.8% | PFR: 26.2% | AGG: 64.5% | Hands: 113]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 20.9% | PFR: 17% | AGG: 32% | Hands: 192]
BB ($40.80) [VPIP: 26.4% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 41.8% | Hands: 163]

Dealt to Hero: A A

HERO Raises To $0.70, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $2.15, SB Folds, BB Folds, HERO Raises To $5.83, BTN Raises To $68.41 (allin), HERO Calls $19.42 (allin)

Flop ($94.01): 2 J 2

Turn ($94.01): 2 J 2 K

River ($94.01): 2 J 2 K 8

Players agreed to run it 2 times.

Flop #2($94.01): 3 5 K

Turn #2($94.01): 3 5 K 7

River #2($94.01): 3 5 K 7 7




HAND 2)
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($42.80) [VPIP: 22.8% | PFR: 17.5% | AGG: 31.3% | Hands: 658]
SB ($25.90) [VPIP: 18.3% | PFR: 14.7% | AGG: 24.9% | Hands: 1066]
HERO ($27.68) [VPIP: 31.5% | PFR: 21.2% | AGG: 36.8% | Flop Agg: 34.2% | Turn Agg: 41.2% | River Agg: 36.5% | 3-Bet: 11.8% | 4-Bet: 9.2% | Cold Call: 20.7% | Hands: 14107]
HJ ($57.76) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 27.5% | AGG: 18.2% | Flop Agg: 21.1% | Turn Agg: 13.3% | River Agg: 20% | 3-Bet: 14.5% | 4-Bet: 20% | Hands: 158]
CO ($25.69) [VPIP: 16.8% | PFR: 11.7% | AGG: 26.1% | Flop Agg: 23.4% | Turn Agg: 27.6% | River Agg: 30.4% | 3-Bet: 6.2% | 4-Bet: 5.6% | Cold Call: 11.8% | Hands: 889]

Dealt to Hero: 6 7

HJ Raises To $0.80, CO Calls $0.80, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.55

Hero SPR on Flop: [9.96 effective]
Flop ($2.50): 8 8 9
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $2 (Rem. Stack: $54.96), CO Folds, HERO Raises To $5 (Rem. Stack: $21.88), HJ Calls $3 (Rem. Stack: $51.96)

Turn ($12.50): 8 8 9 5
HERO Bets $3.12 (Rem. Stack: $18.76), HJ Calls $3.12 (Rem. Stack: $48.84)

River ($18.74): 8 8 9 5 8
HERO Bets $18.76 (allin), HJ Calls $18.76 (Rem. Stack: $30.08)



HAND 3)
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($28.73) [VPIP: 31.5% | PFR: 21.2% | AGG: 36.8% | Flop Agg: 34.2% | Turn Agg: 41.2% | River Agg: 36.5% | 3-Bet: 11.8% | Fold to 3-Bet: 49.2% | 4-Bet: 9.2% | Hands: 14107]
BB ($26.13) [VPIP: 22.9% | PFR: 19% | AGG: 34.3% | Flop Agg: 31.2% | Turn Agg: 41.6% | River Agg: 29.9% | 3-Bet: 11.1% | 4-Bet: 16.7% | Hands: 2131]
HJ ($25) [VPIP: 16.8% | PFR: 11.7% | AGG: 26.1% | Hands: 889]
CO ($24.53) [VPIP: 19.5% | PFR: 15.6% | AGG: 25.4% | Hands: 520]
BTN ($36.05) [VPIP: 22.2% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 27.4% | Flop Agg: 27.8% | Turn Agg: 29.5% | River Agg: 23.5% | 3-Bet: 9.3% | 4-Bet: 6.3% | Hands: 1725]

Dealt to Hero: J J

HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.62, HERO Raises To $2.41, BB Raises To $4.80, BTN Calls $4.18, HERO Calls $2.39

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.48 effective]
Flop ($14.40): J Q T
HERO Checks, BB Checks, BTN Bets $5 (Rem. Stack: $26.25), HERO Raises To $10 (Rem. Stack: $13.93), BB Folds, BTN Calls $5 (Rem. Stack: $21.25)

Turn ($34.40): J Q T 5
HERO Bets $13.93 (allin), BTN Calls $13.93 (Rem. Stack: $7.32)

River ($62.26): J Q T 5 3

Players agreed to run it 2 times.

Flop #2($62.26): J Q T

Turn #2($62.26): J Q T 5

River #2($62.26): J Q T 5 8

Hand 2 was a big surprise as it was only the second time I can recall being involved in that exact situation type. (Holding 2 card sf vs 3 on board qd) out of many millions of hands.


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Very nice dude! H1 is so brutal. H2 is so beautiful! And H3 is the cherry on top.

If I had to nitpick I would just xr a little bigger.