I could only play one session today.



Only one (pretty standard?) hand to mention. MP opener was a tight/passive fishy player. BB was a huge aggrodonk fish.

first TT hand i like both 3betting and flatting. villain's foldt3bet%. pfr%? as played i flat the flop, folding is out of question being IP vs. a passive player.
on this flop he's probably betting a big part of his range. ott if he checks we have options.

second TT hand. again when thinking of 3 betting we need to have an idea of villain's pfr range and his continuation range once he gets 3betted. i still think i'd 3bet/get it in vs. aggrodonk with these stacks. we're also oop.
as played i'd check/raise the flop.

AK hand really depends on your reads on MP. it's close... you said he's tight passive so i think TT is really the bottom of his shoving range, but 5 handed with dead money in the pot and having blockers i like your play.

He was 23/20, Fto3B: 1/3. I think flatting preflop is better given we have position. The flop was quite good for me but I folded. Don't know why...

Yes, I should have 3bet so that I can isolate the SS fish. I c/f OTF to his smallish cbet as I was afraid of the third player in the hand.

I thought MP wouldn't have opened for 5 BB w/ a monster hand. When he shoves I thought I'm priced to call as he wasn't full stacked either.

Appreciate your answers again!

Came across your thread as I'm looking to improve my red line too.
Didn't read all of it yet but will follow as I'm on the same quest at 25NL.
I'll keep you posted if I find some more relevant information...

So GL!

Yeah, prefer the 3-bet too.
As played instead of c/r'ing I'd rather donk the flop (close to pot) myself. So many draws and worse hands will call that I think donking is more profitable. You don't want them to checkback draws/weak pairs or air (overcards) that can catch up OTT. The pre-flop raiser seems very aggro but might not c-bet since it's 3 way and if he's that aggro he can easily be shoving worse (spazzing) over our donkbet...

Wow, if you gonna c/f TT on this flop to a smallish cbet, you might aswell fold preflop.
What was your plan playing this hand? Only setmining?

I 3bet both hands pre for value. Like played in hand 1, I call him down atleast 2 streets and if we know he is really aggro I probably call a third barrel also unless the board gets really messy.

Hand 2 , like played I call and let him barrel, I probably call him down atleast 2 streets but fold if the passive fish shows strenght. Not sure how profitable this is though, bc I usually 3 bet vs aggro's, it makes life a lot easier.


Op, why didnt you 3 bet pre?
Oh and gl at the tables.

Nh and well played. Pretty standard, even if he's passive we often are flipping vs jj qq 1010 ak, we have blockers to AA KK and everybody loves to 4 bet AA/KK and not shove over the 3 bet. A small % of the time he might have KK but we have the A to suck out.

Op, one other thing I noticed, your cbets for value are way to small, when you bet for big value you want to get the stacks in, so usually make it pot -1 bb or something lol. Smallish cbets are good when you miss, not when you want to get value from fish. Only time its ok to bet small if you think villain might blufraise you. For this reason 1/3- 1/2 pot bets work very well.

TT hand, depends on villain, will you get more value from 3betting/playing a 3bet pot with them or by flatting IP/set mining.

Imo i flat way more than 3bet here because if you 3bet and they call, there will almost never be a great flop for you unless you flop a set. Plus flatting gives more oppurtunity to let the blinds in, creating a multi way set mining situation where you have position.

I'm really not 100% on whether 3betting is better than flatting but i think at the micros, flatting is perfectly fine.

Thx, you're welcome! The TT hand you mentioned was an easy 3bet, I completely messed it up not 3betting.

In the following months I'm going to try to touch every aspects of this game (3bets, defending against 3bets, c/r'ing flops, defending against donk bets, floating, ...) which should result in a way better red line.

Thx. I'm not sure flatting in the first hand is a mistake but the second one is an easy 3bet.

I agree w/ your reasoning but I don't know which hand did I play badly?

Do you mean the first TT hand w/ a reggish player where I had position?!? Yes, as we discussed it a preflop call is better here.

I have just finished the 5th week of this challenge. Overall graph and some stats:



Stats:

• Volume: 18.242 hands // I couldn't play too much this week
• VP$IP/PFR: 23/19
• 3bet: 4.0 (this week: 6.2) // Oh, yes!!!
• Win-rate: 5.79 bb/100 (this week: 14.72 bb/100)
• Ww/oSD: -12.25 bb/100 (this week: -10.09 bb/100)

I have managed to find some good spots to 3bet light (it works very well OTB). Topic of the following week is still 3betting. After that I'm going to analyse and evaluate how to play against donk bets.

not sure i like donkbetting here. what are we doing if fish calls and CO raises? or if fish raises us? or if they both call and turn is a diamond or any 7-8-9-J-Q-K-A? on this board being the pot not so big i wouldn't go mad protectig our hand. tons of cards we don't want to see and folding otf vs. some action is totally fine here imo. also villain can play perfectly vs. a donkbet in this spot.
if we check we get to see what other players do and then evaluate our options
if we had a strong draw or a set i like the donkbet line. our relative position is good and we could trap fish's money in or induce a reraise as you said.
i'm not overkeen with the x/raise line multiway, but being oop we don't have so many good options here. surely not x/calling (reason why 3betting here is better imo)

Despite some coolers/bad beats I had a pretty successfull day.



In this hand villain was practically unknown. What do you think of my line?

i think on this board, with this SPR we have couple of options:

-check/fold which i like vs. unknown, especially a SS.
-pot flop/shove turn regardless of what card falls ott, trying to maximize FE.

with this stack sizes i think we should plan your hand otf. a bet/bet/ x/fold line is burning money (otr you realized that you have no more FE and just gave up) and probably a cbet/give up ott line too.

Do you mean c/f OTF? I don't c-bet much (around 60%) and I think it's a dry board although I know villain won't fold a PP or a strong A here.

That's a very good line, thx!

Very good points! Looking back on it OTF I knew I might have to barrel again but I didn't realize my bet sizes would run me into trouble OTR. I like your second line a lot!

You mind posting your vpip /pfr broken down by position? I'm curious as how these compare to my stats?

These have been my stats since I started this thread (almost 19k hands). Pretty strange I'm not losing from the BB but I'm doing from the CO. Hopefully it's just variance although I should perhaps consider tightening up a bit from the CO.

Steal%: 45.4 from the SB, 38.3 from the CO and 47.8 OTB.

about c/f otf it's pretty weak, but i was thinking about how to improve your red line. it's def better than 2barrelling and fold otr though.
the thing is that we put dead money in the pot if we play the hand like this, and it effects our red line a lot (we don't get to SD, but do bet 2 streets). i think this is can be one reason for your redline.

on this board people tend to peal more liberally so we often have to fire multiple barrells, but we also need to think about the size bets because once we get otr with no FE we hate life.

I like stealing tighter from the sb, villains like calling in the bb when its folded to the sb. I think it really sucks to play a pot oop with a weak hand, therefore I like opening tighter when its folded to me in the sb. Unless bb is a nit, then I open any two.

Very true as always, thx! I will definitely test your suggested line (c-bet more OTF and shove turn) in such cases.

It do sucks but it's still very profitable. I have filtered my stats (steal from the SB) and this is what I have got: WR 22 bb/100, WR w/o SD: 14 bb/100, so my red line goes up in these spots too (which obviously isn't a miracle).

On the other hand I'm currently losing from the CO (if I steal) which is quite surprising. I will have to review my CO play if it doesn't change in the following weeks.

Anyway, thx for your comments!

I have played two sessions today. The first one was good but the second one...



There were a lot of (not so) funny hands but what about this one? Villain was a huge passive fish (91/15, F2CB: 4/9).

One more hand from yesterday as the next topic to deal with will be the donk bets. Villain was a usual fish: 42/13 over 117 hands. 17% 3bet, 40% (4/10) donk bets. Do we fold or float OTF?

66 hands i probably bet/fold hald pot turn as well. villain's range is full of draws and small PPs. what is his WTSD%?

KK hand we can't really raise for value and we have SDV, but we can call down IP and revaluate later on i think. if we had something like KQ i like raising here. also getting to SD i think we're ahead a lot here, otherwise we know what villain's donkbet range is.

I did bet turn and he called. I checked back river and he showed T7. Obviously.

That's quite interesting. I (quickly) folded as I didn't want to call down him and to see A5 or something. The problem is I don't really know when to give up if he keeps firing.

Terrible session again.



In the first hand I think shoving is much better than just cold 4betting to let's say $2.60 or something. Both opponents were fishy.



In the second hand villain was quite unknown but seemed to be fishy. Can we call his raise as played?



In the third hand villain was a LAG (36/25). I c-bet a lot in 3bet pots but this may be a c/f OTF. I hate my turn double barrel (which I normally don't do w/ air) on this board even better. Such moves certainly doesn't help my red line



Leffe session tonight! Wish me luck!